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babylonsister

(171,110 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:21 PM Feb 2012

'We'd get killed'

Posted with permission.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/17/10437034-wed-get-killed

'We'd get killed'
By Steve Benen
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:46 PM EST

How important has Michigan's Republican presidential primary become? Talk like this is becoming increasingly common.

A prominent Republican senator just told {ABC News' Jonathan Karl} that if Romney can't win in Michigan, the Republican Party needs to go back to the drawing board and convince somebody new to get into the race.

"If Romney cannot win Michigan, we need a new candidate," said the senator, who has not endorsed anyone and requested anonymity.

The senator believes Romney will ultimately win in Michigan but says he will publicly call for the party to find a new candidate if he does not.

The unnamed prominent Republican senator said Romney, if he manages to win the nomination after losing Michigan, would stand little chance against President Obama in November. "We'd get killed," he said, because Romney would be "too damaged."

And what of Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich? The senator added that both, if nominated, would "lose 35 states." (Ron Paul's name apparently wasn't included as part of the conversation.)

Jeb probably won't be the GOP's white knight.

So, if Romney would be broken by a Michigan defeat, and all of his rivals are inadequate, who exactly does this senator have in mind for the Republican Party in 2012?

"Jeb Bush," he said.

Look, I can appreciate the GOP's longing for a white knight, but this is getting rather silly. First, nominating yet another Bush -- the brother and son of two disliked Republican presidents -- is not a recipe for success. Second, relevant filing deadlines have come and gone.

And third, as Ed Kilgore noted, "{A}ny Bush Boom would have to deal with the fact that Republican opinion-leaders (and the current candidates) have spent a good part of the last three years trashing the administration of Jeb's brother as a heretical exercise in Big Government Conservatism."


The Jeb nonsense notwithstanding, the senator's comments to Jon Karl are an early hint of what's to come: if Santorum wins Michigan, which is certainly possible, the whispers about Romney's viability will become a roar very quickly. That probably wouldn't be enough to coax a new candidate into the race, but it might be enough to send the GOP establishment into a widespread panic.
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'We'd get killed' (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2012 OP
Jeez. They are thinking "Jeb" outloud now. geckosfeet Feb 2012 #1
I disagree that elleng Feb 2012 #2
They're going to get killed anyway. Whoever the Repubs nominate will be the sacrificial lamb... Drunken Irishman Feb 2012 #3
And that is why Jeb Bush would refuse to get in. He knows his only chance would be 2016, if then. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #17
Agree Redstate Bluegirl Feb 2012 #21
It is starting to look like a Michigan loss is the last straw for many of Romneys supporters. DCBob Feb 2012 #4
Let's see if Mittens goes "nuculer"on Rick in MI MidwestTransplant Feb 2012 #6
If we begin hearing GHWB mentioned then I would expect Jeb to be "drafted" for the good of the party Citizen Worker Feb 2012 #5
I have no idea why they think this country would vote for Jeb. I just never understood that. nt gateley Feb 2012 #7
Because they see him as attractive... rfranklin Feb 2012 #9
Why would someone else jump in late? Renew Deal Feb 2012 #8
Jeb is going to run Thrill Feb 2012 #10
"relevant filing deadlines have come and gone" ?? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #11
That's how I understand it as well, but there may be some obscure way around it. babylonsister Feb 2012 #13
Thanks for the link - I had missed that one. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #16
deadlines for the primary. there are no deadlines for the GE for candidates grantcart Feb 2012 #14
That makes more sense than how I was reading it. Thanks. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #15
No. If there truly were a brokered convention all bets are off. Delegates are only bound for the yellowcanine Feb 2012 #19
If Jeb winds up the nominee, it'll be the result of a brokered convention. It's too late for.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #12
"widespread panic".... hwmnbn Feb 2012 #18
The smell of abject fear is nice also. Kind of like napalm in the morning. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #20
Sorry.. I didn't see this before I posted the same thing !! K Gardner Feb 2012 #22
Senator Unnamed GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #23

elleng

(131,391 posts)
2. I disagree that
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:29 PM
Feb 2012

"{A}ny Bush Boom would have to deal with the fact that Republican opinion-leaders (and the current candidates) have spent a good part of the last three years trashing the administration of Jeb's brother as a heretical exercise in Big Government Conservatism." and 'nominating yet another Bush -- the brother and son of two disliked Republican presidents -- is not a recipe for success' among repugs.

I do agree, however, overall: They'd get killedl. OKAY!!!

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
3. They're going to get killed anyway. Whoever the Repubs nominate will be the sacrificial lamb...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:29 PM
Feb 2012

The Walter Mondale of 2012, if you will.

 

Redstate Bluegirl

(213 posts)
21. Agree
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:12 PM
Feb 2012

Hey, when Tommy Boy Friedman is saying the GOP should maybe take a pass on this year's election.....!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
4. It is starting to look like a Michigan loss is the last straw for many of Romneys supporters.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

It will be interesting to see what happens if that comes to pass. I thought Romney had this locked up but I am starting to waver a bit. The possibility of a brokered convention still looms as well. What a mess the GOPers have wrought on themselves. Love it!

Citizen Worker

(1,785 posts)
5. If we begin hearing GHWB mentioned then I would expect Jeb to be "drafted" for the good of the party
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:40 PM
Feb 2012

GHWB, twenty years after his one term is rarely mentioned but if we begin hearing his name something's afoot.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
9. Because they see him as attractive...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:58 PM
Feb 2012

They have managed to psychologically remove his brother Georgie from their history of the world. They probably believe that they can do the same to the voters.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
11. "relevant filing deadlines have come and gone" ??
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:20 PM
Feb 2012

So with all this talk about a brokered convention, the eventual nominee will have to be someone who was in the original cast?

babylonsister

(171,110 posts)
13. That's how I understand it as well, but there may be some obscure way around it.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
Feb 2012

Per Ezra Klein, it's doable but would be a 'suicide mission'...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125113192

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
16. Thanks for the link - I had missed that one.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:29 PM
Feb 2012

I like Ezra Klein. He seems to be able to parse this stuff with ease.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. deadlines for the primary. there are no deadlines for the GE for candidates
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
Feb 2012

People don't vote for candidates, they vote for electoral college voters and those names will be submitted in time.

yellowcanine

(35,704 posts)
19. No. If there truly were a brokered convention all bets are off. Delegates are only bound for the
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:44 PM
Feb 2012

first ballot I believe. Of course many would have loyalties to particular candidates so there would have to be some wheeling and dealing- likely the selected candidate would have to accept one of the others as VP.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,257 posts)
12. If Jeb winds up the nominee, it'll be the result of a brokered convention. It's too late for....
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:21 PM
Feb 2012

anything else. As our good friend Rev. Jackson would say, "Stay out of the Bushes".

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