2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Sent Classified Info to Someone w/ NO Security Clearance: Sid Blumenthal
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flor-de-jasmim
(2,128 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I mean, c'mon, seriously, Hillary is going to follow orders from ANYONE?
President Obama was unaware of how Hillary viewed their working relationship. In her view, Obama was merely keeping her seat warm. Oh and if a few eggs had to get broken in the process of making her dirty-money omelet, well, that's just how things work on Team Clinton.
The generous offer of Sec of State was paid back by insubordination and corruption by Madame Secretary. I would wager that President Obama is steaming about the exploding scandals that Hillary was involved in while heading up the State Department and Clinton Inc. accounts receivable department. He won't say anything in public, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if the subject came up in a private conversation between the President and his LOYAL staff.
vintx
(1,748 posts)have I got that right?
(Also it's Sid, not Syd)
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The ex CIA agent that was thought to be Sid's source just so happened to die recently.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Looking for the link...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Also in charge of all of covert affairs for Europe, according to one source.
I don't understand why Blumenthal is out in public at all. Isn't he scared to death?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)So there definitely was a trail!
(They published some of the emails that Guccifer hacked).
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The IC IG (Intelligence Community Inspector General) found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
Of course we now know that over 2,000 classified emails were found on her system, with over a hundred written by her personally and the above mentioned 22 "Super Bad" ones. (And that doesn't include the ones they recovered that she deleted last October.)
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IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)and your wishful fantasies are wrong. Click on the link, and read the source.
This was leaked in January, 2016:
https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Ffnn.box.com%2Fs%2F48oj2j79cp73l66p6afj73rkthwlpt5j
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Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)State has no authority over the classification of information generated outside the State Department
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Hillary supporters better get up to speed and develop some new defense on this because this isn't going away and you all are starting to look scarily, willfully obtuse.
Its not a good look.
SMH
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I think they all believe HRC had double-secret power to classify and declassify at will no matter where the info originated or where it was going.
It's the only explanation I can imagine for some of the crap I see posted in Hillary's defense.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)is going to SUBORN PERJURY TO CONGRESS --
January 14, 2016
Link to PDF: https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Ffnn.box.com%2Fs%2F48oj2j79cp73l66p6afj73rkthwlpt5j
To clarify,
DERIVED: verb; derived, deriving.
1. to receive or obtain from a source or origin (usually followed by from)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/derived?s=t
derived from classified IC element sources <-- GUILTY
And thus, and and to those living on the banks of the river DENIAL.
It's not going away.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Since they are not the classification authority
leveymg
(36,418 posts)July 24, 2015
Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the
Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails
Yesterday the Office ofthe Inspector General ofthe Intelligence Community (IC IG} sent a
congressional notification to intelligence oversight committees updating them of the IC IG
support to the State Department IG (attached).
The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of
40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which
have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings
and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State
Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated
and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This
classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
and
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html
These werent just ordinary secrets found in Clintons private server, but some of the most classified material the U.S. government has.
After months of denials and delaying actions, Hillary Clinton has decided to turn over her private email server to the Department of Justice. As this controversy has grown since the spring, Clinton and her campaign operatives have repeatedly denied that she had placed classified information in her personal email while serving as secretary of state during President Obamas first term. (I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received, she said last month.) Her team also denied that she would ever hand over her server to investigators. Now both those assertions have been overturned.
Hillary Clinton has little choice but to hand over her server to authorities since it now appears increasingly likely that someone on her staff violated federal laws regarding the handling of classified materials. On August 11, after extensive investigation, the intelligence communitys inspector general reported to Congress that it had found several violations of security policy in Clintons personal emails.
Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clintons emails included information that was highly classifiedyet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN, according to the inspector generals report.
TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.
and,
CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified
The origin of the "presumed classified" determination applied to many of Hillary Clinton's emails are the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the State Department, as reported by CNN. That assessment is shared by the former Director of the Government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), as reported by Reuters.
CNN: 7/24/2015
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/politics/hillary-clinton-email-justice-department/
Official: Clinton emails included classified information
Washington (CNN)The inspector general for the intelligence community has informed members of Congress that some material Hillary Clinton emailed from her private server contained classified information, but it was not identified that way. Because it was not identified, it is unclear whether Clinton realized she was potentially compromising classified information.
The IG reviewed a "limited sampling" of her emails and among those 40 reviewed found that "four contained classified information," wrote the IG Charles McCullough in a letter to Congress. McCullough noted that "none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings" but that some "should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network."
The four emails in question "were classified when they were sent and are classified now," spokeswoman Andrea Williams told CNN.
McCullough said that State Department Freedom of Information Act officials told the intelligence community IG that "there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton."
CNN 8/17/15
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/hillary-clinton-server-referred-for-further-review/
Washington (CNN)Intelligence officials assigned to review emails from Hillary Clinton's server for classified information have so far recommended that 305 documents be referred to agencies for further consultation, according to a report filed with a federal judge Monday.
In court papers filed with U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, the State Department updated its progress. It said that as of last Friday, Intelligence Community reviewers had completed a preliminary screening and determined that "out of a sample of approximately 20% of the Clinton emails," the reviewers have "recommended 305 documents -- approximately 5.1% -- for referral to their agencies for consultation."
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inspectors general for the State Department and for the Intelligence Community raised concerns about the content of the emails, the State Department added intelligence staff to assist in the process.
Reuters 8/24/15
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821
Exclusive: Dozens of Clinton emails were classified from the start, U.S. rules suggest
In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.
This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.
"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the White House's National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.
"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."
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IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Because it is untrue.
leveymg
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said in an interview airing Sunday that voters will need to take a "hard look" at the State Department audit criticizing Clinton for her use of a private email server, but stopped short of going after her directly for it.
"The Inspector General just came out with a report, it was not a good report for Secretary Clinton. That is something that the American people, Democrats and delegates are going to have to take a hard look at," he said. "But for me right now, I continue to focus on how we can rebuild a disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee health care to all of our people as a right."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-voters-should-take-a-hard-look-at-clinton-emails-report/
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I thought I knew most of it, but when its laid out like this, it is incredibly damning. She has no business anywhere near the whitehouse.
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Short_Version_-_Part_1
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Short_Version_-_Part_2
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Thanks to Randi Rhodes for teaching me about these little gems.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Then figuratively; she'll get a life sentence because this is her last shot.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)So keep your fingers crossed!!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Where did that classified info go from there?
vintx
(1,748 posts)the attempts, as required (rules are for little people!)
In fact she instructed her staff not to speak of the hacking attempts.
Yeah, sure... this was just about 'convenience'.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)His AOL account had his dog's name as the password. Romanian hacker Guccifer (now in jail in the U.S.) cracked that one.
See, this is why I only read so much.
It's super fucking easy to see why people are abandoning this party.
And oh look! A lot of the change started during Clinton's administration, when we realized we'd been fucked over by republian lite triangulating fucking liars!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states#History
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)according to ,18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally which states:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
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Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)For a reason..
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Hydra
(14,459 posts)Thanks MIRT!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)That one was really obvious about it because he didn't have a very good grasp of the subject matter. Others have been more convincing.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Why can't you lady-hatin' commies just leave Hillary alone???
merrily
(45,251 posts)saying kitten heels were a fashion don't.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)can someone give me a hint at what they're posting? I would love to know.