2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Hillary becoming *Gore 2000*?
What if Hillary gets the nomination
but fails to inspire voters?!?!
Will she become a lackluster
candidate who spews uninspiring
campaign rhetoric, creating a yuuuge
collective yawn, and gets destroyed
by her opponent?
The Democratic party cannot afford
another out of touch, stiff, speechifier
who cannot win an election by yuuuuge margins.
Hillary resides in a protective
political bubble, as did Gore.
Will Hillary be our Gore 2016?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Last edited Mon May 16, 2016, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)
I gotta say, in this instance, I doubt you are very flattered. lol.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Geez, that one stinks!
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Are you suggesting that Bernie should run in the GE as an independent? Gore didn't get enough votes to win. That's Gore's fault. If Hillary can't get enough votes it will be Hillary's fault. If you want to win the GE you should have picked a candidate that could win more votes in the GE.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)No one expects her to have a legitimate win in the general, especially after such a travesty of democracy from this primary.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)"I am not a crook".
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fuck Nader.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Yes, I remember president Gore!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The evidence is clear, Gore won the election and then folded.
Seems you would have been able to make the connection with the sentence that followed "Gore won". Sometimes I give people too much credit.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)and has LOST on EVERY level
since then.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Why is it that when people are really wrong they type in caps. Many in the party wanted to fight like hell for that election. I understand why you missed that aspect. The CBC was front and center.
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)So if Clinton captures the nomination via a rigged nominating system and Trump wins are you going to blame Bernie Sanders?
Nothing but excuses for Hillary, the former Senator from Wall Street.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)must've not had much fight in them.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)I've looked in history books and have yet to see a President Gore. Can you direct me to one please?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There was a great highlight though. We all got to see how much of a fucking moron Nader and the two parties are the same crowd really are. That was about all the good that came out of it. Highlighting those idiots.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Bush stole the election. I thought the facts around that were well known. I stand corrected. Fuck Nader and the both parties are the same idiots. That really is the only thing positive that came out of it. Proof of their absolute stupidity.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)you must've been pretty worked up to avoid reading such a short post.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)And yes, Trump will stomp her into dust!
The DNC/DWS are getting good
at turning voters off.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...by stopping the counting of uncounted votes.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)the ballots that is called an "appointment". Gore won the popular vote. If you were to take Florida and split the electoral votes in half, Gore wold have won. The only way that Bush could be President of the United States would be if the counting of the votes could be stopped.....and they were.
It was later confirmed that Gore would have "won" the election.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)in a stocking at Christmas time...no wonder all the young people vote for Bernie, and shun Hillary like the plague.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"Don't you know there are multinational corporations that need subsidizing?! Leave this to the grown ups. Oh, and you'd better stop being selfish and vote for me."
intheflow
(28,521 posts)The corporate Dem candidate hand picked by the DNC so the party wouldn't appear "too liberal". It was Leiberman on the ticket that siphoned so many people to vote Nader and make the vote close enough that the SCOTUS could give it to the Republicans.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The point is Gore was uninspiring
and could not capture a decisive victory.
Hillary would be a redux of Gore 2000
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)I think you owe Al Gore an apology.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The damage this time would be along generational lines: the millennials will abandon the party.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)...He exudes a lack of credibility."
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/21/local/me-40021
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)If anything, they're more favorable.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Trump has confounded expectations before. I was wrong as were many when I discounted his chances in the GOP primary. However the general is different. If someone can show me how he can receive > 65% of the white vote I would like to see how.
The last CNN nat'l poll had him losing the non-white vote 81-15 !!! That is mind boggling.
TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)but, as you noted, the primaries and the GE are two very different things. He's outdone expectations before, but this is the big dance.
I'm not sure there's any way to get the math to work for him if he loses 80% of the Latino vote, 90% of the black vote, and 55-60% of the female vote. Electorally, it looks just as bad.
While I'm ever-so-cautiously optimistic, I think there's a fairly decent chance that this is a massive blowout. A lot depends on GOTV and not getting complacent.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Gender is binary so if he loses women 60-40 he has to win men by a larger percentage as more women vote than men.
Anything is possible. That's why oddsmakers make odds and people bet on them.
TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)Hillary won't make the same mistake. President Obama is pretty clearly just waiting for her nomination to get involved.
Besides, Gore did pretty well - won the popular vote - considering how many of his fellow Dems badmouthed him all the time.
Hell, they're still badmouthing him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)In fact 84 would be a lot closer!!!
You are looking at an electorate that could possibly be 30-33% non white.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,387 posts)Then the next president is chosen by the decision of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
No problem there, right?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She probably couldn't win against anybody normal.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Hillary is going to L O S E.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)...would it matter?
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Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary will be Hillary.
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