2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHijacking of Nevada State Convention by Camp Hillary IN PROGRESS.
Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 05:33 PM - Edit history (1)
The Empire is striking back, and it's ugly.
Revised delegate count: 1693/1662, vs 1245/1149 for the preliminary count at 9:30. Even if you believe these latest delegate numbers - and I do not - they still adopted rules before over 1000 delegates were counted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4jc6h7/nevada_goes_back_to_hillary_clnton_1245/
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)Blah blah blah
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Now they're sticking with that prelim vote count, even though there are more Bernie delegates there.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)after Bernie supporters go up in flames of outrage, for days, they turn out not to be true.
Maybe skip the headaches and numbed fingers for now and just wait to see what's happening? Keeping in mind that with a lead in the delegates the expected outcome favored Hillary going in?
On February 20, caucus day, Clinton was awarded 6,440 delegates to county conventions statewide, compared with Sanders 5,785. Eight delegates were uncommitted.
From the Las Vegas Sun, a summary of the past, discussion of what happens at this convention, and the next step.
Democratic county convention: The delegates who were elected at their caucuses attended their county conventions April 2. However, not all of the delegates showed up, allowing alternate delegates to take their seats. Because about 600 more Sanders supporters than Clinton supporters showed up, Sanders had a surprise victory at the Clark County convention.
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Statewide, Sanders received 2,124 delegates to the county convention compared with Clintons 1,722.
Will that affect the outcome of the state convention? Maybe, but maybe not. The question now is how many of those delegates will turn out to the state convention.
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Democratic state convention, May 14: At the state convention, 12 delegates are allocated seven at-large delegates and five others known as PLEO delegates (short for Party Leader and Elected Official). The seven at-large delegates are divvied up based on a party preference vote at the convention. The five PLEO delegates are elected by convention goers.
That means that should the proportion of Sanders to Clinton delegates to the state convention remain the same, Sanders could expect to win four at-large delegates, while Clinton would win three. Of the five PLEO delegates, Sanders would be expected to receive three while Clinton would win two.
Including the delegates assigned based on the caucus-level presidential preference, that would bring the delegate counts to: 18 for Clinton, 17 for Sanders.
However, there also are eight superdelegates that Nevada will send to the Democratic National Convention. So far, four have declared for Clinton, one for Sanders, and the other three havent specified their preference. In Clinton's corner are: Sen. Harry Reid, Rep. Dina Titus, state Sen. Ruben Kihuen and Andres Ramirez, vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee's Hispanic Caucus. National committeewoman Erin Bilbray has thrown her support behind Sanders, and the three undecided superdelegates are state party chairwoman Roberta Lange, state party first chair Chris Wicker and DNC at-large member Artie Blanco.
So, as of now, Nevadas delegate count looks something like this (though the numbers are not set in stone): 22 for Clinton, 18 for Sanders, 3 undecided.
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Democratic national convention, July 25-28: Those 43 delegates from Nevada will attend the Democratic National Convention in July in Philadelphia. There, they will cast their vote for their chosen candidates.
Unless her trajectory changes, Clinton is expected to clinch the number of delegates needed to win the nomination. Currently, she has 1,683 pledged delegates and 522 superdelegates for a total of 2,205 out of 2,383 delegates needed for the nomination. Sanders, meanwhile, has 1,362 pledged delegates and 39 superdelegates, for a total of 1,401.
Sanders could concede before the convention, as Clinton did to Barack Obama in 2008, though he has indicated that he would not.
kiva
(4,373 posts)msongs
(67,509 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)initial charges of corruption are ALWAYS FALSE. Stay cool.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Clinton did. End of story.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Bernie supporters to overturn the caucus results in the second round, but if Hillary wins at the state level, in line with the caucuses, then it's "stealing."
Got it. #bernielogic
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)Bernie Cruz Sanders did not earn those votes and now he doesn't have them...good!
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)It was merely about delegates...and Bernie stole them...now Clinton got them back ...good for her...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)#hillyes
MattP
(3,304 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)potisok
(115 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)These are people who don't care about the rule of law. They are of the mindset of the Clintons - win at all costs.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)So much for a candidate of the people.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)Sanders, people as well as Cruz people, are low enough to steal delegates they did not earn.
Henhouse
(646 posts)https://twitter.com/phase_xii
Benjamin
?@phase_xii Benjamin
For Nevada state convention. Hillary has more supporters in the room.Benjamin added,
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
First credentials report: 1,245 Clinton delegates; 1,149 Sanders delegates. 373 Clinton alts, 326 Sanders alts.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She won with 52.6%.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)telling them they didn't have to show up?
kiva
(4,373 posts)But you know that, don't you?
MattP
(3,304 posts)What kind of twisted pretzel logic is this
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)hate waking up early on a Saturday. Hillary won Nev, Bernie camp sent fake letters to delegates saying they did not have to show up and now you cry foul. OK
riversedge
(70,482 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)When Bernie wins!
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)If anyone is cheating it would be Bernie Sanders supporters. She stopped them cold...good for her.
riversedge
(70,482 posts)Bernies Moment Has Passed http://bluenationreview.com/bernies-moment-has-passed/ #Hillary #Trump #Bernie
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...............Bernie Sanders has brought lots of good ideas and energy to the 2016 race; he has helped spread our progressive ideals. But Hillary is now the one carrying the progressive message forward.
The race will run its course, but the Bernie moment is gone.
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)it was very interesting and true.
riversedge
(70,482 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)final count later today... preliminary and not the official final count.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Found that out from the get go at our Caucus's. Harry is all in with legacy tour here. Here is what appears to his game. Hillary for Pres,Masto -Cortes as his replacement. CD 4 will go to his one time aide. CD 3 will go to another one time aide. And he is active in electing a Democrat Legislature with a Democratic Governor in 2018. This is pay back to all the Rethugs who stabbed him in the back through the years and we Bernie supporters are just to be heard that is that.
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Progressive dog
(6,934 posts)and the Bernie supporters are having conniptions again.
smiley
(1,432 posts)Get em' while their hot folks!
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Is there any state where some of you will graciously accept that Sanders lost? In the states that Hillary has lost, I don't see this kind of drama from her campaign and her supporters.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)Who would have expected a Democrat to behave as Bernie has...she won. He should have respected that win...he has no respect for democracy and rejects the will of the voters way to often for my taste.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)He is no Democrat...and I am glad. What he did was wrong.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)Bernie's continued presence in this campaign turns over new rocks every day showing how arrogant and corrupt the party has become. Pretty sickening to behold the cheating in broad daylight but we need to see it to change it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)you aren't paying close attention. The "banality of evil", as Hannah Arendt once called it.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)An elderly supporter decided not to stand up and go to the Hillary side because she knows that the way they are doing the count is wrong.
It's about fairness and democracy.
Joob
(1,065 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Good for them! Stay there all damn day and protest, protest!!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)She is that egotistical now? Or delusional?
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)smh
I have friends who are really good people who support HRC. It makes me sick that she does not deserve their money or support.