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Ian David

(69,059 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:57 PM Feb 2012

Back to school - The coercive pressure of the Pledge and "Moment of Silence"

Back to school - The coercive pressure of the Pledge and "Moment of Silence"

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But that is where the dissimilarities ended. The first item on the agenda? The Pledge of Allegiance followed by a moment of silence. Everyone was told to stand until the moment of silence had ended. Now, back in elementary I had bought into Christianity and wasn't bothered by the Pledge - though, I don't think I really understood what it what it meant until at least middle school.

I know that they recite the Pledge every day in Patrick's class and I have told him countless times that he does not have to stand for it, and he does not have to recite it, and he says that he sits it out. However, today he stood. I was too far away to see if he actually recited it, and he's still in class now, so I can't ask... yet. His father and I remained seated during the Pledge and prayer moment of silence.

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Every child and adult in his school is protected by the constitution. A constitution that should protect him from a state sponsored religion. Coercing him into reciting something that states that this is a nation under God flagrantly violates those rights. By being neutral - by not stating the pledge, or by not having a prayer - or the prayer's legal substitute - the "Moment of Silence" - protects his rights and the rights of every person.

A public school's first priority should be education. Religion should be kept in your home, your churches, and your religious private schools and institutions. And, with the pledge, it's not just about religion, it's about nationalism and brainwashing children into accepting things that they do not understand. It is about conforming - pushing the belief that this nation is the "best" because it is protected by God. It leads to an unquestioning acceptance of the status quo - just look at the Jessica Ahlquist case, and look at how many people say that the prayer should stay "because it's been there for years". It is this mentality that NEEDS to change if this country has any chance in progressing and succeeding.

More:
http://wickedbunnies.blogspot.com/2012/02/back-to-school-coercive-pressure-of.html

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Back to school - The coercive pressure of the Pledge and "Moment of Silence" (Original Post) Ian David Feb 2012 OP
Interesting to read. I wonder if our atheist friends in... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #1
I had the 5 minutes of silence thing in first grade Warpy Feb 2012 #2
The problem with the moment of silence is what is implied. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #3
Yoga? Nah, the parents would have popped their corks. Warpy Feb 2012 #4
 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
1. Interesting to read. I wonder if our atheist friends in...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:47 PM
Feb 2012

Acton, Mass are presenting these thoughts in their court battle.

Warpy

(111,456 posts)
2. I had the 5 minutes of silence thing in first grade
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

and I've always thought it was a very smart thing for the teacher to do, since it quieted us down from the bounce off the walls thing we were doing as we came into the room. She didn't even mention prayer, she was way ahead of her time in the early 50s.

I don't find silent time coercive in the least, it depends on whether or not the teacher is a Christian Soldier who tells the kids to pray.

However, that requirement of a daily loyalty oath from children is just plain creepy. It needs to go.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
3. The problem with the moment of silence is what is implied.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:00 PM
Feb 2012

Well, at least for me---but I was in school at the time we did really have Bible readings and prayers during that time, and lived through the change to that moment of silence. In my mind, it will always be linked to prayer.

But I do understand your acceptance of it based on the way it calms the class down when they first get there. Yoga breathing and relaxation exercises could accomplish the same thing.

Warpy

(111,456 posts)
4. Yoga? Nah, the parents would have popped their corks.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

and you know anything active would have had us winking and nudging and giggling.

The heads down on the desk for 5 minutes worked better.

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