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Related: About this forum...Ron Paul was right: people like Gingrich, Santorum and Romney are pushing us toward war ...
http://swampland.time.com/2012/02/23/the-not-so-great-debate/The Not-So-Great Debate
By Joe Klein
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A final note: Gingrich and Romney were disgraceful and demagogic on the subject of Iran. Gingrich was earning his Adelson money, obviously, but in the process exposed himself as either uninformed or purposefully misleading. He ranted against Mahmoud Ahmadinejadas if Ahmadinejad had any power over the Iranian military or nuclear program. He doesnt. The Supreme Leader does. In fact, Ahmadinejad is about to lose much of the remaining, hollow power he has: allies of the Supreme Leader have banned most of Ahmadinejads supporters from running for re-election to the Iranian parliament in March.
Romney took up the cry against Ahmadinejadjust as John McCain did in 2008. And so you might ask yourself, why do these Republicans insist on turning a guy with no power intoexcuse me, Senator Santoruma major-league Satan? Because most people know that Ahmadinejad is a villain, a holocaust denying anti-Semite. He sounds insane. He makes it easier to argue that Irans leadership is a fanatic religious death cult. He might make it easier to pry some Jewish voters from their traditional liberal home in the Democratic Party. It certainly makes it easier for Gingrich to pry dollars from people like Sheldon Adelson.
But it is a phony, baseless argument. Iran has one of the worst, oppressive governments in the worldbut it is a thinly veiled military dictatorship, not a religious death cult. (Most of the mullahs disdain not only Ahmadinejad, but also the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who was a decidedly undistinguished minor cleric before he chivvied his way to power.) The leaders of that dictatorship are making careful calculations about whether or not to actually go for a nuclear weaponand its a tough decision: if they build a bomb, they will have deterrence against an Israeli attack and also the grudging respect, and promises of aid, that rogue states like Pakistan and North Korea have gained. But they also run the severe risk of having their economy crushed by the sanctions regime and worse, the possibility of a pre-emptive attack by Israel or the U.S. It is not impossible that the pressure Obama has organized against Iran will force the Supreme Leader to back down. But even if it doesnt, the facts on the ground do not even vaguely represent the situation as described by Gingrich et al.
Once again, Ron Paul was right: people like Gingrich, Santorum and Romney are pushing us toward war under false pretenses. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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...Ron Paul was right: people like Gingrich, Santorum and Romney are pushing us toward war ... (Original Post)
babylonsister
Feb 2012
OP
mdmc
(29,099 posts)1. thanks for the OP
elleng
(131,453 posts)2. Yes they are, and Paul is right on this one.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)3. This must go viral. Enough with the stupid liars.
Last edited Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:10 AM - Edit history (1)
This also must go viral:
U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002345453
Remember when they said they didn't believe Saddam had WMDs and the LIARS ridiculed, then ignored them completely???
DCBob
(24,689 posts)4. Its great to have Paul there at the debates to call them out on this.
Even though he's like the crazy uncle, most people respect his opinions.