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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:57 PM May 2016

I really wasn't planning on spending my senior years under a new form of government-

namely Corporatacracy. It appears we may well be headed bullet-train speed right into it. Whatever it is, I DO know that we aren't the same country we used to be, the one I was born into over 50 years ago, the one I was raised in.

Something happened along the way. And while many of the things happened before 9/11, many many more have happened after. Egregious things.

Whatever we are, we are not a democratic republic, of, by, and for the people any longer.

Citizen's United was just one of many bad decisions handed down by SCOTUS that set parts of the founding documents on fire.

I expect my leader to fight it with the ferocity it needs, regardless of whose feeling are hurt. It is that important. It isn't my fault that some don't understand. It says more about them than it does me. If you don't understand, then pick up a history book, a civics book, any government textbook and read and reflect until you do understand.

We have that leader already, but he is being hobbled by a self-appointed one who still can't close the deal. And a complicit news media. And of course by Debbie-gate, which was never fully investigated- the collusion was covered up in the truce deal that was made.

Yep. Quite a primary show this year. Can we stop this madness yet?

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I really wasn't planning on spending my senior years under a new form of government- (Original Post) silvershadow May 2016 OP
K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #1
I am 70 plus and am not liking it either. alfie May 2016 #2
I'm 26.. Thank you. We know it's not all younger people that see this only Joob May 2016 #3
Old Sanders supporter here, too. Urchin May 2016 #85
I know 50 years ago gays couldn't get married. Agschmid May 2016 #4
Relevance to the OP? nt silvershadow May 2016 #5
Well you said 50 years ago everything was fine and dandy. Agschmid May 2016 #6
Sounds like you are just the type of person I referenced in the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #7
What gay and happy I can get married now? Agschmid May 2016 #8
Which is fine and dandy, but has nothing to do with the OP. Whatsoever. nt silvershadow May 2016 #11
Sure it does... Blanks May 2016 #35
This has zero to do with gays or any other issue. It has to due with our form of government. silvershadow May 2016 #37
Our "form" of government has not changed in the past 50 years, so try again. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #71
The TPP. I remember a few months ago when it was still ok to discuss that here. nt silvershadow May 2016 #73
So since when does discussing the TPP get you banned from DU? That's the problem with politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #75
It's not because I am a Bernie supporter. It's because I am a proud Union labor man. nt silvershadow May 2016 #76
Don't you know Urchin May 2016 #86
I never knew that. nt silvershadow May 2016 #87
Well now you do! Urchin May 2016 #90
And women were expected to be barefoot and pregnant. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #55
Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #103
Some people are delusional Trenzalore May 2016 #40
Nice deflection. The OP isn't about 50 years ago, as you well know. It is about our form of silvershadow May 2016 #44
The Corporate Coup d'etat happened a long time ago Trenzalore May 2016 #45
Sorry, been on the case for a loooong time. Nice try. nt silvershadow May 2016 #47
You are pining for a time Trenzalore May 2016 #48
You didn't even read the OP it is clear. I am not pining for 50 years ago. But you knew that. silvershadow May 2016 #49
In the 1960s Trenzalore May 2016 #53
That's the standard? "Hey, at least you didn't get shot in the head?" Wow. Crazy stuff there. nt silvershadow May 2016 #56
You picked the 60s Trenzalore May 2016 #57
No, you picked the 60's rather than the topic of the OP. I just responded, unnecessarily. nt silvershadow May 2016 #58
If you asked me if I had more hope after 8 years of Obama Trenzalore May 2016 #65
I asked you no such thing. nt silvershadow May 2016 #66
Thats right and their followers were picked up in the middle of the night workinclasszero May 2016 #143
There has always Urchin May 2016 #88
50 years ago, the Vietnam war was rapidly escalating. greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #50
And decades from now Urchin May 2016 #92
Indeed, up until just recently marriage has been a sacred bond between a man and a woman Fumesucker May 2016 #114
Why parse it? Civil rights are ongoing. A piece of a much bigger puzzle. Human rights are better but snowy owl May 2016 #121
No one wants to go back 50 years. JaneyVee May 2016 #9
Nice deflection from the overriding point of the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #12
Nice deflection of your obvious screw up. JaneyVee May 2016 #13
Wow. no point in us talking further. nt silvershadow May 2016 #14
It sucked for white males between the ages of 18-22 Trenzalore May 2016 #46
Pretty sure all races went to Vietnam. JaneyVee May 2016 #52
Should all white people or men vote Trump? JPnoodleman May 2016 #115
How about the draft Trenzalore May 2016 #42
I was 1-A prime beef and had to sweat it out Armstead May 2016 #110
America is heading back more than 50 years, more like 100+ years to oligarchic plutocratic Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #28
Sixty-years ago Urchin May 2016 #81
Sander's fans do workinclasszero May 2016 #144
If Hillary wins by hook or by crook, you will no doubt find yourself on America's first bullet train NorthCarolina May 2016 #10
Pre Roe v Wade, gays forced in the closet, civil rights for nobody but white males. PeaceNikki May 2016 #15
Which has nothing to do with the OP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #16
It has everything to do with the OP PeaceNikki May 2016 #17
I wrote the OP. No, it doesn't. The OP is about Corporatacray. nt silvershadow May 2016 #18
In the 60s, women couldn't serve on juries PeaceNikki May 2016 #19
And I never said any such thing. Your mind has taken you astray. Stay on topic, please. nt silvershadow May 2016 #20
I'll take the topic whatever way I see fit, thanks. PeaceNikki May 2016 #21
My OP. My topic. Your diversion. Democracy vs Cororatacracy. No contest. At all. nt silvershadow May 2016 #22
My observation, you mean. PeaceNikki May 2016 #23
Yes, I did observe the slide out of democracy. I lived it. Your point? nt silvershadow May 2016 #24
I made my point. We've had a ton of progressive victories in the past 50 years. PeaceNikki May 2016 #26
So you believe Corporatocracy (Fascism) is a good thing for women? AgingAmerican May 2016 #29
Newp. PeaceNikki May 2016 #31
The corporacracy is happy to give us social victories, just as long as they gain further silvershadow May 2016 #30
corporacracy isn't a word. PeaceNikki May 2016 #32
Bye. nt silvershadow May 2016 #33
Bye, Felicia! PeaceNikki May 2016 #34
You're very dishonest. The perfect Hillary drone...deny the truth and twist the words to define haikugal May 2016 #77
Lol, there was no attack. PeaceNikki May 2016 #78
jury duty mog75 May 2016 #82
I agree with you sandyshoes17 May 2016 #83
In the last several years the PTB have stolen my house, $80k in payments, and silvershadow May 2016 #84
How was your house stolen? Agschmid May 2016 #104
During the Great Con Job. nt silvershadow May 2016 #106
Ok... Agschmid May 2016 #107
If you are a lawyer offering to help me, please PM me. nt silvershadow May 2016 #108
I'm not a lawyer, and I can be of little to no help. Agschmid May 2016 #109
I hear you my friend beware the ides of May! Silver_Witch May 2016 #139
No. Your fallacy is called a straw man argument. hellofromreddit May 2016 #36
Please hold while I note your concern. PeaceNikki May 2016 #38
You misunderstand. I never said you weren't smug enough. hellofromreddit May 2016 #39
Lol, how shall I ever sleep while your opinion of me suffers? PeaceNikki May 2016 #43
You continue to fail to prove your point. hellofromreddit May 2016 #67
Yes, it does. The fact that you can't see that is the problem Recursion May 2016 #117
Social repression in the Union labor movement? That takes some big balls. nt silvershadow May 2016 #127
You're not familiar with the role of many unions in keeping black workers off shop floors? Recursion May 2016 #128
There you go again, talking about the 1960's...Can we just talk about 1992 and later? nt silvershadow May 2016 #129
Happily. Oddly enough I just did an OP about that Recursion May 2016 #130
Lame. Deflective. You no longer have the same form of government, which as you know silvershadow May 2016 #131
I disagree Recursion May 2016 #132
I know you do. nt silvershadow May 2016 #133
I see what you mean farleftlib May 2016 #25
Corporatocracy is just another word for Fascism AgingAmerican May 2016 #27
I agree with this. And, seriously, I must say… CobaltBlue May 2016 #41
Remember in 1963 Trenzalore May 2016 #51
Remember in 1992 When the Clintons continued the Republican tradition of destroying silvershadow May 2016 #54
If you want to compare what sucked more the 90s or the 60s Trenzalore May 2016 #59
I don't want to compare anything. You do. Way off topic. But you knew that. nt silvershadow May 2016 #60
You don't want to compare Trenzalore May 2016 #68
I want to compare this form of government to democracy, yes. The TPP and all else, as you silvershadow May 2016 #70
So, how old ARE you? MineralMan May 2016 #61
Which has nothing to do with which form of government we have. nt silvershadow May 2016 #63
Nonsense. It has everything to do with it. MineralMan May 2016 #64
I'm pretty sure that they didn't even read their own OP. Agschmid May 2016 #105
President Eisenhower warned the nation about the influence of the military industrial complex 1961 Fresh_Start May 2016 #62
Yep. And corporations were declared to have the same rights as people as early as 1886. ContinentalOp May 2016 #93
I take it that you are sadoldgirl May 2016 #69
And you better believe they are looking at and salivating over Matariki May 2016 #72
Yep. nt silvershadow May 2016 #74
Thank you pmorlan1 May 2016 #79
Yes they do. You are welcome. Thank you for weighing in with the vote of confidence. nt silvershadow May 2016 #80
Thank you for putting it into words, silvershadow. Octafish May 2016 #89
Wow. That's a keeper. Looks like from original DU? nt silvershadow May 2016 #91
DU2. Why to keep fighting the Good Fight. Octafish May 2016 #95
Great post. I will pour over it as soon as I eat my supper. Thanks for the kind words. nt silvershadow May 2016 #98
....! KoKo May 2016 #94
October Surprise + Safari Club = CIA Old Boys in Power For Ever and Ever Octafish May 2016 #97
your OP has been hi-jacked, triangulated, and suffered from way too many deflective responses... islandmkl May 2016 #96
Hear, fucking!, hear. Great post. ebayfool May 2016 #111
+1,000,000 Hydra May 2016 #113
^^^^this^^^^ cliffordu May 2016 #119
It's not hijacking to point out your myopia Recursion May 2016 #123
bad premise - all wages across all races have stagnated...and you know it's not about islandmkl May 2016 #125
Negative. African Americans have seen significant income gains over the past 40 years Recursion May 2016 #126
it appears to be a matter of looking a statistics from different angles islandmkl May 2016 #134
the gap is not closing: islandmkl May 2016 #135
I said "caught up with the quintile below them" Recursion May 2016 #136
Standing ovation!! Silver_Witch May 2016 #140
K&R jwirr May 2016 #99
Whiny Bernie-Bro who wants to lay around smoking dope and getting free stuff! tabasco May 2016 #100
The party is like Mitt Romney bought it and stripped it of its' valuable assets. silvershadow May 2016 #101
I understand and agree with your post. nruthie May 2016 #102
Here's the good news. None of us are too old to get back to oasis May 2016 #112
I'm glad as hell we aren't the country we were 50 years ago Recursion May 2016 #116
Absolutely not. I'm solidly middle class because I could get an college education without debt. snowy owl May 2016 #122
I wish I could K&R this for a week. cliffordu May 2016 #118
Lack of institutional memory. Study Eisenhower in fifties. It is different. Few seem to know it. snowy owl May 2016 #120
Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On ‘Legalized Corruption’ Octafish May 2016 #142
At least people are waking up & they are very angry emsimon33 May 2016 #124
great post. Ignore all those trying to kick up dust ProfessorPlum May 2016 #137
Not to worry, the bankers will still have sleepovers in the WH no matter which side wins! dmosh42 May 2016 #138
I have assumed I have been living under a new form of government randr May 2016 #141
This is a very old fight felix_numinous May 2016 #145

alfie

(522 posts)
2. I am 70 plus and am not liking it either.
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

I don't like that the corporations have so much control over our day to day life and like it even less that they are in full control of our government, assuring that that control is ironclad.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
3. I'm 26.. Thank you. We know it's not all younger people that see this only
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

Like the MSM wants us to believe. Thanks.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
35. Sure it does...
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

When one is yearning for the good old days, it is important to take the downside into account.

The LGBT community was not better off 50 years ago. When Trump talks about 'Make America Great Again' that's what he's talking about: people knowing their place.

Sure things need to change, but when I look back on the trends, things got worse under the republicans. And despite the awesome greatness that is Jimmy Carter, things did not get a whole bunch better during his administration.

It takes a particular temperament to be president and some have it, some don't.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
37. This has zero to do with gays or any other issue. It has to due with our form of government.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

But you knew that.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
71. Our "form" of government has not changed in the past 50 years, so try again.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

Citizen's United was a SCOTUS decision that changed the way campaigns are financed. Most of us Dems did not like that decision. We don't think that money is free speech. But Dems who want to win elections can either play by the same rules as the GOP and have a fighting chance to WIN elections whereby they are in a position to influence the outcome, OR they can be purists like Bernie and say that I'm not willing to accept campaign contributions from A, B, or C and lose and spend eternity powerless to affect the outcome.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
75. So since when does discussing the TPP get you banned from DU? That's the problem with
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

the Bernie Supporters. You distort everything when it's actually the Bernie Supporters who are the angry ones who are attacking other Dems because they may not fall in line behind Bernie like his supporters do. Hillary supporters don't insist on the purist test that Bernie supporters do, because we know that is a recipe for disaster and that compromise in not the dirty word Bernie has made it out to be.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,776 posts)
55. And women were expected to be barefoot and pregnant.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

When I started college in 1967, we were told at orientation that any women wanting to attend medical school should forget it. The reason was that it was expected they would get married and pregnant and that they should not take up the space of a man who would make it to the end of the process. It made me wish that I wanted to go to med school just to prove them wrong.

A roundabout way of saying that you make some excellent points.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
40. Some people are delusional
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

My father and mother are both US Army veterans. My father a Ranger, my mother a nurse. Around 50 years ago both were sent to Southeast Asia to fight a war many believe was mostly to support special interest.

If you were born 50 years ago, you were born into a nation where 18 year old boys were being drafted to fight an unjust war a world a way.

The entire premise of the OP is bullshit.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
44. Nice deflection. The OP isn't about 50 years ago, as you well know. It is about our form of
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

government, and the Corporate Coup d'etat.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
45. The Corporate Coup d'etat happened a long time ago
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

You are just waking up to the brick wall behind the curtain.

Sorry you are just realizing this.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
48. You are pining for a time
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

When my father was picked up out of his home and sent to kill Vietnamese people for no fucking reason other than it made some people money lol.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
49. You didn't even read the OP it is clear. I am not pining for 50 years ago. But you knew that.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

I am pining for anything pre-911, when we went full fascist.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
53. In the 1960s
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Progressive leaders that showed promise actually got shot in the head.

We are in better shape now than we were than.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
65. If you asked me if I had more hope after 8 years of Obama
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

or any other time period of the past 50 years I would say after 8 years of Obama

1960s Vietnam
1970s inflation
1980s Reagan
1990s not that bad
2000s bush

Hillary for the most part will continue what Obama has done the past 8 years and that is going in the right direction.

I could play we didn't start the fire for you, but things generally suck every year. Some better, some worse.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
143. Thats right and their followers were picked up in the middle of the night
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

by law officers/klan members and murdered in cold blood, back in them "good ole days".

The saddest thing is the ones who survived the beatings, jail cells and the klan are now swarmed on Facebook and called sellouts by f***ing keyboard warriors who can't even bother to drag their lazy asses off the couch to go to the ballot box and vote!

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
88. There has always
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

Been a struggle between the 0.01% and the rest of us.

Sometimes the rest of us get a break--like under the policies FDR created for us.

And sometimes the 0.01% gets the break--like has been happening more and more every year since they worked to roll back all the things FDR did for us, as soon as FDR died.

And they've been at it ever since, and have just about gotten everything they dreamed of.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,776 posts)
50. 50 years ago, the Vietnam war was rapidly escalating.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

Another of the many reasons I have no desire to go back to what so many perceive as the golden age.

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
92. And decades from now
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:52 PM
May 2016

They will say that oligarchy was rapidly escalating.

And why did the voters allow that to happen?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
114. Indeed, up until just recently marriage has been a sacred bond between a man and a woman
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

Well, for some candidates anyway.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
121. Why parse it? Civil rights are ongoing. A piece of a much bigger puzzle. Human rights are better but
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 AM
May 2016

But don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Corporatist control can take away human rights in a heartbeat. They control the money, the power, and will use that control however they choose - John Roberts is evil. Look what he's already done. Don't be too smug about what you have currently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-north-patterson/closing-polls-and-slammin_b_9273844.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Closing Polls and Slamming Doors: John Roberts’ Race-based Agenda

A sharp bone of contention in the contest between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders is who cares more about the lives of African Americans. One area of concern is minority voting rights — last week, a conservative federal judge upheld a repressive North Carolina voter ID law, passed by Republicans, clearly aimed at suppressing black turnout. This provides yet another pointed reminder of why the supporters of both candidates should unite come November — to stop Chief Justice Roberts and his allies from further gutting measures to protect minorities.

We should not mince words. The Roberts court has not simply been racially obtuse — quite deliberately, it has dismantled affirmative action and diminished voting rights — upholding measures specifically designed to disadvantage Democrats by disenfranchising minorities, the poor, and the young.


snip...


With respect to issues regarding race, the Chief Justice has led the Court’s conservative majority in a counterrevolution against the fruits of the civil rights movement. This is not a matter of happenstance, but a defining feature of his legal career.


And this doesn't have to stop with race. He's narrow minded and evangelistic.
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
13. Nice deflection of your obvious screw up.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

America sucked 50 years ago for everyone but white males.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
42. How about the draft
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

You know 50 years ago when people were randomly being selected to die in southeast Asia for corporate interest?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
110. I was 1-A prime beef and had to sweat it out
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

Luyckily before my number came up, they had the lottery and I was spared by having the right birthday.

That was not a golden era. Lot of things have gotten better in terms of social issues...

But the Op is absolutely correct. We have slid backward in otehr ways.

In terms of concentration of wealth and power, and the growth of massive corporate power, and the obscene degree of deregulation and the erosion of economic standards and morality we have declined very far. If we allow it to continue unchecked, we're going to be in really deep shit as a democracy and society based on opportunity for all.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
28. America is heading back more than 50 years, more like 100+ years to oligarchic plutocratic
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

authoritarian slave state.

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
81. Sixty-years ago
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

We once had an economic system that rewarded education, a strong work ethic, loyalty, and thrift.

Granted, that didn't always work well for minorities back then.

But today, it doesn't work for just about anyone.

How about we go back to an economic system that rewards education, a strong work ethic, loyalty, and thrift--only this time for all people?

Because the borrow-and-spend-and-asset-gambling-and-exploit-others way, is not a system that is going anywhere except for the 0.01% and the professional class of toadies they toss a few crumbs to.



 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
144. Sander's fans do
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

And not surprising to me, Trump fans as well.

They want to go back to the white privilege days. Gays need not apply of course.

When gays were suppressed by law and "mixed marriages" were also illegal.

I don't think many PoC or gay folks are longing for a return to those "idyllic" decades of the 50's and 60's when straight white people were the absolute masters of the USA.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
10. If Hillary wins by hook or by crook, you will no doubt find yourself on America's first bullet train
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

that only goes rightward.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
15. Pre Roe v Wade, gays forced in the closet, civil rights for nobody but white males.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

Yeah, 50 years ago totally ruled.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
17. It has everything to do with the OP
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

It pines for days long ago and purports that nothing good, only "Egregious things" have happened since.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
19. In the 60s, women couldn't serve on juries
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

We couldn't get credit cards

We could get fired for getting pregnant

We couldn't get abortions or birth control


Fundamentally, the country is in a much better position in many ways vs then.

Perfect? Hell no. But the general tone of your OP is a slap on the face to the progress we have made. It may not have been your intention, but that's how it reads. And clearly others read it that way, too.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
21. I'll take the topic whatever way I see fit, thanks.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

Again, own up to the fact that your words left people with that impression.

Or don't, whatev. It won't stop me from pointing it out. I'm proud of the progress we've made and look forward to much more.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
23. My observation, you mean.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

I don't think the terms of service here dictate that the OP is the dictator of their threads. As such, I'm free to discuss whatever portion or interpretation I'd like.

Here are some kittens playing the piano.



Cuz I can.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
26. I made my point. We've had a ton of progressive victories in the past 50 years.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

It's not all doom and gloom.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
30. The corporacracy is happy to give us social victories, just as long as they gain further
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

control. Just because we gain some things doesn't mean we aren't losing.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
77. You're very dishonest. The perfect Hillary drone...deny the truth and twist the words to define
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

someone's thoughts as negative so you can attack the person for something that you, yourself conjured up. Dishonest. In. Every. Way.

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sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
83. I agree with you
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

I read the op and understood exactly what you were saying. It scares me also, I'm in my fifties and it matters more to me what will happen in the coming years.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
84. In the last several years the PTB have stolen my house, $80k in payments, and
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

my retirement. All I have left now is Social Security. That is it.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
109. I'm not a lawyer, and I can be of little to no help.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 5, 2016, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Just trying to figure out what you mean here.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
139. I hear you my friend beware the ides of May!
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

We lost everything in 09....hard times. We can still dream.

One older but wiser women!

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
43. Lol, how shall I ever sleep while your opinion of me suffers?
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

Wait, I have absolutely no idea who you are.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
117. Yes, it does. The fact that you can't see that is the problem
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:58 AM
May 2016

You can't have the politics and economics of that time without the social repression they were based on.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
128. You're not familiar with the role of many unions in keeping black workers off shop floors?
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:57 AM
May 2016

That was up through the late 1960s officially, and unofficially for quite a while after that. (Yes, some unions were better than others.)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
130. Happily. Oddly enough I just did an OP about that
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:00 AM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=myposts

The past 20 years have been much better for poor and middle class Americans than the 20 years before them were.
 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
25. I see what you mean
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

It has nothing to do with social issues and everything to do with our government being
taken over by the 1%. I'm afraid the madness is not going to stop. It started before we
had an inkling. Many of the people in Bush II's regime had written things that made my
hair stand on end when I read them and I see how they are being carried out here just
like they used to be in third world countries exclusively.

Now it appears it's our turn. If they ever put teeth into the portions of the PATRIOT Act
which are under the radar now, we'd be in a world of hurt.

I feel for you. I'm in my 50s and I worry about worse things than arthritis and prunes.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
41. I agree with this. And, seriously, I must say…
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

that my response was made while I was enjoying a 12-pounce serving of my favorite soft drink, Coca-Cola®.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
51. Remember in 1963
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

When the powers that be killed Jack Kennedy. Must have been real moral times of democratic control by the populace.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
54. Remember in 1992 When the Clintons continued the Republican tradition of destroying
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

jobs and unions? Remember when the Clintons pushed NAFTA on us? I do. Destroyed my entire community. Those chickens have come home to roost.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
59. If you want to compare what sucked more the 90s or the 60s
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

I think you are going to lose.

I mean I don't have the 1990s equivalent of this

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
68. You don't want to compare
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

Yet you say there is a new form of government. There isn't. Money has always bought influence and the powerful go to great lengths, even killing Presidents to maintain it.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
70. I want to compare this form of government to democracy, yes. The TPP and all else, as you
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

know, is slipping corporate rule into trade policy.

MineralMan

(146,358 posts)
61. So, how old ARE you?
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

I'm 70. I remember lots of stuff. Things are way better for huge segments of society. Not good enough, but way better. Maybe you're not old enough to remember. I am.

MineralMan

(146,358 posts)
64. Nonsense. It has everything to do with it.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

You may have started this thread, but you can't control how people respond.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
62. President Eisenhower warned the nation about the influence of the military industrial complex 1961
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

more than 50 years ago.

Its not something new in your lifetime.

The fake lincoln quote about corporation being enthroned began in the 1890s....

We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood…It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.


50 years ago was no picnic unless you were a white male with a get out of draft card.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
93. Yep. And corporations were declared to have the same rights as people as early as 1886.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:07 PM
May 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad_Co.

But sure, this corporate influence is a brand new thing that's all Hillary's fault!

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
69. I take it that you are
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

referring to the 2016 edition of Perkins' book.
It is scary, and the signing of the TPP and the
TTIP will conclude the circle.
It will not help to just consider the social issues,
when your work does not lead to a reasonable
kind of life.

Honestly, I think it may be too late to turn
the Titanic around.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
72. And you better believe they are looking at and salivating over
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

that big big pile of cash called Social Security. Like a pack of rabid pig-dogs.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
79. Thank you
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

Despite the people trying to hijack your thread a lot of us know exactly what you are talking about. It's very creepy. A lot of citizens on the other side of the aisle sense it too.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
95. DU2. Why to keep fighting the Good Fight.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

If you notice, all the talk up thread above on equal rights for ALL is what we -- all who believe in Democracy -- were talking about back then.

The thing you are talking about in the OP: A new type of government.

Very few talked about the change in US Government then or since or now. Someone who saw where it was all heading was Bertram Gross. The professor served FDR and the New Deal Democrats and is remembered today for his work to reduce poverty. Among his accomplishments, he helped author the Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act. Later he taught at CUNY and Wayne State University in Detroit, where he founded the Center for Urban Studies and where I learned about his work in journalism school.



Friendly Fascism

The New Face of Power in America


by Bertram Gross
South End Press, 1980, paper

EXCERPT...

Friendly fascism portrays two conflicting trends in the United States and other countries of the so-called "free world."

The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the friendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the U.S. government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere.

The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. This trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery. It is nourished by establishment promises-too often rendered false-of more human rights, civil rights and civil liberties. It is embodied in larger values of community, sharing, cooperation, service to others and basic morality as contrasted with crass materialism and dog-eat-dog competition. It affects power relations in the household, workplace, community, school, church, synagogue, and even the labyrinths of private and public bureaucracies. It could lead toward a truer democracy-and for this reason is bitterly fought...

These contradictory trends are woven fine into the fabric of highly industrialized capitalism. The unfolding logic of friendly fascist corporatism is rooted in "capitalist society's transnational growth and the groping responses to mounting crises in a dwindling capitalist world". Mind management and sophisticated repression become more attractive to would-be oligarchs when too many people try to convert democratic promises into reality. On the other hand, the alternative logic of true democracy is rooted in "humankind's long history of resistance to unjustified privilege" and in spontaneous or organized "reaction (other than fright or apathy) to concentrated power...and inequality, injustice or coercion".

A few years ago too many people closed their eyes to the indicators of the first tendency.

But events soon began to change perceptions.

The Ku Klux Klan and American Nazis crept out of the woodwork. An immoral minority of demagogues took to the airwaves. "Let me tell you something about the character of God," orated Jim Robison at a televised meeting personally endorsed by candidate Ronald Reagan. "If necessary, God would raise up a tyrant, a man who may not have the best ethics, to protect the freedom interests of the ethical and the godly." To protect Western oil companies, candidate Jimmy Carter proclaimed presidential willingness to send American troops into the Persian Gulf. Rosalyn Carter went further by telling an lowa campaign audience: "Jimmy is not afraid to declare war." Carter then proved himself unafraid to expand unemployment, presumably as an inflation cure, thereby reneging on his party's past full employment declarations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/RiseFall_Friend_Fascism_FF.html



The good professor painted an accurate picture of what was to come.



James Madison

EXCERPT...

Despite the sharp differences from classic fascism, there are also some basic similarities. In each, a powerful oligarchy operates outside of, as well as through, the state. Each subverts constitutional government. Each suppresses rising demands for wider participation in decision making, the enforcement and enlargement of human rights, and genuine democracy. Each uses informational control and ideological flimflam to get lower and middle-class support for plans to expand the capital and power of the oligarchy and provide suitable rewards for political, professional, scientific, and cultural supporters.

A major difference is that under friendly fascism Big Government would do less pillaging of, and more pillaging for, Big Business. With much more integration than ever before among transnational corporations, Big Business would run less risk of control by any one state and enjoy more subservience by many states. In turn, stronger government support of transnational corporations, such as the large group of American companies with major holdings in South Africa, requires the active fostering of all latent conflicts among those segments of the American population that may object to this kind of foreign venture. It requires an Establishment with lower levels so extensive that few people or groups can attain significant power outside it, so flexible that many (perhaps most) dissenters and would-be revolutionaries can be incorporated within it. Above all, friendly fascism in any First World country today would use sophisticated control technologies far beyond the ken of the classic fascists.

p177
Although American hegemony can scarcely return in its Truman-Eisenhower-Kennedy-Johnson form, this does not necessarily signify the end of the American Century. Nor does communist and socialist advance on some fronts mark American and capitalist retreat on all fronts. There are unmistakable tendencies toward a rather thoroughgoing reconstruction of the entire "Free World." Robert Osgood sees a transitional period of "limited readjustment" and "retrenchment without disengagement," after which America could establish a "more enduring rationale of global influence." Looking at foreign policy under the Nixon administration, Robert W. Tucker sees no intention to "dismantle the empire" but rather a continued commitment to the view that "America must still remain the principal guarantor of a global order now openly and without equivocation identified with the status quo." He describes America as a "settled imperial power shorn of much of the former exuberance." George Liska looks forward to a future in which Americans, having become more mature in the handling of global affairs, will at last be the leaders of a true empire.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Specter_FriendlyFascism_FF.html



If you can't afford to play unless your rich, it isn't democracy.

For instance, from his association with a former president, Frank got a great deal in Kazakhstan:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
The New York Times, JAN. 31, 2008

EXCERPT...

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

SNIP...

Mr. Giustra foresaw a bull market in gold and began investing in mines in Argentina, Australia and Mexico. He turned a $20 million shell company into a powerhouse that, after a $2.4 billion merger with Goldcorp Inc., became Canada’s second-largest gold company.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html


From his association with a future president, young failure and drunk George W got a great deal in Bahrain.



Harken Energy And Insider Trading

by Stephen Pizzo
Mother Jones, September / October 1992

EXCERPT...

Harken Energy was formed in l973 by two oilmen who would benefit from a successful covert effort to destabilize Australia's Labor Party government (which had attempted to shut out foreign oil exploration). A decade later, Harken was sold to a new investment group headed by New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, a partner in the firm of Quasha, Wessely & Schneider. Quasha's father, a powerful attorney in the Philippines, had been a staunch supporter of then-president Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha had also given legal advice to two top officials of the notorious Nugan Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA operation.

After the sale of Harken Energy in 1983, Alan Quasha became a director and chairman of the board. Under Quasha, Harken suddenly absorbed Junior's struggling Spectrum 7 in 1986. The merger immediately opened a financial horn of plenty and reversed Junior's fortunes. But like his brother Jeb, Junior seemed unconcerned about the characters who were becoming his benefactors. Harken's $25 million stock offering in 1987, for example, was underwritten by a Little Rock, Arkansas, brokerage house, Stephens, Inc., which placed the Harken stock offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank -- a bank that had surfaced in the scandal that resulted in the downfall of the Australian Labor government in 1976 and, later, in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. (It was also Union Bank, according to congressional hearings on international money laundering, that helped the now-notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International skirt Panamanian money-laundering laws by flying cash out of the country in private jets, and that was used by Ferdinand Marcos to stash 325 tons of Philippine gold around the world.)

SNIP...

Suddenly, in January 1990, Harken Energy became the talk of the Texas oil industry. The company with no offshore-oil-drilling experience beat out a more-established international conglomerate, Amoco, in bagging the exclusive contract to drill in a promising new offshore oil field for the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. The deal had been arranged for Harken by two former Stephens, Inc., brokers. A company insider claims the president's son did not initiate the deal -- but feels that his presence in the firm helped with the Bahrainis. "Hell, that's why he's on the damn board," the insider says. "...You say, 'By the way, the president's son sits on our board.' You use that. There's nothing wrong with that."

Junior has told acquaintances conflicting stories about his own involvement in the deal. He first claimed that he had "recused" himself from the deal; "George said he left the room when Bahrain was being discussed 'because we can't even have the appearance of having anything to do with the government.' He was into a big rant about how unfair it was to be the president's son. He said, 'I was so scrupulous I was never in the room when it was discussed.'"

Junior alternately claimed, to reporters for the Wall Street Journal and D Magazine, that he had opposed the arrangement. But the company insider says, to the contrary, that Junior was excited about the Bahrain deal. "Like any member of the board, he was thrilled," the associate says. "His attitude was, 'Holy shit, what a great deal!'"

CONTINUED...

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/harkenenergyandinsidertrading.htm



That's why keeping Wall Street and private business out of Washington and the public's business matters to Democracy. Those without money today also are without Democratic representation. What a coincidence.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
94. ....!
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

Yes...One had to be there... 's.

In spite of what they were , these days, they were Good Times...!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
97. October Surprise + Safari Club = CIA Old Boys in Power For Ever and Ever
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

For those who may not remember even a time before Reagan:

As part of the October Surprise, Poppy Bush and Bill Casey worked their Old School ties at CIA and Wall Street to do in the career of President Jimmy Carter.



From...

The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld

By Prof Peter Dale Scott
Global Research, March 10, 2014
The Asia-Pacific Journal, Volume 12, Issue 10, No. 5

EXCERPT...

The Safari Club Milieu: George H.W. Bush, Theodore Shackley, and BCCI

The usual account of this super-agency’s origin is that it was

the brainchild of Count Alexandre de Marenches, the debonair and mustachioed chief of France’s CIA. The SDECE (Service de Documentation Extérieure et de Contre-Espionnage)…. Worried by Soviet and Cuban advances in postcolonial Africa, and by America’s post-Watergate paralysis in the field of undercover activity, the swashbuckling Marenches had come to Turki’s father, King Faisal, with a proposition…. [By 1979] Somali president Siad Barre had been bribed out of Soviet embrace by $75 million worth of Egyptian arms (paid for… by Saudi Arabia)….95

Joseph Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations,… With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed… the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”.96

Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who were then forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by perhaps the most controversial of them all: Theodore Shackley.

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. … Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced.97

Kevin Phillips has suggested that Bush on leaving the CIA had dealings with the bank most closely allied with Safari Club operations: the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). In Phillips’ words,

[font color="green"]After leaving the CIA in January 1977, Bush became chairman of the executive committee of First International Bancshares and its British subsidiary, where, according to journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin in their 1992 book ‘False Profits’ [p. 345], Bush ‘traveled on the bank’s behalf and sometimes marketed to international banks in London, including several Middle Eastern institutions.[/font color]

Joseph Trento adds that through the London branch of this bank, which Bush chaired, “Adham’s petrodollars and BCCI money flowed for a variety of intelligence operations”99

It is clear moreover that BCCI operations, like Khashoggi’s before them, were marked by the ability to deal behind the scenes with both the Arab countries and also Israel.100

[font color="green"]It is clear that for years the American deep state in Washington was both involved with and protected BCCI. Acting CIA director Richard Kerr acknowledged to a Senate Committee “that the CIA had also used BCCI for certain intelligence-gathering operations.”101[/font color]

[font color="red"]Later, a congressional inquiry showed that for more than ten years preceding the BCCI collapse in the summer of 1991, the FBI, the DEA, the CIA, the Customs Service, and the Department of Justice all failed to act on hundreds of tips about the illegalities of BCCI’s international activities.102[/font color]

Far less clear is the attitude taken by Wall Street banks towards the miscreant BCCI. The Senate report on BCCI charged however that the Bank of England “had withheld information about BCCI’s frauds from public knowledge for 15 months before closing the bank.”103

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-state-the-deep-state-and-the-wall-street-overworld/5372843



From there, Ronnie was set for the role of a lifetime, what was supposed to be a bit part extended.



Through a Glass Darkly

Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991

What was surprising to me was Reagan’s condition. He was exhausted to the point of incoherence throughout much ofthe interview and could not remember the substance of any subject that had been discussed apart from Mitterrand’s expression of anticommunism. I had not seen Reagan at such close rangesince the assassination attempt nearly four months earlier, and was shocked at his condition.... Reagan simply was unable to recall the contents of the talks in which he had just participated.... The interview concluded at a signal from Deaver,who did not seem to find the president’s condition unusual.”

Thus ran Lou Cannon’s recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster,1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagan’s condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannon’s story appeared under the headline “Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as ‘Worth Its Weight in Gold.’ ” Cannon’s report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that “Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion,” but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of “aides” that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.

Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on — and no doubt confected— by Meese, Deaver,and Speakes. It is clear from Cannon’s account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannon’s memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckley’s assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like “bouncing back,” “iron constitution,” and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.

Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the WhiteHouse press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.

SOURCE in PDF form:

http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf



Somewhere in Detroit, 1980 GOP Convention:



After the election, the relationship really, ah, evolved:



George Bush Takes Charge

The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...



More details from the good professor:



EXCERPT...

NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985

The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.

The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.

[font color="red"]The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.

Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.
[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.

CONTINUED...

CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.



This all matters because there's a steady bloody red line from 1981 to the present day few write about. More would, were the nation's news media honest and lived up to their constitutional mandate. Today they may have hijacked for their own use the NSA -- what Sen. Frank Church warned us about in 1975.



Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann
The New American; June 13, 2013

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden. By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever. When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter. But there wasn't much butter: After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

Unwittingly, the Post authors exposed the real reason for the jump in profitability: close ties and interconnected relationships between top people at Carlyle and BAH, and the agencies with which they are working. The authors quoted George Price, an equity analyst at BB&T Capital: "[Booz Allen has] got a great brand, they've focused over time on hiring top people, including bringing on people who have a lot of senior government experience."

CONTINUED w Links n Privatized INTEL...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group


Wouldn't it be great to live in a democracy, a republic built on equal justice for all, though? Traitors, warmongers and banksters would be in jail instead of printing money.

Instead, we've lived ''Money trumps peace'' since the Ayatollah gave Reagan a major for the Hostages and Jimmy Carter got the boot as a failed, miserable human being. Did you know he was one of the bravest men to ever serve as President?

One would not know it, reading the newspapers or watching the tee vee, even PBS. Without you, KoKo, silvershadow, and a bunch of great DUers who care, they wouldn't know what they were missing -- especially Democracy.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
96. your OP has been hi-jacked, triangulated, and suffered from way too many deflective responses...
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

the ONLY FUCKING REASON we got any 'social' changes was because people put their asses on the line, over and over, and finally swayed not only the public but the entrenched PTB to make changes...

goddam triangulation only stalled things, trying to get the RW Repubs to go along, and thus having things drag out for years...

the fact that some 'social change' events have happened since, pick a fucking year, 1968 - 1972 - 1992 - 2000 - 2008... is because of all the effort that was put in to found the bases for those changes...by people who were not afraid of the power structure, were not willing to accept the slow changes that never would come...not because, out of nowhere, a bunch of Congressmen and a President or two decided 'lets make a major change in some of these things'...

of course, there are people whose myopic view of history precludes their ability to know and understand struggle...

yeah, how many of these posters went through the Viet Nam era THEMSELVES...?...and if any of them don't realize what the clamor in the streets, on the campuses, in towns and cities, had to do with that fucking debacle being brought to a close...well, that explains their comfort in the Third Way/DLC way of things...

it has been said, and accurately, the the Viet Nam protest was just that..a protest...it was not a movement that had any reason to sustain itself once the war was stopped...notice i didn't say 'over'....

and now, we have a fucking 'volunteer' military, which in its initial days was seen as the 'inevitable demise' of the military...and, wouldn't you know, the MIC now has people who can't get out, who can get sent to any godawful place to kill and be killed and maimed, and not too many people are in the streets because...hey, you volunteered...and that's on you...apparently...

the one redeeming thing about a military draft is that, if everyone is eligible, then EVERYONE PAYS FUCKING ATTENTION and instead of being keyboard commandos, they might actually get out in the street and stop all this bullshit...

same for the trade agreements, Wall Street bailouts, Wall Street breaking the economy, NSA spying on EVERYTHING, elections being stolen, corporations taking everything and passing all the money to the top, infrastructure failing while Congress figures out a way to cut every fucking thing that might be of benefit to the average citizen so they can help transfer wealth to the top 1%, a climate that is out of control...and endless WAR, endless killing, endless regime changing, endless growth of the military...and diminishing support for the people who are merely cannon fodder for the industrialists who profit from war...

and on and on....

yeah, 50 or 60 years ago wasn't always so great...but we went out and tried to make things change...

we didn't have the luxury of the internet, anonymous posting, don't-get-our-hands-dirty, commenting-and-complaining-and-acting-like-i'm-really-involved...criticizing those who KNOW what it takes to make this fucking monolith of a society, this cast iron government, this BATTLE between the oligarchs and the common people, this effort it takes to make even small changes...it has never been by taking baby steps and not upsetting the fucking apple cart...

those 'incremental' steps you want to take?....they will have you taking them for years and years and one day you'll notice...well, maybe, but then again, maybe not...you haven't moved one goddam step closer to where you wanted to go...

but, you will have the comfort of the lies they told you....and you can go online and reflect how it wasn't so bad after all, once you got used to it...

an old saying from the anti-war days: "if you haven't been teargassed, haven't had a cop or Guard chase you down the street and have to duck their swinging batons, if you haven't stood up to a line of them and refused to move, if you haven't been sent to jail...well hell...you are just complaining...not protesting."

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
113. +1,000,000
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

All of our recent social progress has being in spite of our party. They wanted to compromise away LBGT rights, wage increases and everyplace else we've won.

Afterward they and their minions took credit for the victory.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
123. It's not hijacking to point out your myopia
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:34 AM
May 2016

That economy whose fading whites lament was based on and empowered by those social inequalities -- white male wages started sinking in the 1970s when they no longer had every good job locked in to them alone.

And for that matter, the "corporations" have been a force for good in all of these social changes.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
125. bad premise - all wages across all races have stagnated...and you know it's not about
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

'other people' taking the white man's jobs....it's the fact that all those jobs ARE GONE....for anybody...

and some corporations have been forces for good....but how many by their own initiation, how many by coercion/submission...and how many resist, and not only continue to resist but actively fund the fight against needed changes....

white man lament....what a fucking lame condensation of the American work force's woes...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
126. Negative. African Americans have seen significant income gains over the past 40 years
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:03 AM
May 2016

Most of it in the 1990s:







Notice all three quintiles are better off today than in 1995.

It's white incomes, and white incomes alone, that have stagnated over that time:





What's really interesting is when you overlay those:



The 1990s were when black households finally "caught up" to the white quintile below them. Which may have to do with why different races seem to see the 1990s very differently.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
134. it appears to be a matter of looking a statistics from different angles
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:27 AM
May 2016

check this chart - it compares race/gender wages as a percentage of white male wages: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0882775.html





Recursion

(56,582 posts)
136. I said "caught up with the quintile below them"
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

Of course the gap is still real and still a problem, but it's closing faster than a lot of white voters like, hence the 2016 election cycle...

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
140. Standing ovation!!
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016


Best post ever thank you. Man I wish I could write like that. Everyone needs some skin in the game...I was there fighting and protesting! I remember when people took action!
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
100. Whiny Bernie-Bro who wants to lay around smoking dope and getting free stuff!
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

No, really. I'm an older guy and I'm with you. I cry for my country when I see what the Democratic party has become. The Republican party has become a nightmare and the Democratic party has become a bad dream. Neither are any good anymore. I'd love to see a seismic liberal upheaval in my lifetime but I've been waiting a long time. It won't be the Democratic party that causes it. The Democratic party likely will be buried underneath it.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
101. The party is like Mitt Romney bought it and stripped it of its' valuable assets.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

What is left is the name and the hollowed out shell of its' former self. Looks real good, as long as you don't know what to look for.

nruthie

(466 posts)
102. I understand and agree with your post.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

I don't quite understand some of the flak you're receiving about your comments. Your points were not controversial...Just true.

oasis

(49,500 posts)
112. Here's the good news. None of us are too old to get back to
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:44 PM
May 2016

the drawing board when things don't go our way.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
122. Absolutely not. I'm solidly middle class because I could get an college education without debt.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:33 AM
May 2016

By the sixties, so could minorities. All minorities were better off than pre-Civil War and are now better off than in the fifties and that will continue because it has to unless you continue to give the control, power, and money to the top. If you do, you will see your gains drastically cut back. And I sure don't know what you hated about the fifties which were not perfect. But we were a lot more focused on the common good. Perhaps you are too young to know and haven't read much history. BTW, I'm speaking domestically. Seems to me our foreign intrigues haven't changed much at all. Thanks to Clinton and Bush. Don't you just love war hawks?

You don't believe me? Check our John Roberts on race. This could cover all minorities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-north-patterson/closing-polls-and-slammin_b_9273844.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
120. Lack of institutional memory. Study Eisenhower in fifties. It is different. Few seem to know it.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:16 AM
May 2016

Carter said "oligarchy." He's old and he knows. All of us seniors do unless we stick to party loyalty out of pure stubbornness.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/big-banks-taxpayer-money-subsidy_us_572a4ebfe4b0bc9cb0458b68

Big Banks Just Claimed A Constitutional Right To A Taxpayer Subsidy

The top lobbyist for the American Bankers Association wrote a letter to the Fed last week calling the subsidy cuts “an unconstitutional taking of member banks’ property without compensation.”

“The government’s actions ... amount to a regulatory taking of member banks’ property,” ABA President and CEO Rob Nichols wrote.

You read that correctly. A bank lobbyist argued that banks have a constitutional right to free money from the government.


You can't make this stuff up.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
142. Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On ‘Legalized Corruption’
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

By: DSWright
FireDogLake.com, Wednesday January 21, 2015

While there may be confusion among some in the US as to how the American political system operates, it is apparently taken for granted by participants at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland that politics in America is based on bribery and corruption.

In an interview at Davos with Bloomberg News related to growing concerns about rising wealth inequality and its corruption influence on American politics economist and NYU business professor Nouriel Roubini stated as a matter of fact that it would be hard for the US to overcome wealth inequality because the US political system was based on “legalized corruption” which meant rich people – having more resources to bribe politicians with – would generally prevail.

Tom Keene, Bloomberg: How big is the plutocracy effect in 2015?

Nouriel Roubini: It’s significant because we are in a democracy where it supposedly has to be one man, one vote, but the reality is that those who are billionaires, those that have economic and financial power can affect legislation on taxation of capital gains, of carried interest by having that political power.

In the US we have a system of legalized corruption if you think about it. K Street and the lobbying affect legislation with the money they give the politician and therefore those who have financial resources have a greater impact on the political system than those who have less. So it’s not a true democracy, it’s a plutocracy.


This is not news to anyone paying attention. In fact, Princeton University produced an exhaustive study that made headlines demonstrating that the wealthy ultimately determine legislative outcomes in the US Congress. Add to that an experiment the progressive group CREDO and UC Berkeley ran where they offered meetings to representatives with either actual constituents or non-constituent donors with the representatives overwhelmingly choosing the donors and you certainly have a picture of a cynical system run on cash.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://news.firedoglake.com/2015/01/21/taken-for-granted-at-davos-that-us-government-run-on-legalized-corruption/#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ab=-&at_pos=7&at_tot=8&at_si=54c5412562e4586b

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
124. At least people are waking up & they are very angry
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:42 AM
May 2016

I have heard several people commenting that this may be the end of both the Republican AND the Democratic Parties as, these people contend, neither Party even pretends to represent the public good or THE PEOPLE.

randr

(12,418 posts)
141. I have assumed I have been living under a new form of government
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

since Kent State and the War on Drugs began. The Homeland Security Act just made it official.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
145. This is a very old fight
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

that has been going on worldwide since Kennedy, and before. We see what happens to people going against the system.

This time though we are all working against the clock with climate change, trying to get people aboard the Corporate Titanic to steer clear of the giant iceburg but they are all too busy partying and drunk on power to care.

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