2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWow Hillary is not going to break 40%?!??!
That's pretty bad that her message doesn't reach the working class of the rust belt. She better go back to Wall Street to see if they can get her some more money. Maybe that will help.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)so I wouldn't put too much stock in the result.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)That's pretty bad for the rest of the states, as their % just goes up and up!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Always seeing shit for sunshine.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)Nominations are secured with delegates.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And that's the fantasy Hil has sold you.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)Delegates are secured (by Hillary) with corrupt big donor money, free national media for 25 years getting low-information Democrats to vote for the name they recognize, and adopting phony progressive policies for the primary season. Congrats on that.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)Talk about talking points - throw out a buzzword when you can't answer. No talking points in the post.
Number23
(24,544 posts)being off by a delegate or 100 doesn't mean nearly as much as some folks want it to.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Bernie needs 70 percent. It's over.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)We're Appalachia.
I live in East Tennessee and spend time in western North Carolina. If you'll look at those heat maps of Bernie v. Hillary votes, you'll see this swath of votes (in the green) that now run up the Appalachian Trail in the South up through West Virginia.
Want to know about us "hillbillies?" We were against slavery. We were against the KKK. We were also considered "less than." We are mostly Irish/Native American. We are the last vestige of union workers in the South. We are FDR Democrats.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Grew up in East Kentucky. Appalachia Represent!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hillary should be my wheelhouse, but, no. She's too conservative for these times. Incremental fixes won't help climate change.
What part of Kentucky? I want to come up there and help? I'm in Knoxville.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Large part of my childhood spent in Corbin, Campton, Louisville. My parents still live in Frankfort, and I live in a displaced Appalachian zone, Dayton, Ohio.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I only wish my Dad could have lived long enough to see Bernie. My Dad was one of the original CAD-CAM operators in this county. He helped develop the Flip-Fone from the 80s for GTE! He kept losing jobs to NAFTA. He finally got tired of moving and gave up. He took a manager's job at Home Depot for half the pay just to stop moving.
He would have loved Bernie. I know because my step-Mom not only voted for Bernie in Huntsville, AL, but volunteers. It brings her closer to the memory of my Daddy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it is the gift that keeps on giving...
votesparks
(1,288 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)neither is Flint... or for that matter... the shoe leather industry in the state of Hildago in Mexico. And it is for the same reason. NAFTA.
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berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)My Uncle owned several coal mines. WV was the Dynamo for the rust belt, namely Pittsburgh steel.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yes. Northern WVa. people STILL commute to PA to work.
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strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I'm fuzzy on the details, as I've never had a chance to visit the region, but I'm sure an Appalachian DUer will be happy to fill in the blanks.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)What you say doesn't surprise me.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)if I were the Clinton campaign, I would be worried about the rust belt though. There are some similar dynamics this year over there.
And I will add this about Appalachia. It is the home of the Union movement (most folks do not know the tie of redneck to the union movement), but dang it, they have gotten it with both barrels from both the North and the South for being Scott Irish. Yes I am familiar with that history.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)They just really didn't like Obama. It wasn't that they liked her.
If we want to get into the game of that she's lost states she won last time, she's also picked up states she lost catastrophically last time.
msongs
(67,509 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Nebraska proves once again that when there is a primary and not a caucus the only Dems get to vote, Hillary wins hands down.
Remember, the people who are voting FOR Hillary now, will be voting for her in the GE. The people voting for Bernie now as a protest against Hillary will NOT be voting for Bernie in the GE should he win the nomination. It's just a fact and W.VA is only one example.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I think it's a measurable example that the rest of the South really wasn't. Most of the South was early and had VERY open primaries. I know my whole neighborhood is still sporting their Bernie gear, but I live in a very unionized side of town.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)But wasn't this one of her best states in 2008? My how things change and her supporters now smear the state
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)67% win to not even carrying a single county.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Yup. That's how far behind he is, and it got worse tonight.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Can't counter with math, so ATTACK!!!!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)A Paul T Farrell, Jr. is supposedly drawing a substantial number of the *other* total. Maybe he is really earning them. I don't know because I'm not familiar with the political landscape there. But, WV is using touch screen voting machines, which have been notorious in the past for being so poorly calibrated that votes can get tossed to another candidate whose name is next to the one the voter intended to mark.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JumpinJehosaphat
(22 posts)Majority of pledged delegates. Very doable!
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)in the remaining states to keep her win? So, didn't she double what she actually needs?
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)onenote
(42,885 posts)Suggesting that West Virginia isn't a bell weather state. Rather, it is a state in which a woman will handily defeat a black man, and a white man will handily defeat a woman.
Whoo-de-fucking-do.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Hillary will need someone running third party like Perot did.