2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAt this point, Bernie Sanders is helping Trump.
Sanders is diverting precious time and resources that could be used to go after Trump in order to continue a campaign for a nomination that cannot be won. He's driving up Hillary's negatives and giving false hope to his supporters.
Is this fatal to Hillary's campaign? No. She can overcome it, but it's a waste of time and resources.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Trump and the GOP machine are gonna chew her up.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Running two campaigns at once is monumentally stupid.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)then this is going to be a disappointing fall.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Was that when she was being accused of murdering Vince Foster, threatening her husband's alleged mistresses, seeing her husband impeached, being accused of murdering Christopher Stevens, or being interrogated for 11 hours?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)At this point, all she is to the Trump campaign is a punchline.
The GOP is the dog that didn't bark. The Cruz campaign, in particular, knows exactly what she promised Goldman Sachs and has said nothing. They'll maintain this silence on a wide array of damaging issues because they'd rather face Clinton than Sanders, and don't want to destroy her prematurely.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)If anyone is helping Trump that would be Hillary.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)and she won't do so.
Some of her supporters (?) have taken it on themselves to second guess her campaign even while they proclaim they are With Her.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Lose with some dignity.
panader0
(25,816 posts)He has gone after her Wall Street ties, and justifiably so. But Trump won't hesitate to get dirty.
HRC should drop out while there is a shred of her dignity left. Then she could concentrate on her forthcoming
legal battles.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)She is too reactionary for these times.
--imm
floriduck
(2,262 posts)nominations on their own without blaming anyone and everyone for their own failures.
Kall
(615 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Is Bernie Sanders actually that much of a visionary that his attacks on Hillary would NEVER have been thought of by Republicans. People here act like he is creating a playbook for them, since Hillary has had zero blemishes on her for the last three decades.
Give me a break. Guy is trying to save us from a huge mistake. And I agree with him.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Thanks for the endorsement!
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Obama did fine. If you're worried about her candidacy, that would indicate you understand why she is perceived as a weak candidate. Clinton supporters need to pull up their socks and let the process play out.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)The fact that Hillary is buying ads in Kentucky tells me that Hillary doesn't think the race is over.
Do you mistrust Hillary's judgment about whether the campaign is over?
If not, why are you contradicting Hillary's own assessment about the ongoing nature of the primary?
Hillary's negatives have nothing to do with Sanders and have everything to do with Clinton. Plus, if we nominate Hillary, Trump is going to attack Hillary so harshly and so incessantly and so personally, that you will look back upon the primary as the good old days.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It is a waste of time, effort and money.
Hillary should be spending her time in swing states, going after Trump. But of course, she isn't.
I hope that Bernie leaves the Democratic Party the day after the convention. Because he's not helping the party cause - defeating Trump.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Once the primaries are over, the realignment can begin. Right now, we're all wrapped up in intra-party battles. Those are about to officially end. Then, people will have to make up their minds.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)supporters and to never stop doing so.
This election will be won by Democrats being Progressive and United or by Hillary and her campaign going rightwards and losing the election.
Even the Republicans know that it is time for something different than the Corporatist, triangulating policies of the past. And if Hillary is not careful, Trump will outflank her on the Left and win the election.
Get on your party bosses to include the Bernie supporters, and we will win. Continue to shit on us, and go ever more nasty and rightward, and you will lose. Mark my words.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)has said she's an awful candidate, but it falls on deaf ears with the DNC or bust crowd. They think it is true because they want it to be true.
If she loses in November, they will blame everybody except where it squarely lies - with Hillary and the DNC telling Democrats it is Hillary or the highway. Plenty of posts lately have elucidated that thinking and it is telling. They obviously don't need Democrats (so they think).
I'm just going to say I told you so and not be happy in the slightest about it.
I'm a Democrat, I'll vote for her if I have to, but I won't be enthusiastic about doing so.
This election is going to separate the true Dems from the blue dog DNC Dems - honest, to-the-bone Dems will swallow their misgivings and vote for her, while the blue dogs have an expectation that she will win in a landslide because she has a (D) after her name, and that the core will forget the primary vote fiddling.
Personally, I won't be forgetting that any time soon. Wait until after November 2016, and there will be some new old-fangled/old new-fangled kids in town that are sick to death of the DNC wannabes infecting the Democratic party.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)in a general election.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And look, he worked hard and overcame it.
I feel certain that if little Hilly puts her nose to the grindstone and works hard to EARN the nomination, she will over come too.
Redwoods Red
(137 posts)Yesterday was Bernie's an egomaniac.
I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
matt819
(10,749 posts)The conventions haven't been held. This is all about hating the groundwork for blaming someone other than Hillary on the event of her loss in November, if she's the nominee.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)We haven't even had a convention yet.
Why does she fear the socialist Jewish fella?
With the whole "math" argument that puts a spring in many who haunt here's step and that smug smile on their faces,I can't fathom why people are in a panic or even worried that The Former First Lady can't beat the "You're Fired" guy.
I mean, with her likeability numbers so high and the fact that she has a built in group of voters that don't like her, but that is nothing to worry about. I mean, when Trump drifts left and campaigns on trade she is going to show him by moving to the right!
Secretary Clinton is so incredibly awesome that she could shoot herself in the foot without a gun.