But if any Establishment Corporatist Democrats want to try ....

By all means waste your Corporate Donor's money

Damn him and his prescience.

my daughter was a baby and I cut the pull cord off a doll so I didn't have to hear the same thing all day long.

As for Bernie, whatever. The people of VT have kept him for a long time, so presumably they're satisfied with him. How he behaves from here on out and whether he returns to VT with his image intact might determine whether they finally choose to replace him, though.

gonna be a whole different thing.....btw, remember in 2006 when bernie got all that evil corporate HillPac money? Not gonna happen again.

Obviously. Dream your fevered silly revenge dreams. Btw, VT is the state where your dear Hillary is least liked. And Bernie won 85% of the vote in the Vermont primary even with our guv, pat Leahy and other superdelegates endorsing her. Bernie is now even more beloved by rank and file dems now.

Sanders has a 83% approval rating in Vermont. That's the highest rating of any senator. The people that know him, love him.

If she can be threatened, then some guy that just recently parachuted into the party certainly can be.

"Highest approval rating of any senator.", don't you understand? Lol

and cut off any federal pork going to Vermont.
Then get started early on a negative campaign and bring up Janes involvement
in Burlington College closing.

Find another popular Vermonter...say Howard Dean to run against him.

Bernie will have POd Democrats in his
own state by his slash and burn tactics.
Even more so if Trump wins.

Bernie is vulnerable.

You think they should cut off federal dollars to Vermont because of Sanders. What about Clinton's close allies Leahy, Dean, and Shumlin? I think they'll have something to say about it.

I'd be willing to bet Vermont pays more in taxes than it receives from the federal government.

Pat Leahy is the longest serving dem in congress. He is a force in the Senate. He endorse Hillary in 2014.

And sorry, I know my state and the dem party here. They won't run anyone against Bernie.

And you are in la la land if you think Bernie is vulnerable.

Nor do you have any say or pull in the matter.

You are just shaking your fist at the clouds.

You could put Presidential campaign sums into such a run and he would still win. Dude is a political monster in VT.

Not to mention that it would look petty and small. Let him return to his back bench and rely on his generally very good voting record.

and the DNC would look like imbeciles for wasting resources on such folly.

I'm hugely disappointed with his campaign and his supporters have proven. . . unpleasant, to say the least. That being said, some windmills aren't worth the tilting. The guy only has a couple years left in him. Wait it out.

on calling the party rigged all the way to the convention.

Supporter willing to not bote or vote for trump. And bernies actions in fighting to the convention.

of yourself.

I think he's going for the record.

There is another Hillary supporter who has 22 hides in just over 2 months.

Amnesty freed double-downers have carte blanche, it would seem.

I can't believe that person can still post.

Things to remember when my membership is up.

The Third-Way Blue Dogs that own and manage this website are Pro-Hillary, plain and simple.

there are a few Bernie supporters who are racking up quite a few hides.

Nothing, however, compared to the depth, breadth and nastiness shown by posters like the one I cited.

is to run a third and fourth party candidate just to his left and right and that would elect a Republican.

he always has to spend 50x what his opponents do to win. IIRC

Member since: Mon May 16, 2016, 07:02 PM
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when exactly did Sanders register as a Democrat? Oh, wait, he didn't.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-still-registered-independent-despite-claims-hes-democrat-life/

He's not a registered party member.

he barely won the VT Dem primary for president with only 86% of the vote. Boy I'd some of what you're smoking!

You guys are a riot in your clueless way.

Why are you lying?

...obviously don't live in Vermont.

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

and why does he have the highest approval rating in the Senate.

that has fellow dems salivating. And btw, he has never been a back bencher.

You really think Sanders was allowed to run as a Democrat without contracts specifying what the DNC has rights to? You think he hasn't already contractually sold away both his data, and his ability to run as an independent?

Remember Vermont has open primaries and anyone can take a Democratic ballot. He is very popular here even among people who know him very very well.

In fact, yesterday, I was at a talk on politics where the audience should have been Hillary's strongest constituency. Jewish women, mostly over 60, there was more concern about Hillary and her team not being gracious winners than Bernie, who ultimately will do what he said he would do --' fight Trump.

Okay then.

The concern was their children or adult grand children and what they were hearing from them. They were speaking of the independents who Bernie won over as well, not themselves.

He's the one who is trying to save it. From itself.

a party that he only recently joined. While some Democrats have similar views, as a party they like well thought out plans that have a chance to work in the world we find ourselves...and someone who doesn't come with all that baggage. No one wants a member who has followers who are thugs.

And while Sanders may have only recently joined the party I find that his views, actions, and votes are more in line with the Democratic party than those of his opponent.

Unless, of course, you think that the party should be adopting the support of fracking, trade deals that send our jobs overseas, regime change and no fly zones, getting cozy with Wall Street, opposing Glass Steagall, free college for all, and healthcare for all. Because, last I saw these things are commonly found on the GOP platform...

I hope, as a Bernie supporter, that wasn't too thuggish for you.

I didn't realize that the republican party platform (which apparently only you have read...it's REALLY long and boring, and has no relevance to the real world) contains support for "free college for all, and healthcare for all".

You are also getting your talking points from someone who does not look into nuance, particularly of things like trade agreements. Most economist agree that the U.S. economy has benefited from all the trade deals made in the 90s, even though there were some unintended negative consequences. Another nuance...we can't just stop our dependence on natural gas cold turkey. We have nothing to replace it with. I guess we could try and dig up more coal, or increase trade for middle east oil. Yes, it would be great if we could move more quickly to develop clean energy, but right now we need natural gas. I won't even go in to "regime change and no fly zones" since that is clearly something that every pacifist who gets into office rapidly changes their views on...I guess once you hear secret CIA briefings, there is more reason to take some action that would otherwise be unexplainable.

BTW, I agree that Sanders supporters are starting to be seen as thugs by the wider population. Here on DU, we have known that for quite some time.

After listing the things that the Hillary is in favor of I began listing the things that she and the party, in general, are opposed to. So, yeah, the list is accurate and it contains things you would find on a typical gop platform. Unless you think the gop opposes fracking, regime change, or Wall Street, Citizens United, etc. Or that the gop supports Glass Steagall, free college for all, or healtchare for all. Please, if you have information that contradicts this, feel free to share it.

Unintended consequences for the trade deals? You mean like jobs outsourced overseas? Yeah, that would be a big one. You'd think Hillary would have learned that lesson leading up to the TPP. You'd think she'd have learned a lot of things, but apparently not.

Oh, and regarding fracking, nobody is saying "hey, let's power our cities with rainbows and unicorn farts." But there is a point where you have to make some tough short term decisions (both politically and economically) for the benefit of everyone and the planet in the long term.

I suspect that thin skinned Hillary supporters who don't like the pushback against her coronation see those who speak their mind with passion and conviction may seen those people as thugs. I do not.

equally in our population.

The wealthier have received in net all the benefit and there has been a redistribution of income and wealth away from the middle class and those below to the wealthy and international.

The growth supposedly due to the trade agreements may be solely attributed to the general rise in economy due to population, technical advances, and war spending and not specifically the free trade agreements. The free trade agreements are less flexible and amenable to addressing environmental issues such as fracking or climate change.

One could also argue that free trade agreements as a model are different from free trade agreements in practice and more attention should be given to the concept of fair trade.

You are smearing to call Sanders supporters thugs at DU, the media, or elsewhere.

Member since: Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:56 PM

And you are a republican?

Whining about 'big taxes' on the wealthy sounds so Republican.

Is that on my Republican viewpoint bingo card? Why yes it is!

LOL. Welcome to DU

they were infiltrating Methodism to save it from itself.

If Bernie believed in Methodism he would have become a Methodist long ago and worked to improve the church from within AS A METHODIST.

I think you'd better consider that Bernie's wish to open the liberal-dominated Democratic Party wide open reveals an intent to weaken its ability to protect itself from takeover by outsiders. This is only a tactic as old as mankind, certainly thousands of years older than city gates.

Bernie is undoubtedly very aware that radical movements can draw support from reactionaries on the far right and that successful coalitions, even if brief, can become large enough to take over a government, or just a party. Of course, the trick has always been which faction then rousts the other.

In any case, the notion that we have no principles or goals of our own to protect is foolish beyond imagining and he'll fail. But every organization can use a little shaking out of institutional torpor, and it's likely that his push will cause us to make some changes we should have anyway.

Btw, right on schedule, after giving Bernie an initial 3-delegate statement of severe disapproval and thus leaving enormous room for "generous" concessions, our pros in the DNC are putting some more of his sympathizers on the platform committee. Gee, who'd'hv guessed?

If he is the reason trump wins in November...an angry old socialist and his mob...

Have a better record.

don't want your tax dolars be spent on perpetual wars, bombing brown Muslims kids...

They are such a nuissance to the neo-libs who cozy more up to drug launderers and fraudsters on Wall Street rather than the PoC their policies have sent to prison for non violent "offenses".

A bunch of white people drunk on booze and power seeking to play god over other people at the same time as they want to let corporations run wild, thinking that the Waltons and the hedge fund managers work so much harder than anybody else.

Those pesky "sociaists" you despise so much, (I presume you have the same contempt for social democratic Nordic countries and its people ike you have for Bernie supporters) are the ones emobdying progressive values. Hillary embodies double talk and Wall Street corruption. And illegal wars as well as secretly undermining her boss by sectrety supporting a RW military coup. Which makes her not a leftie. Not a progressive.
It makes her republican.

You see, terms have a meaning, and not just a label you can put on yourself for convenience while advocating ideals anthithetical to what one claim to sail under.

There are two running candidates in the democratic race. One has been demonized by corporate media...The other one has been at the 3rd wedding of the most disgusting republican candidate this side of Eden.

If Hilary manages to steal the nomination the way she has done so far, I wonder how you expect the "angry socialist mob" you demonize to give a corporate war monger with no empathy for the people her policies have harmed their vote. You really think that people are going to fall in line on order because Barbra Boxer said so?

Hilary and her ill informed and stubborn supporters can blame themselves on any loss. They can blame their dirty tactics and faux outrage stealing the headlines rather than focus on the real issue: The deep seated corruption of Hillary and DCL.

And believe I could care less for socialists...anarchist and extremist either on the left or the right....sanders promises what he can never achieve and HE KNOWS that....he is caught up with his own ego and can't/won't find the way...

Representing ideals that seeks to disenfranchise 40% of the entire voter population since their litmus test for party loyalty is the same as loyalty to a candidate deep in the pocket of criminal bankers.

So you obviousy have no Right to blame the social democrats that Bernie brought to the party when you care more about RW politics than progressive ideals.
But then again, your attitude towards socialism doesn't surprise me. I experienced it as an exchange student in Kansas. I p0resume that political ignorance is not something that just goes for Kansas rednecks, but also corporate democrats who think that hedge fund managers are more valuable to society than a factory worker.

So tell UK, Scandinavia, France and a dozen of other countries you seem to not give a shit about living In a fantasyland of unicorns.,
What is the same as believing in unicorns is the notion that 'hillary does not owlet the money from Wall Street or any other large donor dictate her policies.

I don't expect you to understand this. Since your Americana indoctrination often lasts a lifetime and becomes more extreme as you grow older.

The only extremists in the democratic party are hillary bots who makes excuses for her trying to make her look like some defenseless victim having to face a real challenger who are unlike the entire Hilary campaign deeply corrupt by corporate money.

At least we know now that your education lacks some basics regarding pol. sci.

Good luck with the studies. You are more thanh welcome back when you have passed the exam. Until then, I suggest you try to learn and listen to people who knows more than you about these things.,

Just a friendly advice


Why is Hilary trying to reach out to Bush donors rather than Bernie supporters? Because she and her voters more shares the values of neo-cons than liberals?

And why did Hilary run a pro-gun campaign in Pennsylvania right after smearing Bernie with Sandy Hook, painting herself as an avid gun hater in CT?

Why did DNC try to swiftboat Bernie on his civi rights record, trying to pain him and his supporters as racists?

Why does Hillary bros cry sexism every chance they get when their candidate is caught double talking or linked to the same trough as republicans?

He's providing a challenge to the frontrunner that has the support of millions of Democratic party members -- just as Hillary herself did in May 2008 and Bill Bradley, Gary Hart, and Jesse Jackson did in previous Democratic primaries. We can't both brag about having a big tent and then seek to silence a large minority of those we purport to include; that would make us Republicans.

And he's right about the DNC. I've been a registered Democrat for 45 years, and at this point the craven corporate bias and sheer incompetence of the DNC makes me want to leave the party. (The only reason I won't, frankly, is that I vote in DC, where the Democratic primary is the de facto election.)

It's obvious that you don't know Bernie's history.

The people in his home state know less about him than you. mmm hmmm

I see telling truth as a challenge, but not harm. Go do your thing.

Well, the primary isn't over just yet - first off.. Secondly, if the establishment was so brazen to even attempt it.. he (Bernie) would be so well funded that I would feel sorry for the corporate shill that they would send to the slaughter.. kinda

I don't think it would matter. Vermonters love Bernie.

More flamebait. No surprise.

Looks like tptb of the Democratic Party have well-brainwashed their 'followers.'

What a weird thread.

He has done well representing them and votes with dems most of the time. I don't think he will be so childish as to start regularly caucusing with republicans. Then again, I never thought he would delve into his current and highly unethical behavior.

I would like to see him challenged by a well funded democrat. That is always good and will force him to stay honest. Get back to being honest I should say.

There are lots of reasons, Bernie is so beloved. For one thing, his constituent services are and always have been outstanding. Bringing home the bacon isn't up there as a reason for his support.

Bernie is passionate about farming and farming here in its many forms, is iconic in this state.

And there isn't a credible democrat in the state who would be idiotic enough to challenge Bernie. Period.

And hilly is still an unethical, lying corrupt, dirty pol

He has done well representing them and votes with dems most of the time. I literally said that in my post.

"And hilly is still an unethical, lying corrupt, dirty pop."

You are supporting someone who is currently and publicly attempting to subvert the will of the voter. Fomenting hate and death threats. Four individual users, twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded, Clinton and O'Malley cleared. Lying and dishonest emails being put out by the true head of the campaign, Weaver.

I get that you think you come from a position of moral superiority in who you support. It appears that I am more educated on Sanders history. I know. I know. You are friends with him and from Vermont. lol.

I literally said he was a good representative of the people of Vermont. You went off on a rant that looks like it wasn't even suppose to be to me.

Better yet, move to VT and run against him yourself and see how quick the DNC turns to support your endeavors.

Fuck that stupid asswipe.

for corporate policies. Gotta keep the money flowing into party coffers.

Bernie is hugely popular here. You actually think the possibility of a dem running against him is a threat?

Bwahaha.

That is just your fevered fantasy.

Thank goodness I'm not as ignorant of MA politics as you are about Vermont.

...to Vermont, find a Democratic Party candidate to run against Bernie, and then work for and fund that candidate's run against Bernie.

Put your own ass and your own money on the line, b-bean, for your convictions.

shit about vermont,.calling for a dem challenger, are amusing.

Not to mention that hilly can't win without him.

I can see why you might not like him.

If only that had been the case all along.

family members of elected officials.

Is a site dedicated to progressive reform.

And did you rail against him when he caucused and voted with the Dems all those times?

You guys are fucking hilarious.

I blocked a Facebook friend from Oregonwho was fucking screaming for Tammy Baldwin to be harassed and voted out for supporting HRC. Fuck that ignorant asshole.

Okay guys, primary Bill Clinton, primary Jimmy Carter, primary Barack Obama, primary Joe Biden, etc.

Bring it on!

She's one of the best, most liberal politicians who's ever existed. My state has a fuckton of wads, she's not one of them. The threats and harassment of her and others like her is inexcusable.

Here in WA, we have a situation where the state caucused for Bernie by 45 points but the SDs are almost all for Hillary. Talk about subverting the will of your constituents!

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I've always felt that it is appropriate to wait until the final pledged delegate counts are known before lobbying supers. Even if GDP is usually too toxic for me to post that with frequency. And notice I used the word "lobbying," not "threatening."

He's a caucus vote, and there's no sense spending any money trying to unseat him.

Something to look forward to.

Thanks.

But I believe that at this points the democrats are going to run the strongest candidate they can find against him

There's a reason the VT Democratic party has just endorsed Sanders instead of running their own candidates. If you're unaware of it, you should probably spend more time researching instead of acting out of your hurt feelings.