2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet's be clear about some things
For all the monkeyshit that gets thrown at Sanders it is a sad way to pay him back for his decades of loyalty to liberal progressive causes and caucusing with the Democratic Party. As of this moment:
*Sanders has caucused and done fund-raising with Democrats in Congress for 25+ years and has one of the most liberal voting records in Congress.
*Sanders is the only Democratic or teapublican presidential candidate in the 2016 race that has had a 100% rating from PP and NARAL for 20 years straight.
(Source: vote smart.org)
*Sanders is the only Democratic or teapublican presidential candidate in the 2016 race that has at least a 95% lifetime rating from The League of Conservation Voters.
(Source: votesmart.org)
*Sanders is the co-founder and pass chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus?
When you belittle him, attempt to humiliate him, attack his ethics, attack him as a liberal progressive, remember that while he has made missteps and poor messaging on occasion, he has been a strong champion of Democratic Party and liberal progressive ideals for decades and no one running for president right now can claim that record like Sanders can.
If he wins or losses this election, Sanders has had our back for decades, he deserves, at the very least, respect for that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)When we had a tie in the senate and he caucused with us as the tiebreaker.
Although that was around the same time as certain sensible senate voices were proposing laws to put flag burners in prison for a year, so maybe it has gone down the memory hole.
No, they simply HATE, HATE, CANNOT STAND the guy for having the nerve -the nerve!- to run at all when it was HER TURN. Listen to them talk about the dude, after this is all over they're gonna follow him back to Vermont and -rhetorically speaking, of course- MAKE. HIM. PAYYYYYYYY
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)What is Sanders doing for us lately other than making a Trump presidency more likely ?
angrychair
(8,759 posts)Clinton herself stated the other day:
"She added that she would not refer to herself as the presumptive nominee and that she respects Sanders's choice to stay in the race."
HRC did not drop out until after the last state voted in 2008.
TheBlackAdder
(28,262 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)My god she comes with a bus full. Blindly supporting her will lead us all into trouble.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)party while Trump is free to start acting very presidential and builds momentum.
peace13
(11,076 posts)The primaries are not over. Let it play out. That is how Hill did it. Hell, she refused to concede, went missing and failed to show up to a press conference that she had called. Memories are short but that is exactly how it played out in 08. She tried to denude Obama of all integrity and did not care what kind of damage she left. Fact!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)But I will repeat myself, the primaries are not over. There is another option but folks need to wake the hell up. Other than that option I assume life wants me to see some really awful crap and I will see it with the choices you propose and there isn't a thing I can do about it!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)for Trump.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Better check in back at camp!
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(7,299 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)That is why I support the guy who beats Trump by much higher margins in the General Election.
Supporting Hillary at this point is like hitting on 19 in blackjack.
A much higher gamble.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)That did more to make a Trump presidency more likely than the totality of Sanders' campaign.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)of Trump and Sanders assassinating Hillary's character will definitely lift Trump in the polls.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Or just talking about her history, positions, and associations. Does that count?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)But literally the worst possible nominee is currently the frontrunner to face him. Why insist upon this madness?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)positioned very well to exploit it. The two Democratic camps are like two kids sitting at a table with chocolate frosting all over their faces fighting over the last piece of cake. The cake falls on the ground and the dog gets it.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)This outcome was known, though. Certain people insisted on Hillary despite being warned, so here we are.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)With Hill as his opponent Trump'll never know what hit him, she'll bury him etc. etc.
oh, and Trump is about as shrewd as a turnip with that 5th grade vocabulary.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Not a formula for success.
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(7,299 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)If you make a bad cake.dont cry when the dog is the only one eating it
The hillarians are finally noticing all the burnt bridges and in the image of their candidate wonder why no one cares they cant get back on the right side
Next they will demand we fix the bridges they burned much as they insisted obama pay for her shitty 08 campaigns debts
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Brighter
babylonsister
(171,113 posts)I can't explain his supporters other than they like the fact that he's a misogynistic bigot, but he is surely not raising important issues or solutions in any kind of cohesive fashion.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)he'll start moderating his message while the Democrats keep savaging each other. His poll numbers will start to rise IMO. He'll seize the momentum IMO.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)ideas, proposing solutions, unopposed and worthy of our full fear and focus. I'm opposed to using kind verbiage about racist assholes like Trump. You are gilding his lily, speaking kindnesses and offering praise and demanding that his presence defines the process in OUR Party and that is a toxic and right wing concept.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)I said that the Democrats are savaging each other and they are. We represent the best thing that Trump has going for him right now.
Qutzupalotl
(14,348 posts)to those issues. I don't see him doing that at all.
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(7,299 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,348 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Guns, sure, me too, he is wrong on some of that or was.
But just about every other area and time of his life he has been a righteous fighter for average people.
I dont care if people criticize him for having too white of a campaign, he did and it was dumb and hurt him, but saying he doesnt care about average people is just absurd.
msongs
(67,509 posts)even though they have been in place for decades and I know what they are.
...whch laws didn't apply to him, do tell.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and accuses her of the crime of "money laundering", and accusing his "own" party of being corrupt. He's well on his way to becoming as irrelevant and reviled as Ralph Nader. How can anyone respect that? He's his own worst enemy and he's intentionally damaging the party. Whatever good he may have done, the damage he does and his efforts to weaken the party will be his legacy. Was that a "misstep" or "poor messaging"?
Ooooo! So proud of that... it just gives ya goose-bumps!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's hard to see such ignorance as a qualification. She says she 'misspoke' but let's be honest, she was just riffing randomly and said horrible insulting things while praising the Reagans who were the villains of the AIDS era.
I understand that her supporters also love Reagan but I don't. I also don't like historical revisionism nor AIDS denialism.
If Bernie Sanders had said that George W Bush was the Hero of Katrina and the savior of New Orleans you would have screamed bloody murder. Hillary's statement was worse because she was ignoring seven years of inaction and about 35,000 dead Americans when she made her fictional presentation on Reagan and AIDS.
Her supporters thought it was funny, just like Reagan's people laughed about AIDS back in those days. Same mindset.
Thankfully I was able to vote for Bernie Sanders in my Primary, returning our ballots today...it was a joy to finally be able to vote for a Democratic contender who has never trash talked my family in the name of some delusional faith. First time. I'm very grateful to Bernie for being that candidate.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)for not being good enough. After everything he has done and is doing!!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... if not for the last month or so.
Early on, he set a great example. He focused on issues and his message. Some of his suppoters were unhinged, but Bernie was setting the right example.
But as we approached NY, he lost focus and went negative. And not just a little negative, "Bern the bridges" negative. His angriest supporters loved it. But by doing this, he's lost a lot of credibility.
So while I still respect Bernie for his past, his present isn't working out so well.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan in particular Mrs. Reagan we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."
So credibility? And how negative is it to praise the very people who did such great harm to Americans while at the same time claiming the gay community refused to take action, only the Reagans were brave enough to do that. Bullshit lies, smears against good people who were courageous under great duress.
You are fine with that example Hillary set, revising history to favor Republican criminals and to throw shade on citizen activists and minority persons? Your entire cohort cheered for it, excused it, curated it and called it perfectly acceptable rhetoric.
It's not just her I no longer see as an honest ally. She took many others down that path with her and they all went willingly. I'll never forget that, and I will always act accordingly.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)It happens.
btw ... Nancy Reagan was not an elected official. She did not set policy. Her husband did.
Outrages are everywhere if you look hard enough.
And DU has become an outstanding example of that since the day Obama took office.
bvf
(6,604 posts)An unbelievably blind, heartless, and hateful response. Beyond words.
Therefore her only option was to revise history, piss on a lot of unnecessary graves, and give her a supporters something more to grin and shrug about
...you might have added.
But, hey, "it happens."
Jesus Fucking What.
Playinghardball
(11,665 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)pacalo
(24,722 posts)I believe this is what bothers me most about the criticism from the other side. It's below the belt, ungracious, & ungrateful.
We were surely thankful to have his vote in the Senate when every Democratic vote was crucial.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)It's his attempts to play games with unelected superdelegates to overturn the democratically expressed choice of the party that is starting to really rub people the wrong way.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was "playing games" with the early debate schedule.
Had the DNC not conceded the field and Free Network Face Time to Republicans for MONTHS in order to protect Hillary and hide Sanders from the American people, we would be looking at a very different picture today.
If Hillary loses the GE against Trump, DWS and her surrender of free TV and Media to the Republicans for 3 months will bear a great part of the responsibility.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)This campaign has been a real wake up call.
Progressive dog
(6,934 posts)Hillary Clinton for President in 2016. The endorsement was the first time for PP.
angrychair
(8,759 posts)Given his record on women's reproductive rights and healthcare issues, it seemed more politically motivated than realistic, since only one candidate running can claim 23 straight years of a 100% ratings from them. He has been a stalwart defender of women's reproductive rights and healthcare for his entire life and would never compromise abortion access for women as HRC is on the record as willing to do.
Progressive dog
(6,934 posts)ratings, but very few have been in Congress as long as Bernie has. I would defer to the judgement of the organizations that endorsed Hillary about who has best defended their values.