2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPOWER TO THE PEOPLE-SUSPEND THE SUPER DELEGATES NOW!!!
The candidate with the most pledged delegates at the end of the primary season should be the nominee, whomever he or she is.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)They can vote on subsequent ballots.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)but only if it helps the right wing corporate crowd.
After all, the right wing corporate crowd are the one's in control at the moment.
They could pass a rule (resolution? what ever) that simply states: SD's cannot vote.
Problem is that "they' won't do that unless they are damned sure that Clinton can still win - without any hassles.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)think
(11,641 posts)It is too late for this primary. They are used solely to influence voters. They have been used as a tool to convince voters from day one and have succeeded. It's unfortunate that our party has sold out to the highest bidder.
The democrat party represents the corporate elite and only pays lip service to the people. I'm done with DINOs. No more will I cast a vote for corporate elite scumbags just because they have a D by their name.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Adopting it now looks like yet another attempt to rig the system in Clinton's favor.
Scratch that. IS another attempt.
Clearly you don't believe in free and fair elections at all, just whatever advantages your preference at any given moment.
You may have been a democrat since birth but you became something less appealing along the way.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)You don't have the moral standing to lecture me. We can litigate this here. I will not be cowed. I literally rather die.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)The prosecution points to the date of this thread, and rests.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The current system allows outsiders the chance to subvert the will of the voters.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Someone who hasn't gone through the Super Secret Democratic Pledge Initiation Ceremony, (a la Animal House)?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Someone who didn't win subverting the will of the people. Outsider. Someone outside of the possibility of victory.
Nothing more was meant. It was actually a poor word choice on my part. Still, you should be able to see the point.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)who is running a campaign to the end, and has gotten somewhere around 40 percent of the vote, give or take, and has a chance of upping that overall percentage with the races that are left.
A lot longer than "outsider" I realize, but....
O'Malley could not break single digits, and he was an "insider." Is Sanders less legitimate as a candidate?
Again, considering much of the conversation going on, poor choice of words on my part.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)They should be redone. Hillary is pushing trade deals that last forever that are basically a takeover of the planet for corporations like GATS was in 1995, GATS screwed up our health care. Note that when I type that word most people dont see the post.
Hillary lied on healthcare, her plan was a scam to divert us from GATS.
LET THAT FACT BE SEEN.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Electors are not legally bound in many states but by custom, tradition, and respect for the rule of law they invariably do.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)year and with the chatter about "taking over the Democratic party", no they need to stay in place to prevent hostile takeovers.
boston bean
(36,228 posts)if no one reaches the magic number a floor fight will occur.
Forget it!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)The candidate with the most pledged delegates at the end of the primary season should be the nominee, whomever he or she is.
boston bean
(36,228 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Even if there weren't Super Delegates groups like the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus would have still endorsed Hillary. Maybe they want people to be atomized and incapable of organizing, hmmm...
procon
(15,805 posts)He wasn't running a smart campaign by ignoring the necessity of getting the SD to endorse him, and for a long time he didn't even try to secure their votes. Now, when it's too late, he's whining that the system he agreed to, is somehow not working in his favor.
He was either very confused or lying to his fans by telling them only the pledged delegates mattered, andnow that its is too late to convince the SD, he's pretending that it's somone else's fault and he isn't to blame for making the stupid decision to ignore the importance of winning over the most SDs. What a fool.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)If BS or HRC has the most delegates on 6/15 then he or she should be our nominee.
procon
(15,805 posts)He didn't make a serious effort to run a national campaign and while he was focused on getting money, and lying to his gullible followers that only the pledged delegates counted, Hillary was working to persuade the SDs to vote for her. Sanders made a huge error by letting Hillary gain most of the SDs, and now that his chickens have come home to roost, it's a bit silly to keep pretending the SD don't matter.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)The only time the Supers should intervene, if at all, is in an incredibly close race where the popular vote and the pledged delegate vote diverge.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)That people will be on the side of an issue, depending on whose Ox is being gored ( that a given event will be seen differently depending on the degree to which the viewers self-interest is involved. )
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)A person needs to check himself if he thinks that it should be.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Yesterday he said they were "dumb" so lets get rid of those "dumb" superdelegates and see who wins.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)The supers could keep somebody with a plurality from winning despite being disliked by the majority of the party. Since they seem to whittle down to two pretty quickly in recent years, it may be time to dump them.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I would reluctantly go with pledged delegates on the rationale that making them the final arbitrar was democratically arrived at.
But it would sting.