2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHardball is DESPERATE to knock Bernie out of the race now.
I have NEVER seen such establishment fury and desperation against a candidate. A stacked panel, words of aggression, propaganda and outright lies. Name calling, too.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)elleng
(131,414 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tell not to respond. But, no. You state I shouldn't respond? I think not. I think I will respond if I want to respond. I think the poster that has no more than.... I will let other respond, is the one that fails, in the response position.
elleng
(131,414 posts)SAY NOTHING.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Constant attacks border on ad hominems.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Well, that's a revealing statement.
But no. It just was not worth the energy of a response.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)because her followers were such asses to us Berners. You guys need us....remember that.
By the way, don't blame me for Trump getting into office. Remember, we think both candidates suck (Clumpenstein).
grasswire
(50,130 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)......so little attention is paid to the issues, and you vote for personality over character/judgement.
I'm sure the average Roman citizen began to think that way decades before the collapse of the empire.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Clinton kicks Sanders ass.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Voting for Iraq war?
Thinking that invading Libya and hoping democracy can take hold?
One week screaming that universal healthcare will never become reality only to "evolve" and agree with Sanders a few weeks later?
Denying the working class a livable minimum wage at $15/hour?
Cozying up to party elites and ensuring superdelegate support months before the election? (Potential) campaign finance fraud?
Taking LOTS of money for speeches, claiming that they'll release said transcripts when every other candidate does, then when all remaining candidates have no history of making speeches, completely ignores the issue (hoping people forget)?
Not being genuine about her opponent's positions, claiming he voted against an auto-bailout when it was stacked to benefit Wall Street?
Supporting neoliberal economic policies (NAFTA, TPP) when it's literally killing jobs?
Having an open FBI investigation?
......on and on and on.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)Not sure what you meant...but I guess.
What does screaming have anything to do with those issues?
annavictorious
(934 posts)big dollar corporate and financial sector donor retreats the he hosted in exchange for funding for his senate campaign from the DSCC.
He said something to get those one percenters to open their wallets.
I'd love to see those transcripts. After Sanders is done releasing those embarrassing tax returns, maybe he can release the transcripts from those speeches.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats
seekthetruth
(504 posts)That's the only example? How long is the list of your candidate's list of $225k earnings per speech?
Good god.....try again.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)All he/she ever does is insult, ridicule taunt, bait and shit on anyone who favors Senator Sanders without saying anything...
merrily
(45,251 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)It's not worth responding to.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)and soak up some sun. Surely he can't be staying in because he still thinks he can win the nomination.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)FASCISM ON THE MARCH... MEDIA AUTHORED BY THE CORPORATISTS!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)MFM008
(19,837 posts)If you want to overthrow the government try a South American country, it might be easier there.
StayFrosty
(237 posts)But he keeps encouraging his followers to send him the rent money and grocery money
Sad!
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)mac56
(17,575 posts)Sad.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)to pivot to the GE.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)take the rent money the food money and the baby milk money
heh.
You would think that they could just throw another 302K dinner.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)trump and hill won't touch their money!!
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)(couldn't resist)
trudyco
(1,258 posts)Not surprising since Comcast contributes to Clinton as well as Hardball's wife, right?
I'm sure it's unbiased "reporting" ha!
I always thought of Chris as more of a Republican, though.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Joe Frickin' Scarborough and Mika are the ones defending Bernie?! It blows my mind.
I cannot stand or tolerate listening to Matthews. Maddow just makes my eyes roll.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Wednesdays
(17,487 posts)Maybe you weren't on DU back then, but when Dubya made his "Mission Accomplished" speech, Tweety was practically salivating over how * looked in his pilot suit, and it was a huge topic of conversation here for years afterward.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I never forgot that utterance though. He really is transparent.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)elleng
(131,414 posts)so I can barely read it.
senz
(11,945 posts)Yes, hard to watch.
Watching actual sunset now. Thank goodness it's an option for me.
This makes everything else so much nicer by contrast.
Happy for you, ellen.
Very nice shot, too.
elleng
(131,414 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)But if that's your version of reality, I'd say that you're part of the problem.
panader0
(25,816 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)How do you miss it?
I used to take it so personally when I got accused of misogyny, having had to fight it so hard at work.
Now, I just laugh. Way to take the sting out of your claims, folks! Too bad so doing disserves women so much.
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merrily
(45,251 posts)However, Jillian did a really great one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280200945#post17
And, I rather enjoy this twerking one.
senz
(11,945 posts)We were just talking earlier today how unfortunate it is that Hillary wants to negotiate away our abortion rights.
Her "feminism" is so convenient.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)alittlelark
(18,891 posts)Number of posts: 292
Number of posts, last 90 days: 292
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 227 posts in the last 90 days (78% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 15 posts in the last 90 days (5% of total posts)
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Stop watching. Terrible for your blood pressure! While we are getting rid of the DINO's we need to get rid of MSM. Leave them to their own tribe. I have had a blast discovering alternate media, mostly on YouTube.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They didn't vet him at all.
senz
(11,945 posts)Goes both ways.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)At this point they simply want to move on. I get you believe they helped promote Clinton and hurt Sanders.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Maybe you're not old enough to remember. Writing nasty books about Hillary has long been a right wing cottage industry.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I lived in Arkansas from 76-84. She has been attacked since 76 when her liberal homeboy husband ran for office as AG of Arkansas.
He actually lost his first governor reelection campaign in 1980. One of the main issues was that Hillary had kept her maiden name. She took his name and he won in 82. I don't love Hillary, but she has been attacked for 40 years. And she tried to get a universal healthcare system Way superior to The ACA. And a Democratic Congress voted it down.
All these kids thinking Bernie is their Savior do not know what Hillary has been through.
Segami
(14,923 posts)They are worried and are now trying to knock him out......waiting to see what Rachel's bloviated thoughts on Bernie will be tonight, if any.
senz
(11,945 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I haven't watched Hardball in years. I see videos here every now and then but it's always been one of the worst shows on cable talk.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In around 2005, he said he voted for Dimson twice.
And he's a rude, spittle- and bile-filled mess, no matter who he supports.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)you wouldn't want to invite to your party.
senz
(11,945 posts)They want Bernie out of this NOW. They can't hide their desperation. They must be very afraid their establishment candidate is going to lose. Good, be afraid!
Stay in there, Bernie. We're with you all the way.
All. the. way.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Due to time difference NJ will called hours before CA close. It is not a conspiracy. It has been done this way forever, both for primaries and the GE.
California will NOT be called before its poll closes
grasswire
(50,130 posts)but I will be getting it. He was new to me. Never saw him before. But he must be the spawn of the devil. Really ugly talker.
senz
(11,945 posts)I'm glad they're going so ugly. Even half-way aware viewers should be able see through it.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nope. Never was.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)degree.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)This is why Fox News is 24 hours a day and MSNBC runs out of 'news' late at night and over the weekend.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)These low despicable things who don't even come up to his ankles lying about him, throwing dirt at him, and he just keeps on keeping on.
I will be grateful for this man's astonishing honesty, courage and perseverance forever.
annavictorious
(934 posts)is hard work.
senz
(11,945 posts)Back off.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)7 weeks here and 3 hides already. This one has their work cut out for them.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I will be grateful for this man's astonishing honesty, courage and perseverance forever.
Amen.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Now I think he is amazing and what he has accomplished under the current climate is staggering to observe. He is a national hero for bringing out the issues he has put under the spotlight and telling the American people the cause the culprits responsible.
Sam
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)with her scandal really soon and will have to "suspend". They want Bernie to be out already so when Hillary leaves, they can install their own candidate. If Bernie is still in, they can't do that very easily.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but CNN is on day 6 I think of a missing plane... they tend to drag these ones out, but not this much
Renew Deal
(81,900 posts)And you criticize others for "words of aggression?" It makes no sense
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Like FOX and Limbaugh
bvf
(6,604 posts)Run by a creepy, self-amused guy who interrupts everyone and talks about himself a lot? Sort of the opposite of a journalist?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)the title of the legislation will be "media reform"
bvf
(6,604 posts)Never had much use for Matthews to begin with, but when they got rid of Ed, and surgically removed Maddow's integrity, that was that.
I miss TMC and Democracy Now! (can get the latter on the web anyway), but not much else.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)To paraphrase Cesar Milan, 'it is like an exorcism, sometimes the noise and protestations mean you are making progress' and then he would recommend putting Chris Matthews on a treadmill 30 minutes a day or running him on a leash while you rollerblade.
I'm also reminded of the Chinese proverb: "you grab the tail, you get the teeth."
amborin
(16,631 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)It is fascinating to watch them catapult the propaganda, so shamelessly.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)anyone got a few billion to spare?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)However, thanks for the proof (added to all the other proof, I might add)
Samantha
(9,314 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)good one
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I guess consumers are gonna consume.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)PATRICK
(12,229 posts)for this natural closing game to advance smoothly or rationally. In such a case, a stupid pursuit of intimidation is truly counter productive where anger equates all too much to fear. This is how the supposed rational party and only putative representative of the sane interests of sane people loses it time and again. We think we can win it all by tradition, default and some mythical rules that the other side is completely empowered by disregarding.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)He's already out. From what I can see, they're just sick of him spoiling a race he's already out of.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Mika is a huge fan, and Joe himself is definitely keen on him staying in.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)math still doesn't work now or ever for sanders
delrem
(9,688 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)seriously, your blood pressure is more important.