2016 Postmortem
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/04/clinton-emails-continue-to-be-non-scandal-disappointing-republicans/While we were all busy laughing about how insecure Donald Trump is about the size of his manhood, the New York Times released this story, the latest development in the case of Hillary Clintons emails:
A former aide to Hillary Clinton has turned over to the F.B.I. computer security logs from Mrs. Clintons private server, records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clintons emails.
The security logs bolster Mrs. Clintons assertion that her use of a personal email account to conduct State Department business while she was the secretary of state did not put American secrets into the hands of hackers or foreign governments.
The former aide, Bryan Pagliano, began cooperating with federal agents last fall, according to interviews with a federal law enforcement official and others close to the case. Mr. Pagliano described how he set up the server in Mrs. Clintons home in Chappaqua, N.Y., and according to two of the people, he provided agents the security logs.
What does this tell us? Although its possible there will be some future discovery, it appears that whether Clintons emails were vulnerable to hacking or not, they werent actually hacked. Thats good news! The closest thing theyve found is some attempts at phishing scams, which means that Clintons email is just like every other email address on earth.
Now lets be honest. When this story broke, Republicans were desperately hoping that we would learn that some criminal wrongdoing or catastrophic security breach had taken place, so they could then use that against Clinton in her run for the White House. But that turns out not to be the case. [font size="+1"]So the next best thing from their perspective is that theres some vaguely-defined scandal that the public doesnt really understand, but that voters will hold against her if you just repeat the words Clinton email scandal often enough.
They may have gotten that. Ive certainly seen plenty of voters quoted in press accounts saying some version of, I dont trust Clinton, cause you know, that email thing. Im sure 99 percent of them couldnt tell you what they think Clinton actually did thats so awful, but they know that there was something about emails, and it was, like, a scandal, right?[/font]
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She should have known that once she started running for president there were going to be FOIA requests and lawsuits and investigations of everything she did as Secretary of State. So yes, that was an error in judgment*. But it wasnt a crime and it appears that no bad consequences for the country came of it so we shouldnt treat it like it was.
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* whether it was an error in judgement is subject to debate... .
Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever'
CNN)Overlooked in the controversy over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, is the fact that suspected Russian hackers have bedeviled State Department's email system for much of the past year and continue to pose problems for technicians trying to eradicate the intrusion.
Federal law enforcement, intelligence and congressional officials briefed on the investigation say the hack of the State email system is the "worst ever" cyberattack intrusion against a federal agency. The attackers who breached State are also believed to be behind hacks on the White House's email system, and against several other federal agencies, the officials say.
The issue is relevant because one criticism of the Clinton private email use is that it was likely less secure than emailing within the State Department's system. But the hack shows that State's system has major security issues. The State system, investigators believe, was compromised in the past year, likely after Clinton left the State Department.
Last November, the State Department shut down its email system over a weekend to try to improve security and block the intruders.
At the time, the agency tried to send a re-assuring message that "activity of concern" by possible hackers only affected its unclassified email system.
But officials say that even a breach of the unclassified system poses major security risks, because sensitive information of value to foreign intelligence agencies is routinely shared in non-classified emails.
"An error in judgement"? .. Colin Powell and Condi Rice used personal email accounts for official business and the Bush White House had a couple dozen WH advisors who had personal email accounts with a commercial email provider (all controlled by and under the account of the Republican National Committee), so Clinton was hardly doing anything out of the ordinary EXCEPT FOR THE FACT that personal email accounts provided by commercial email service providers have hundreds of personell whose job it is to protect their email systems/servers from malware and hackers. In order to do their jobs they have the ability to examine any and all emails in their system. Thus any government emails in such accounts are by definition NOT SECURE. We do know that Powell and Rice had emails with classified information in them. But Clinton's set up was, in effect, a government satellite server. As the article points out, there are no indications that her server was hacked.
SEE: THE SHOCKING TRUTH: COLIN POWELLS EMAILS DONT MATTER
and: FLASHBACK: When Millions Of Lost Bush White House Emails (From Private Accounts) Triggered A Media Shrug
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Feel the Bern.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We may never know how badly Bernie's campaign was hurt by this kind of shabby behavior driving off moderates and independents, but many, many articles for many months spoke to how offensive this was.
Way past time to understand that you let yourselves be lead very astray and to feel the shame. Was it really your intention to be described by expert observers as the Tea Partiers counterparts on the left?
I didn't think so.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Bernie and his supporters had nothing to do with it.
Her ambition and ego consumed the entire party and it's on her, not us.
There's a big poop sandwich headed our way if she's the nominee.
And his name is Trump.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)I heard him speak yesterday. I certainly would not trust his judgement.
merrily
(45,251 posts)serve, which not many have, is too stupid for words, unless it's too deceitful for words. In either case, people should stop doing it, especially those who purport to be journalists informing the public.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Also asking you too much to refrain from a broad brush smear. If you have an issue with me, there is no need to smear all Bernie supporters. After all, I am not imputing your rudeness to all Hillary supporters.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Excellent example of conflation from your op in two consecutive sentences:
A former aide to Hillary Clinton has turned over to the F.B.I. computer security logs from Mrs. Clintons private server, records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clintons emails.
The security logs bolster Mrs. Clintons assertion that her use of a personal email account to conduct State Department business while she was the secretary of state did not put American secrets into the hands of hackers or foreign governments.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)When the Times reporter used the phrase "personal email account" perhaps you think that meant an email account with a commercial email service provider. The phrase "personal email account" does not necessarily mean the email account is with a Commercial (private sector) email service provider.
Hope this helps.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)email service provider - although, in most cases it would. The context of the article should make that clear.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Colin Powell could have had his e-mails directed through an Electric sign on the side of the highway. It's not relevant to HRC's situation.
hedda_foil
(16,379 posts)The other secretaries of state used their personal, commercially provided email (e.g., Gmail, Hotmail, etc) for a handful of personal emails. NOT for government business. Hillary had a server in her basement that she used to conduct state business as well as personal emails, and she NEVER used the government account as mandated by the president. And most of her messages seem to have gone through an insecure blackberry as well.
The problem doesn't go away if the government was lucky enough that her server wasn't hacked. The issue is that she disregarded standard security precautions that would have any other government employee in solitary confinement for many years.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Classified Data Found in Personal Email of Colin Powell and Aides to Condoleezza Rice
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/us/politics/state-dept-classified-data-found-ex-secretaries-personal-email-john-kerry-condeleezza-rice-colin-powell.html
State Department: Powell, Rice staffers received classified info via personal email
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/
THE SHOCKING TRUTH: COLIN POWELLS EMAILS DONT MATTER
http://www.newsweek.com/colin-powell-emails-hillary-clinton-424187
840high
(17,196 posts)it was hacked or not. Extreme poor judgement and disregard on her part.
merrily
(45,251 posts)began with my brief Reply 3, which objected to the article's referring to the two, as though they were interchangeable, without distinguishing sufficiently between them. Apparently, those two sentences went over your head because you've been posting rude, nonsense and non sequiturssince. Now your "correct' me by saying what my Reply 3 said in the first place.
What a poor use of your time and mine! Inasmuch as the last word seems to be your only goal in these pointless exchanges, take it with my blessing. Here's hoping you succeed in getting over yourself. Trust me, that really should not be as difficult as you make it seem.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)No wrongdoing...the GOP types in the FBI are definitely trying to find something anything, but they won't...there goes Bernie's last chance of not 'winning'...no path.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)She went roque, she's mavericky, good for her.
But it's the wrong way to do things.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Now you know.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)So now you know
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)more than one of a series of security seminars that she choose to not attend. But she had to do things her way. And now, here we are. Knee deep in an FBI investigation.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)BootinUp
(47,221 posts)sorry, i just couldn't control myself.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Being the operative phrase here.
How many thousands of emails disappeared under KKKarl Ratfucker Rove. Who cared a whit?
brush
(53,978 posts)for the repug-generated email scandal. They post several OPs everyday that any minute now an indictment will be handed down and Hillary Clinton will be perp-walked in cuffs from whatever campaign trail podium she is speaking from "untrustable liar that she is".
Well, newsflash: Obama's FBI and DOJ are not going to destroy the Dem party and its November chances by indicting its leading candidate on an alleged scandal and leave all the next three SCOTUS appointments to Trump of Cruz?
Call it cynical or political or whatever you want but get real! Obama is one smart cookie. He's a Democratic politician and isnot going to let the Democratic Party be destroy by this so all the people praying for it can forget it.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Another fantasy of the Rabid Right is that Obama will 'lean on' the FBI and DoJ to 'save' Clinton. More Rightwing Insanity.
Legal experts - familiar with laws concerning the handling of Classified data all say talk of 'indictment' is nonsense.
Experts Agree Clinton Indictment "Chatter Is Just Plain Ridiculous."
Obama wouldn't do that and anyway, it's not necessary.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)"it was RIGGED!" That's the convenience of the Right wings Alternate Universe... it always can provide an answer, no matter how ridiculous it is --- to rational people.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275959-scarborough-obama-has-rigged-fbis-clinton-probe
Stallion
(6,476 posts)most of us have read these many times and its really a waste of everybody's time to regurgitate stale news stories. Sometimes you need to prove a point but disclose upfront. Go Hillary
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)....If this was posted b4 I didn't see it. I think if you see an article you saw before you would note that right away and stop right away - thus not wasting much of you valuable time. IF you read the entire article before you realized you read it before, then should you complain? I mean, you didn't remember your read it. Perhaps you needed to read it again for comprehension.
Also, keep in mind, many people are not on this site every day, nor are they on this site all day long. The result being, they may have missed a given post. (as I did, if you saw this before)
doc03
(35,454 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)I'm confused.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)I agree with Jane Sanders, they should have moved it along a long time ago. That they clearly haven't leaves me confused.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)mcar
(42,474 posts)But I thank you for it.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)when the "security review" results in indictments.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Gothmog
(145,965 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Any hacker worth a damn cleans up the logs.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)But people keep clinging to that phrase like it really means something! First thing any newb learns is to clean the logs.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to access their AOL account opining on systems security.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)pissed me off.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)don't want to - or can't - think for themselves. LOL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1898037