2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJon Ralston: Business NV State Democratic Chairwoman Oversees Targeted by Sanders Supporters
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 11m11 minutes agoThe Berners have not just gone after NV Dem Chair @rlange w/ugly voicemails and texts; they even went after the business she oversees.
Irate Berne Sanders supporters did not just leave threatening voicemails and texts for state Democratic Party Chairwoman Roberta Lange but also launched an assault on the businesses she oversees, the owner says...
"Beginning about 3am on Sunday morning our bartenders at Porchlight Grille began getting non-stop phone threats from Bernie partisans," Gallagher told me via email. "The level of threats including death threats and vitriol was astonishing. One of our bartenders was actually a Bernie supporter and was stunned at the threats he was hearing on the phone. He began to respond telling people that he was just trying to do his job and pay off his student loans and their tactics were harming his livelihood. It made no difference to the callers. Their goal was to harass and as became clear....to shut down the business and Robertas job with it..."
"At one point on Sunday before we unplugged the phones, I took a turn at answering and experienced such a nasty call that a Metro officer who happened to be in the tavern as a customer picked up the call and attempted to encourage the woman to stop, explaining that what she was doing was unlawful harassment," Gallagher told me. "It made no difference. She actually responded that it was her right of free speech."
From Gallagher:
"The Porchlight website and Facebook page were similarly attacked with threats, including by someone who set up a fake 'Roberta Lange' ID on Facebook and then posted on the Porchlight Facebook page incredibly slanderous attacks against both Roberta and her husband Ken, including a post by the so-called 'Roberta Lange' that accused her husband Ken of crimes against children!"
Gallagher then said people began posting negative reviews of the business on Yelp "claiming all kind of bad experiences. On the Google site for the tavern someone posted that it was permanently closed! We have so far been unable to get Google to correct this. Needless to say our business has been affected negatively. In 50 years in politics I have never seen stuff like this."
read: https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/business-state-democratic-chairwoman-oversees-targeted-berners
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 15h15 hours ago
@rlange9: Its been threatening messages, threatening my family, threatening my life, threatening my grandchild.
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 13h13 hours ago
A sample of texts sent to state Dem boss @rlange9 after the convention.
https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)NV DNC vs. BS Campaign (possible)
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is approval.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)So many good people support what Bernie's campaign meant for them. This must be hard on them, but it is also important for them to be sure that what they are doing continues to be the right thing. Their principles and goals, of course, won't change.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)That's the shit they do trying to spin it and makw Bernie look bad. That said, Americans who find Lange's actions reprehensible have every right to protest her business as long as it's done so in a legal manner.
bigtree
(86,024 posts)...and see how many people outside of this Bernie Bubble believe that Clinton ops would disrupt a convention they've already won, or threaten state pols to try and make her rival 'look bad' when she's already wiped the floor with him in this primary and is focusing most of her time and rhetoric on Trump and virtually ignoring Sanders.
No one in this successful campaign would waste their time on such boorish and juvenile delinquent behavior. The accusation sounds like something a child might claim. Where are the fucking progressives in this supposedly progressive campaign of Sanders'?
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Pull your head out.
bigtree
(86,024 posts)...or the way you choose to converse.
Blocking you.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Makes sense...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It maybe just maybe we could stop with the verbal threats of violence and/or death.
I know... Small request.
apnu
(8,761 posts)Just want to know where you stand on that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I am not surprised you countenance threats aimed at her, her grandchildren, and the employees of the business she owns.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)And I never threatened anyone so correct your post now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)And I didn't say you engaged in the behavior being discussed. I said you countenanced it.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Do you or do you not countenance threats aimed at Roberta Lange, her grandchildren, and the employees of the business she owns?
Thank you in advance.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)it is truly an act of self defense as defined by legal statute. Is that clear enough for you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)As one who has done countless number of Caucus's in another State,this time around we brought in many newcomers to the process. Which is fantastic. We are dealing with a new paradigm with less civility and decorum. People and their behavior are reflective of our present day Society,and we are seeing this play out at public meetings or events.
Do not condone any of these threats against Ms. Lange,totally uncalled for,and if they are coming from any Democrat,they need to be found out and a example made and prosecuted. People need to know they will be found.
bigtree
(86,024 posts)from the General Counsel, Nevada State Democratic Party:
The explosive situation arose in large part because a portion of the community of Sanders delegates arrived at the Nevada Democratic State Convention believing itself to be a vanguard intent upon sparking a street-fight rather than attending an orderly political party process. Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the progress of any convention business for much of the day.
Indeed, every point during which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and any other speaker. In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more than 12 hours. Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day. To the great embarrassment and revulsion of the vast majority of attendees, Sanders delegates crowded the dais and shouted down universally-respected U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer of California, who had arrived as a guest of the party to deliver a keynote address in support of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos it did much to create and nothing to diminish or mitigate. It was clear to the NSDP that part of the approach by the Sanders Campaign was to employ these easily-incensed delegates as shock troops to sway the convention proceedings. At the very least, these delegates became a way for the Sanders Campaign to seek the advantage of disruption at any particular moment while trying to disavow any responsibility for their actions even as it was ongoing. At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little more than shrugs and smirks.
The most egregious instance of the Sanders Campaign inciting disruptionand yes, violencecame as the State Conventions Credentials Committee completed its work. Adam Gillette, part of National Delegate Operations Team for the official Sanders Campaign, drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary, inaccurate, and wholly unauthorized minority report charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility. The final delegate count had provided the Clinton Campaign with a 33 delegate advantage in the hall; one can imagine the rage occasioned by this inflammatory charge, tossed into the tinderbox of a tense convention hall. Not only did this discredit the work of the Credentials Committeewhich featured five Sanders delegates and five Clinton delegates and a Sanders co-chair, and who worked all day under extremely trying conditions to be fair and diligent in their dutiesit called into question the entirety of the proceedings because it indicated to an irrational minority that the proceedings had been rigged against them. Forcing their way onto the dais to deliver this paranoid fantasy of fraud and delegate theft was clearly intended to throw the proceedings into disarray.
It succeeded. From that moment on, there was little hope for any peace or mutual understanding and respect between Sanders delegates and the NSDP; the mantra became simply that the convention had been stolen from the Sanders Campaign. Never mind that six of the 64 potential Sanders delegates referenced had been seated after investigation, or that most of the remaining 58 potential delegates had been disqualifiedappropriately, and by a panel evenly split between the campaignsfor not being registered Democratic voters in Nevada. Never mind that the same Credentials Committee had disqualified Clinton delegates for various reasons as well. Never mind, further, that just eight of those 64 potential Sanders delegates even attempted to register for the State Convention. All that mattered was the creation of a narrative of fraud and dispossession, which the Sanders Campaign fomented intentionally for its own political gain. This was an unconscionable act by an official Sanders Campaign representative, with full knowledge of its likely impact on the convention.
read more: https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/nv-democrats-file-complaint-against-sanders-campaign-dnc
Carissa WomanCard ?@bluelyon
On the left, patient @HillaryClinton supporters. On right disruptive Sanders supporters. #nvdemconvention
floriduck
(2,262 posts)indication by a voice vote. That was refused and should not have been. And the state party knew it scheduled the convention on UNLVs graduation day so it could eliminate those college students.
Minority Reports are allowed by the rules and Roberta denied their request. You can call it what you want but ramroding is the perfect description for what the state party establishment did. You may not like hearing it, but it happened.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)It was the greatest win for democracy since Gettysburg.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I would say what I find you to be but my post would be hidden. Therefore I will just have to leave it to your fertile imagination what I would say in the absence of such constraints.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)bigtree
(86,024 posts)...I really don't care if you agree.
Hillary Clinton won Nevada in Feb.. The Sanders campaign deliberately disrupted this convention in an attempt to reverse the results of that caucus in an amazingly elitist and establishment oriented fashion.
There is NOTHING to defend about the behavior of the Sanders supporters involved; not at the convention, nor afterward when they were threatening this NV pol and her family.
See, floriduck, no matter what you want to spin about the events of that day, your campaign's supporters went so far over the edge that you've lost the ability to communicate whatever grievance you might have had. The Sanders campaign doesn't get a platform for their complaints after that sordid performance. We're not listening to the voice behind all of that violent behavior. Not listening, and anxious for your campaign to just go away.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)They tried to subvert the will of the people and were foiled and now are acting like the aggrieved party. It is akin to the kid who kills his parents and asks the court for leniency because he or she is an orphan.
bigtree
(86,024 posts)...reminds of the data theft and the ensuing lawsuit against the Democratic Party they just now dropped ... not so coincidentally, at the same time investigators concluded that they did, indeed, steal campaign data.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Although they claimed the cheese on the Hillary Platter was made with 1% milk, it was very oily and smelled like dirty money.
When I asked where my Bernie Sandwich was, they changed their closing time and kicked everyone out.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)Or so they claim.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It shows people phone numbers and that isn't okay.
Don't sink to that level.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Those threats are Tony soprano stuff !!!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)except you get to blame DWS for there being no tomatoes, punch the waiter, and then sue them for getting in the way of your fist, hoping the judge will force them to start serving porterhouse.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)They threatened her life and the lives of her grandchildren:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/plk8x3hugdasxl4/AABtyUqg1UXol-hVRRBVTwFFa?dl=0
I will exonerate you in advance. That is surely not what you meant.
MineralMan
(146,358 posts)That sucks big time. Here's the Facebook page for the Porchlight Grille in Las Vegas:
https://www.facebook.com/porchlight.grille
Here's the Porchlight Grille's Yelp review page:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/porchlight-grille-las-vegas
Check it out for yourself.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)She should be threatened with removal. Bernie Nevada voters should be plotting to take over the state party.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I thwarted Democracy and now I'm paying the consequences for it.
It's hard to feel sorry for this woman. The candidate she supports has LITERALLY sent people's children and grandchildren to die in illegal wars and now the party is foisting her down our throats.
All she fucking had to do is allow a motion to be voted on. That's it. How hard is that?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Good luck to you with this strategy in the GE. It's a sure winner.