2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary, your incessant "victim playing" is a bad political move
With Barbara Boxer joining in the continual false whining about victimization and now the wildly exaggerated "I feared for my life" quip, I wonder if the Clinton Campaign realized that this will only create further contempt and invite mockery from people that already don't see Hillary as fit for the job?
Trump is a bully and everyone knows that you don't show weakness to bullies. It only encourages them when they smell blood.
In addition to that, this over-the-top playing loose with facts about personal safety can't help but remind people of Hillary's embarrassing lie about sniper fire in Bosnia.
She is setting herself up for mockery and it is not a strategy that will serve her well if she becomes the Dem candidate.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I can see why the kool-aid goes down so smooth for ya!
QC
(26,371 posts)after the primaries?
Astounding!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Lil Missy?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that it is far from "over", and I smile big, knowing what I know about
Karma and how it can, and often does, intervene at the most "inconvenient"
and potentially fortuitous times.
Please proceed, with your boastful preening, gloating and strutting.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)campaign themes for president. Americans, by and large, reject that type of victimhood narrative, and see it for what it is, a cheap political ploy.
People want strength and decisiveness in their presidents, not some whiny victim claimer. I have zero confidence that the Hillary campaign will avoid this trap, at this point.
NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)... to hear a Bernie supporter talking about "victim playing", to whit:
There aren't enough debates.
Now there are more debates, but they're scheduled on the wrong days, at the wrong times.
The debate moderators give all the softball questions to Hillary.
The media is "blacking out" Bernie.
The primary schedule is all wrong - they put the southern states in early to give HRC a lead.
The primaries should all be open - Bernie does better that way, so why can't everyone do what's best for him?
Yes, our campaign accessed Hillary's data - but she MADE us do it.
The "Establishment" is against us.
The media is against us.
The cards were stacked against us from day one.
The on-line polls don't match the "official" polls - it's all part of the conspiracy!
The states are sticking to their long-standing primary rules - why didn't they change them for Bernie?
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)And even if there is irony in it, it is an issue that we will all have to face if we do not want Hillary to lose in the GE.
It is simply the case that sniveling is NOT a good look for a president.
NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)On the other hand, I've seen Bernie sniveling - a lot.
I can't wait to hear him sniveling to the SDs while explaining why staunch Democrats should hand the loser the nomination - you know, the one who's been calling Democrats corrupt whores.
Now THAT'S gonna take some first class sniveling.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Hillary has got this thing, it is over. Now we have only the awful hand-wringing and anticipation of a loss to Trump to worry about.
And in consideration of that, I offer my best advice that Hillary NOT attempt to play the victim with Trump as she has and is continuing to do with Sanders.
It will be tempting to demonize people who support Trump in the same way -or worse- than she has done to Sanders supporters. That too would be a mistake.
The only thing worse than a person who plays the victim card is one who combines it bizarrely with contempt for disaffected voters (and there are a LOT of them).
This will be a fight for the middle and the Indies in addition to being a time when Democrats are called to turn up despite lack of enthusiasm. Her particular brand of scorning people will not play well and neither will her victim act.
NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)... the never-ending cries of "Bernie is the victim here" from his campaign and his supporters.
Oh, and keep telling yourself about the "lack of enthusiasm" among Dems for Hillary. Apparently they had enough enthusiasm to go out and vote for her. Those "enthusiastic" BS supporters - well, not so much.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)I guess all of those unenthusiastic people just dragged themselves to the polls to reluctantly vote for Hillary - while all the FIRED UP! WE'VE GOT THIS! Bernie supporters didn't bother showing up.
Makes sense.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Don't pretend that it signifies nothing.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Perhaps you'd like to reconsider your choice of words given that the evidence says Clinton supporters are more enthusiastic. Unless of course you meant to call Sanders supporters blind, deaf and stupid, which would be rather mean spirited.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #5)
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Especially since the real injury seems to have been a failure to fail.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)StayFrosty
(237 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)A person with 28,943 posts on a message board thinks that makes his opinion more valuable than anyone else's.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine a handful of people need to pretend post count is relevant. Mental convenience, I'd guess (No worries, little fella-- I also pretend to know what other posters are thinking... allows us to feel more clever about ourselves than reality warrants).
ucrdem
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Just wanted to say that Hillary as long-suffering victim is a huge part of the attraction for her most devoted followers.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Americans like people with convictions.
Hillary suffers as being seen as having a lack of conviction on issues.
Americans are less bothered by positions than they are by a lack of strong convictions.
Hillary is a very bad matchup against Trump.
senz
(11,945 posts)All she'll have going for her are vague impressions.
She and Bill know you can never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the ...
gosh I'm sleepy. G'night.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And if she says she felt threatened and was shouted off the stage, why on earth would you disbelieve her? Seriously.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)You saw the guy with the chair, and I imagine you saw at least some of the speech. It was horrible. Here's a link to a DU'ers eye-witness account, warning, it's in the HRC group:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=133389
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Check around 4:06 and tell me if you REALLY think that describing it as "fearing for your life" is not over the top.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)let alone 10 minutes.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)and then 'fearing for my life'...??
...poor Barbara stepped in it and now wants to blame someone else for the shit on her shoes...
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Barbara Boxer is a seasoned political pro. I'm sure she's faced more than a few hostile crowds in her time. I'm also pretty damn sure she had security. If anyone posed a real threat to the good Senator they'd have been kicked out pronto and hauled off to the local police precinct.
Ladies, if we can't face a few angry citizens or overzealous idiots typing rude comments in their parents basements then maybe we need to go back to our little "safe spaces" or whatever the hell they call them and let the men handle the big bad scary outside world.
That's not what I want and I'm pretty damn sure that's not what you want--oh and if you think that Sanders supporters are just horrid--wait till a few mouth breathing Trump supporters in camo and "make America Great" hats start showing up.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Hillary and the real revolution have won the primaries. We have nothing to play victim about. Diversity is powerful and it is the way of the future.
djean111
(14,255 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)They will use it against Trump and then it will actually be justified. The question is will the corporate media cover it?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Bias often compels an undisciplined mind to confuse 'winning' with 'victim playing.' Though to be fair, one imagines this to be another tired attempt at throwing matter at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
Crafted allegations are a wonderful short-term tactic American politics has used for 150 years, but it also illustrates a most particular lack of character-- and sets up the accuser for mockery.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)The irony made my head literally explode.
C'mon, get serious will you - this site is littered with whining from both sides, which means 85% Bernie whining.