2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI was told that when a senior party official meets a war criminal, she must be diplomatic ...
... and treat him like this:
Now I'm told that when a senior party official is booed by progressive protesters, it's appropriate that she treat them like this:
My question is: When did the Democratic Party start the policy of treating war criminals with greater tact and diplomacy than used for treating progressive protesters?
midnight
(26,624 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)A Presidential candidate behaves differently from a low-level functionary. Oh, my stars and garters!
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Baitball Blogger
(46,780 posts)Maybe politicians need to show more respect for the people they are supposed to represent, but have been doing it so badly?
randome
(34,845 posts)I agree about the mixed messages but I don't think people see these one-off photo-ops as insight into policy. It's expected of a presidential candidate to be seen as not snubbing anyone.
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Baitball Blogger
(46,780 posts)It would have been closer if it had been a fair process. People recognize what is going on, they don't like the obstructions, and they won't get over it easily. So, maybe a little kid glove treatment is a good diplomatic move at this time?
randome
(34,845 posts)Or 'fair enough' considering how many states, precincts and voters are involved. It's always been organized chaos and it always will be. Boxer did herself no favors in that photo. So? That's up to California to decide if she merits a 'talking to'.
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Baitball Blogger
(46,780 posts)super-status nation that keeps preaching fair elections to other countries.
You don't see the hypocrisy in that, do you?
randome
(34,845 posts)Our over-reliance on states' rights has always been an anvil to real progress, imo. It had some relevance two centuries ago but we should be far past that by now. More emphasis should be given to the greater good over state preferences.
Multiply 50 states by 2 parties multiplied by, what, thousands of precincts? That's a recipe guaranteed to prevent smooth operations. It can be better. It can always be better.
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,780 posts)objectives, using a system that is two centuries old. To forward thinking people, this is not acceptable.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I'm not responsible for someone on DU calling the President a used-car piece of shit. I'm not responsible for saying POC suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. But I won't hold those execrable posts against anyone else.
The premise of the OP is that Boxer's uncouth behavior is somehow the norm for the DNC. I don't see that.
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IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Still, different people are...um, different. It's called being diplomatic.
It's especially wise for a Presidential candidate to show no bias. None of that means Clinton will be the warmonger that Kissinger and Lil' Bush were.
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IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)past that -- I was taking exception to a sitting Senator being a low level functionary.
Senator Boxer did not behave with the dignity I would expect of her office. She behaved like I would if I were being booed. I am disappointed with her behavior. She should apologize. Instead she participated in a smear campaign against the justly pissed off people at the Nevada convention, none of whom were "rioting" unless you call "sitting down and yelling" rioting.
Up is down and right is left these days. Sigh.
randome
(34,845 posts)It says more about her than anyone else. But California has a wide range of volatile personalities, to say the least.
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IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I was just expanding on my thoughts. Senator Boxer is someone I respect, so her behavior has been very disappointing. But to be fair, I think she has been a member of the establishment for so long that she knows who she has to get along with (Clintons, plus relations) and is presumably shocked by the passion of the "revolution".
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And Clinton wasn't a Presidential candidate when that picture was taken.
randome
(34,845 posts)Politicians avoid ruffling feathers whenever possible. Simply because a picture was taken of Clinton and Kissinger together means nothing about Clinton's personal positions. It's like when you pose for a group picture at work. If the group is large enough, there will be someone there you likely can't stand. Will you refuse to be a part of it just for that? Doubt it.
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)And of course, even in a group photo one has an opportunity to hug and kiss another, or to create a little separation ...
randome
(34,845 posts)I think if you've been around politics long enough, you know to take such statements with a huge grain of salt. No one here knows Clinton personally.
Kissinger was a major force in politics for a long time. Agree or disagree with him, love him or hate him, one can't deny that.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Or that Hillary embracing Kissinger wouldn't ruffle any feathers?
randome
(34,845 posts)And I haven't seen any 'ruffled feathers' about Clinton hanging out with Kissinger until recently on DU. Does the larger public really care? Not that I can see.
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Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Republican feathers would be ruffled, you know, Hillary's worst enemy according to her statement in the debate.
On the other hand Barbara Boxer was just letting we fornicating cognitively challenged folks know the party's level of concern for our issues. Something I find welcome and refreshing.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)She considers him a "mentor". Not at all what you are saying about just being polite!
randome
(34,845 posts)Politicians say stuff just like that all the time. Clinton could surely choose her words more carefully but I don't see that she's going to go on a tear through Eurasia in pursuit of 'commies'. So I could care less about what she says about Kissinger.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Why are you glossing over that? I mean, I know why, but why do you think that shit will fly here?
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm sure in your fever-dreams, you see them jet-skiing together or something. So far as anyone knows, all it means is that they're on the same resort and they have meals together.
Clinton is still no Kissinger so I'm fine with her associating with anyone so long as she doesn't try to wipe out "the commies".
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Is that why you're being so obtuse about this? They don't vacation at a resort. This is a private villa owned by Oscar de la Renta.
randome
(34,845 posts)BFD.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I'm 57 with 2 daughters (twins) approaching 19. If you're about to imply that I'm naive, I'd instead point out that my real world experience is extensive enough to know that judging someone based on one or two "defects" is hardly worthy of discussion. You need to look at the total person, not the soundbites that others throw at him/her.
Clinton is likely our next President. We should be working together to push her further to the left. But teamwork hasn't really been a hallmark of Sanders and his supporters, has it? As evidenced by the fact that he has fewer Senate endorsements than Ted Cruz.
Still, I don't have anything against the man and I'd gladly vote for him if he were the nominee.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)You're 7 years older than I. It's sad to see alleged liberals defend the likes of Henry Kissinger for fear that it will make their weak candidate look even worse.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Especially if you.vacation with them and stuff! And if you are a politician you are supposed to hate anything that disagrees with you cause you are the one in power and everyone else is just you know the riff raff!
Did I get that right?
randome
(34,845 posts)Clinton has shown no willingness to follow in Kissinger's footsteps. Saying amorphous things like this means nothing when you look at the individual instead of those surrounding her.
"Guilty by association" means little in Washington. It means little enough in the real world, too. I work for a corporation. Does that mean I support my CEO or unregulated profits? No.
Does Obama approve of Putin's attempts to resurrect the USSR simply because he met with him? No.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)No. No he doesn't.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Those two pictures together really do sum up the current state of the Dem party.
Both of them, pictures worth a thousand words.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)onecaliberal
(33,012 posts)About actual people.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)However, blowing kisses was hardly courteous.
JEB
(4,748 posts)getting the royal treatment in GITMO. I despise that vile air sucking POS. I will not support anybody who tries to sweep his crimes under the rug. I am content to give the gesture back at BB.