2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMale Hillary supporter assaulted a woman because she supports Bernie - THAT'S violence
Shameful behavior.
VIOLENT behavior.
Violent behavior that is DOCUMENTED.
Violent behavior that is NOT a lie or propaganda intended to smear a good person's supporters for political gain.
This is atrocious behavior. People need to check themselves when it comes to physically assaulting a woman as a male just because they don't support your chosen candidate.
Lying about violence is not a game. Anyone who keeps catapulting that propaganda against Bernie supporters needs to think long and hard about where they left their integrity.
'The Wire' Star Bloodied for Hillary Clinton in Alleged Assault Mug Shot
It appears Wendell Pierce got just as good as he gave in his alleged fight with a Bernie Sanders supporter in Atlanta ... now that we see his mug shot.
TMZ broke the story ... "The Wire" and 'Odd Couple' star got arrested and booked for battery Saturday when he -- a staunch backer of Hillary Clinton -- got into it with a woman who's voting for Sen. Sanders.
Pierce allegedly pushed the woman's boyfriend, then went after the woman ... grabbing her hair and smacking her in the head.
It's clear in the mug shot -- Wendell has scratches on his nose and upper lip. His reps have been silent since the arrest.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/16/wendell-pierce-assault-arrest-mug-shot-hillary-clinton/
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Two couples were involved in the argument, and Pierce has scratches on his face. Why are you deciding that the black guy was the only one at fault?
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132
The Atlanta Police Department only confirmed Sunday that Pierce was arrested but did not release details about the incident, which it said "did not rise to anything significant."
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)You have no shame.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)HillBillies in action.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)pinskinny
(82 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Maybe it won't be Sanders' supporters.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And one of them actually said this incident should have only one OP about it, that's it. But look at all the OPs about no actual violence at all from the Hillary fans.
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Response to cui bono (Reply #10)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Huey: "How do you not know CPR?"
Granddad: "I tried to learn CPR, but they wouldn't let me... 'cause i was black!"
Huey: "What?"
Granddad: "Oh sure nowadays y'all can just run around and learn CPR whenever y'all want to. Just go 'round, saving lives, resuscitating each other willy-nilly! But when I was a young man it used to be against the law to teach colored folks CPR, okay?"
Huey: "...Man that's not true!"
frylock
(34,825 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)So have you never seen an OP about anyone having been arrested? Have there only been OPs about people actually being convicted?
You are trying very hard to make this about me, but it's not. It's about a Hillary supporter, a male, who was arrested for physically assaulting a woman. This was actual violence. Not the made up smear about Nevada chairs.
I really am wondering why you are making this about race though? Not done with that smear? That was from so long ago. Is that why Hillary supporters keep using the term ""thug" when referring to Bernie supporters? That one is a real head scratcher since it's been considered a racist dog whistle for so long on here, yet Hillary supporters are using it all over now. It doesn't make sense to me, can you explain why that is?
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)And you are doing it all over the board now. No one else has brought up race, I know I sure didn't.
There is no reason that I can see to bring race into this.
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Black people are more likely to be falsely accused and falsely arrested.
And seeing the headline of your OP and many reactions to it just confirms that fact.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And at a time when Hillary supporters are trying so damn hard to make Bernie supporters out to be violent, to the point of completely lying and making up the violence that never existed in the first place.
I can't believe that again, such a serious issue as racism is being exploited for political gain. No shame.
SMH
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treestar
(82,383 posts)Either way, Bernie supporters have forgotten about the innocent until proven guilty thing. You know, that's part of our legal system?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)is made up bullshit designed to be used as a smear campaign.
Are you posting about that too? I'd like to see what you've said about it.
And as I asked the other poster - who is trying to slander me - what's wrong with posting a story about an arrest? S/he seems to think only stories about actual convictions are posted on DU. We all know that's not true.
The only reason that person brought up race was in an attempt to smear/slander me. It sickens me that Hillary supporters just will not stop exploiting such a serious issue as racism in their zeal to score political points. That is despicable. And you just jumped right on that train in your other post.
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kiva
(4,373 posts)Post a pic of a white Bernie supporter who has assaulted a Hillary supporter. To make it fair, include arrested, witnesses and actual assault, not a raised chair or phone calls. I promise you I'll say they were wrong also.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)rather than the mere claim that one did.
Or even a picture of Wendell Pierce with a chair raised in a threatening manner over his head.
kiva
(4,373 posts)OK, I'll play. Show me an arrest of a Bernie supporter assaulting a Hillary supporter.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Please posts your requests to see the video (that doesn't exist because it never happened) of the chair being thrown. And whatever else Hillary supporters are calling "violence".
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dchill
(38,626 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)are involved in an argument?
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132
imari362
(311 posts)But typical of Hillary supporters to use race...coming and going.
Her supporters embodies everything she says and does.
Blacks are used for their votes then discarded, ignored or talked down to.
Response to imari362 (Reply #89)
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imari362
(311 posts)I am a "Black person" also a woman and also a grandmother of teenagers.
That being said, I say this......
Your RACE CARD..."Bernie and his supporters are racist"
Your SEXIST CARD..."Bernie and his supporters hate women"
Your YOUNG and DUMB CARD..."Bernie supporters want free stuff"
Are all null and void on me.
I called what I seen from you and other Hillary supporters throughout this thread and spewed all over this forum, deny if it helps you get along with yourself but the words are there for any reasonably thinking person to see for themselves.
Hillary supporters are just what their candidate is.
Thank You
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Plus it's a fucking strawman, no one on the Sanders side ever said its double plus bad or a prioi worse due to that actor's race.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Without any posted video evidence or any conviction? Merely on the basis of a police report that he disputes?
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)even though EVERYONE is supposed to be entitled to the presumption of innocence. Given our history, I don't think it is a coincidence that the man people here are willing to make an exception for is African American.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)...what a hero
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Because two couples were involved in that argument, and scratch marks are visible on his face.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)endorsing Clinton. If Pierce struck out over politics, he should be prosecuted. I bet there's more to story.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)so pardon me if I challenge your sudden defense of the "truth" or due process or fact finding
George II
(67,782 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Have you seen the video?
A single chair was picked up .... and then put down.
But Newsweek....which is NEVER WRONG... says different....
Alrighty then!
QC
(26,371 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)YET Hillary doesn't have to say anything about this actual violence where someone actually got arrested.
Not only that, the countless topics created by Hillary supporters echoing the false lies of violence from Bernie supporters and How wrong it is while completely ignoring this.
If they were so against violence they'd use this as a talking point but all they care about is slander.
As long as it slanders Bernie supporters, forget the facts.
And you know what's sad, the fact is we have all the proof we need that Hillary supporters don't care what really happened.
If they really cared they would have looked into it seriously, they would have asked questions. They didn't.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)So it must be true!
"Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!"
And they have the nerve to try to lecture us as if we're children.
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anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So I suspect there's some actual evidence it occurred.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Look on you tube under violent clinton supporters
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which the police now have as evidence.
This is why there are charges
Any other stupid questions?
By the way, you do know that the Paris Casino has cameras covering every damn inch of that hotel. We have seem video from casinos in Nevada and elsewhere when brawls break out. Why the lack of video of the brawl on the floor?
Oh and speaking of the Paris Casino, here you go
There are more, you can look for them
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)So they apparently know something people here don't.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
That even required an ARJIS form
And we are talking Nevada
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)disgusting.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Can't stop won't stop.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of no chair throwing have appeared. And we have other videos that contradict the story line...this narrative has collapsed.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Good luck with that.
Response to Lil Missy (Reply #16)
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)There are not "many, many Bernie thugs".
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)There was an arrest. That's far more than we've seen from Bernie supporters that Hillary people keep referring to as "thugs". Are you proud of this latest smear campaign? Have you pointed out to the people doing this that Bernie supporters are not "thugs" and there was no violence at the Nevada convention?
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frylock
(34,825 posts)I really like that your allegiance to Hillary has clouded your judgment so much that you are willing to go on record defending this man who beat up on a woman. Bookmarking for when this shithead pleads out.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)anything significant?"
frylock
(34,825 posts)As I said, bookmarked.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)doesn't "rise to the level of any significance."
I looked for the videos that people claim are out there and I couldn't find any.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Oh, that is fucking rich in light of the bullshit coming out of NV this week.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I'm getting concerned that the Bernie Revolution apparently will be doing away with the Bill of Rights. IT seems to have been forgotten. This guy is innocent until proven guilty as are all accused persons.
frylock
(34,825 posts)The person I replied to takes no issue on passing judgment on Bernie supporters before evidence is presented.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The Bernie supporters are not charged with anything.
As to the court of public opinion, we should not let bias affect that either.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)significant."
frylock
(34,825 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)And surprise, surprise, that poster was a Hillary supporter too! There is a concerted effort on the part of Hillary supporters to paint Bernie supporters as racist.
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AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This started last June when the GOP put the meme out there that Sanders comes from a mostly white little state and therefore does not understand racial problems or "get" blacks.
And the Hillary folks are STILL pushing this absurd GOP meme. It's almost like they think Hillary herself was black and never in Arkansas politics.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I know you folks are desperate, but at least be sensible.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)apnu
(8,760 posts)And they wonder why women are iffy on Bernie.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)This is an actual thing and you don't want it to be mentioned. It needs to be. Men should never, ever be offered any sort of protection for such acts against women.
apnu
(8,760 posts)I never once said I don't want it mentioned or ignored. You're erecting a straw man, cut it out.
I've been seeing Bernie supporters post for days that violence is only physical and other forms of it are some how not real or people claiming it are wussies of some kind and I'm sick to my stomach by it.
That's what I'm talking about. Don't you put words in my mouth.
I'm objecting to the OP's title "Male Hillary supporter assaulted a woman because she supports Bernie - THAT'S violence"
It suggests there is only one kind of violence, Bernie, as progressives, people should know better. This attitude of what is or is not violence they've been spewing this week is nothing short of disgusting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)so don't lecture me. You are the one whose response is 'Johnny did it too' and that's evasive, defensive and claims a right to such actions based on the actions of others. That's what you did.
You are furious, but you offer no actual examples of what angers you. Why is that? I'm tired of unsubstantiated attacks and smears. There is no need for them, this site makes a record of all of it. So why keep doing it as you main mode of communications?
Puglover
(16,380 posts)when they slink off when you call them on their bullshit?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it still does not rise to the level of actual physically assault. Why some of us are weary of YOU PEOPLE. The bullying has been well epic. And I say that as somebody who has been a victim of the DU bully gang for over ten years.
apnu
(8,760 posts)Second, are you ignoring Bernie supporters declaring what is and is not violence or are you unaware of it?
There are people on DU who do bully, they are found in both camps in GDP, and they are 100% wrong.
I engage and discuss with people I do not bully and I stand up to bullying.
"YOU PEOPLE" Really? Come on!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but the cherry on top over the last ten years was denying my own identity as an immigrant, a POC, and a Jew.
That was out there, and the best part is that while I push back on the propaganda, kind of what you do if you are actually concerned about the truth. I have not said who I will vote. After this season, I realize it is whoever the central tabulator decides I voted for, but I could have been pretending to vote for HRC for all you people know.
At the moment, for all I know, on June 7 my vote will go to Kasich... never mind I am not a republican and that is a closed primary. But it could be a "glitch."
apnu
(8,760 posts)Your identity as an immigrant, POC and Jew is valid and I am glad you are here and talking with me.
Your vote is your private business and if you choose to hold it for yourself alone, there is nothing wrong with that. You are not required by me or anybody else to reveal it despite what bullies may say.
I freely admit I voted for Bernie in my state's primary, but the antics of many Bernie supporters here and else where have put me off. Hillary's people too. I exist in a place between the two, some times I wonder why I bother with GDP at all.
Our election system is broken, both in process and technology, I agree with you. We need election reform desperately. Clearly the states and the parties cannot handle this important job. There is dirt and grime everywhere and its time to clean it up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)After a labor story. Will go home and work on it. This feeling that these elections are for show. We "vote" to overcome, hopefully, the chicanery. Yes Bernie came up, two events this weekend. (We are trying to get credentials). So did Clinton, bill is coming. We can't split ourselves and last time we did not get them. So did Trump, he is coming next week. We will be covering the violence outside. Yup, get the party favors for a riot checked out.
But none of the labor activists I was talking with today believe their vote really matters. These people are in the movement. They are in the streets. That should speak to what is going on. It is ugly and deep.
But yes, everybody speaks from their experience. Mine has been god awful. And the level of propaganda I have seen has been stunning, as well as information manipulation.
apnu
(8,760 posts)"And the level of propaganda I have seen has been stunning, as well as information manipulation."
Ain't that the truth. And the shitty thing is, both camps in the Democratic party are doing it. We have real problems and we're going nowhere because its way more fun to have a food fight than actually work.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But the gold medal goes to a combo of corporate media and Clinton campaign the Nevada chair throwing incident, there was no chair thrown, is but the latest. It is so bad that if CNN says it...I wait for the on the scene witnesses to appear. Bad enough that 9 out of 10 the media narrative is wrong at multiple levels.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The conflict erupted on Thursday when Republican leaders successfully whipped their members to vote down a Democratic amendment that sought to prevent taxpayer dollars from being used to pay contractors that discriminate against employees on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.
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Outraged Democrats shouted shame and accused Republican leaders of abusing chamber rules by holding the vote open until they could twist enough arms to kill the amendment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/05/19/house-turns-into-battleground-over-lgbt-rights/
There are other reports that Nancy Pelosi was shouting.
apnu
(8,760 posts)Its an embarrasment that people on DU have spent this past week defining violence as only physical. As if Barbara Boxer and Roberta Lange were not exposed to verbal and emotional violence on the Nevada convention floor when Bernie supporters frustrations bubbled over.
That happened. And the what happened in the House is violence too.
We're supposed to be progressives here and we should know this, but since so many around here continue to define violence as only a physical act, they show our work is far from over.
supersonic whoosh
apnu
(8,760 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)"Reddred" points out a "supersonic whoosh", and you reply with an ultra supersonic whoosh.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)am not mistaken our Revolutionary War started out with a few protests. It has been a part of our history and our culture for a long time. And if no one pays any attention the real revolution follows. History has shown that over and over.
apnu
(8,760 posts)What went on in Nevada wasn't a revolution. What happened was two political factions jockeying for advantage and it got out of hand. You need to get your facts in order.
If you can't see violence and intimidation for what it is and try to excuse it away as a "revolution" you have no idea what what your talking about.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Of course having gone through the 60s I realize that you do not think it was a protest. When your rights are taken away you would be a fool not to protest and THAT is what happened at NV.
snort
(2,334 posts)I'm slipping up.
apnu
(8,760 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Elicits days of rage and thousands of posts.
The hypocrisy is sickening, especially from so called feminists on this board (and Hillary herself).
A male Hillary supporter hauled off and smacked a female Bernie supporter and the only thing we hear is @ the guy who picked up and put down a chair.
It's shameful.
apnu
(8,760 posts)its all over the news. CNN is running with it.
I don't know of anybody here trying to hide this.
I hope that asshole gets jail time for his assault, its disgusting. And I hope Hillary publicly denounces the violence and him personally.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)weren't equally at fault? How did he get the scratches on his face?
apnu
(8,760 posts)But who else was arrested and who else is under investigation? Nobody else that I can tell right now.
The point I was called out on was "sweeping" it under the rug. I'm saying this story hasn't been swept under the rug or ignored here or anywhere else. And I hope this violence is denounced by the Hillary campaign.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)No one knows what happened here, and the fact that the police arrested the black guy doesn't prove anything -- especially when the black guy has scratches on his face.
Why don't you wait for a trial before you decide that Hillary should be apologizing for the actions of a man who doesn't represent her in any capacity? Unless you think Bernie should be apologizing for the other involved couple.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Gee, she can't keep her supporters in line right?
This guy is violent that must mean all Hillary supporters are violent right?
She should step down right now! Not ready for prime time!
Etc etc etc. Let's spawn 300 new threads/day finding new ways to discuss how evil and violent Bernies people are.
The despicable outrageous lying smears laid on Bernie and his "bros" for any single incident yet this one? Actual violence? The past 4 days of ensuring any mention of this episode getting traction has been a study in how many of each sides supporters there really are here.
And the media coverage of this in comparison to the "chairS thrown and bottles tossed " by Bernie supporters is ridiculous.
Where's your statement condemning this FOUR days ago eh?
apnu
(8,760 posts)Hillary and Bernie people are both spawning bullshit threads on violence this past week. its the Bernie people who are saying only physical violence is violence and other forms are minimal.
The problem in GDP right now is Bernie people think their shit doesn't stink and Hillary people think their shit doesn't stink. both camps have become fucking assholes. I'm sick and tired of Bernie people ignoring the assholery of Bernie people like you are doing now and Hillary people ignoring the assholery of Hillary people.
I don't owe you shit on any statement.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)no video of him assaulting anyone -- just scratches on his face, and the word of his accuser. The one who put the scratches on his face.
But he's black so I guess we're just supposed to assume it. No need for a trial. Let's just condemn him, and Hillary because he voted for her.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)or even any photo or video evidence?
QC
(26,371 posts)without evidence? Why do you continue to believe that a person who is on video flipping birds at a crowd and mouthing "Fuck you" at them was actually in fear of being torn apart?
And why do you rush to attribute racism or sexism to everyone with whom you disagree? Considering your antics in the LGBT forum a few years back, it's odd for you to be so quick to accuse everyone else of prejudice. (Yes, some of us remember all that.)
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)The black guy with scratches on his nose and upper lip?
The operative word in your article is 'allegedly." No one has been found guilty yet.
apnu
(8,760 posts)Suggesting there is only one kind of violence out there. As liberals and progressives we should know better. That kind of thinking is right out of the conservative mind.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)he is guilty.
Without a bit of evidence - except for the scratches on his face and the accusations of the other couple. Without any trial.
This is disgusting.
apnu
(8,760 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's not about classifying varying types of violence, it's about differentiating violence from pure bullshit being spewed to smear people.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)and assuming the worst.
beevul
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treestar
(82,383 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)So you are saying that about me. Insinuating that I'm a racist. So prove it or apologize.
And go read my response to the post you replied to while you're at it.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)You were simply asked to consider the fact you've forgotten - innocent until proven guilty. I don't know that race has anything to do with it here - it seems to be bias against Hillary supporters that is in evidence - so he must be guilty. I actually don't think his race is an issue for people who want to knee-jerk call him guilty - if he was a Hillary supporter of any race he'd be presumed guilty.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)No, this is to show that there is real violence being committed out there - at least there is an actual arrest made here - where as Hillary supporters are flooding the board with a false narrative of Bernie supporters being violent despite the fact that everyone now knows the whole chair story was a lie.
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)me a video that could possibly demonstrate his guilt prior to a trial.
And since the incident took place in a hotel hallway, I doubt that one is forthcoming.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132
treestar
(82,383 posts)will it affect the Bill of Rights? Maybe that's part of the "corrupt Establishment?"
treestar
(82,383 posts)Just what will this revolution be?
apnu
(8,760 posts)You are confusing us with the English system which is the other way around.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's always attack the messenger with you guys isn't it? Never actually talk about the issue. As I said to you elsewhere:
You are trying very hard to make this about me, but it's not. It's about a Hillary supporter, a male, who was arrested for physically assaulting a woman. This was actual violence. Not the made up smear about Nevada chairs.
I really am wondering why you are making this about race though? Not done with that smear? That was from so long ago. Is that why Hillary supporters keep using the term ""thug" when referring to Bernie supporters? That one is a real head scratcher since it's been considered a racist dog whistle for so long on here, yet Hillary supporters are using it all over now. It doesn't make sense to me, can you explain why that is?
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Or does that only apply to African Americans? Or Hillary supporters.
And why am I focusing on his race? Because it isn't possible to remove race from a discussion of criminal justice in America.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Why is this incident upsetting you so much? Why are you trying to hard to make this one incident about race?
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treestar
(82,383 posts)IOW it could have nothing to do with Hillary and Bernie in perspective. Or very little to do with them.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)the point you are valiantly trying to make...
Mug shots mean garbage....and quite often, outright lies...
Innocent until proven guilty, not very hard to understand.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Peace brothers and sisters.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)which is why that scumbag was arrested. Nice try, though.
You should try a different tactic: perhaps the victim was asking for it by dressing provocatively (Bernie T-short) or you could say that she "walked into his fist" (which was a claim made several times by some other charming Hillarians in the first LBN post). maybe those will work for you.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And the violence that didn't exist but it being posted about endlessly on here?
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AntiBank
(1,339 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)1. She is no different than Trump when it comes to their supporters assaulting another human being.
2. She is okay with violence against women.
Her silence is deafening. As is the MSM's silence.
vintx
(1,748 posts)It's just that her campaign trumps EVERYTHING
Winning IS EVERYTHING to her, that's why she's so willing to lie to get votes
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I posted this before and the Hillary supporters basically told me I was full of it.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)condemn (for a third time) violence that never occurred! Wowza.
Up is down with these people.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Are you making that allegation? If not, then why should Hillary respond to it? It's a police matter, and it's in their hands.
This guy who punched the woman - yes, that is wrong. But an individual altercation is nevertheless different from a group of delegates who actually represent the campaign getting rowdy at a state convention. You can see the difference, can't you?
merrily
(45,251 posts)was none.
Sanders has been called on and called on to control his people--as if he could. Hillary has never been called on--and no, it's not because her lot are angels.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)tirebiter
(2,539 posts)Will withhold judgement until then because BLM.