2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" perfectly describes Hillary's candidacy
Because Hillary is entitled to the nomination because it is her turn....
...the rest of us have to put up with the Democratic party reputation being trashed to all hell, with corruption more evident than in the Bush administration, making us look like the truly corrupt party the GOP has been bashing us for this entire time.
If she did feel so entitled to this nomination, the least she could have done is not use the secretary of state position for personal enrichment, followed the rules etc.
What made her so arrogant as to assume she would get away with everything? She is the one that complained about the vast right wing conspiracy to get her and her husband.
Shouldn't she have at least protected herself from attacks by not committing illegal acts?
Now the rest of us are expected to defend her while the media and GOP attacks her for well deserved reasons?
If she does win the nomination we can expect 4 years of constant attacks, they are already preparing for impeachment.
Why do the rest of us have to put up with this?
There are millions of people in in this country suffering real problems.
For many people the economic situation is a matter of life and death.
And yet we all have to deal with this because it is her turn.
And then they have the nerve to call Bernie's campaign an "arrogant insufferable self serving disaster"
I can't imagine a more perfect description of Hillary.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)And then all this will go away.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)The national convention isn't until late July, not June 8th.
And we won't know who the Democratic Party nominee is until after all the pledged delegates and non-pledged free agent superdelegates have voted.
If you need more information on how the Democratic Party will select their nominee for President I'd be pleased to help you.
There seems to be some genuine confusion on this matter.
Some political novices and the corporate media actually claim the Democratic nominee will be selected on June 7th!
Amazing, isn't it?
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)when the last primary occurs. This is Democratic Underground and the admins have noted that after the last primary, only supporters of the party will be allowed to stay and I look forward to the haters having a new home.
You self righteous help is unneeded and unwanted. Have a nice day.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)FEEL THE BERN!!!
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Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Clinton has worked hard to take the edge off her reputation as a card-carrying liberal. She has has collaborated with congressional conservatives on some pieces of legislation, called for a "common ground" on abortion and cut a political figure some on the left see as decidedly un-liberal.
Borrowed from another DU post here http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512091481
You might want to check your candidate.....she is willing to "make limit" abortion to open conversations with Republicans...we all know how that works how.
Do you know how hard us women have fought to have freedom of choice about birth control. Do you know as recently as the early 70's I had to have a NOTE from my husband saying it was okay for me to have my tubes tied. Seriously and Hillary is willing to negotiate with Republicans who want us to have NO birth control and just stay pregnant.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)"This is Democratic Underground and the admins have noted that after the last primary, only supporters of the party will be allowed to stay ...."
Do you have a link to verify your claim? Or did you just make that up?
Your claim that only Hillary Clinton supporters will be permitted to post on DU after the primaries because all pro-Bernie posters are "haters" who want Trump to win the general election is false. And you know that's false, don't you?
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)for rules see TOS and you might want to try "Ask the Admin" section of the site for answers to your questions. I didn't say that Bernie posters were party haters, but there are some who are and they will be asked to leave. We are a party and to have those who want nothing but to demand their way even though their preferred candidate did not win the nomination won't be tolerated. This is just like 2008 (were you around then?) when all were instructed to support the party and our candidate or leave.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)You "were instructed to support the party and our candidate or leave."
We're you required to make financial donations to President Obama's campaign committee?
Well, not even the Democratic Party can instruct registered Democrats, independents or other voters to vote for and otherwise support the Democratic Party and all of its candidates. That's a lot of power in an election! So DU can do what the Democratic Party can't do.
Interesting.
How does DU find out how posters actually vote in an election and is some sort of discipline exacted if the DU'er doesn't vote for or give money to a candidate run by the Democratic Party?
I think you're exaggerating DU discipline just a wee bit.
Isn't that right?
polly7
(20,582 posts)They didn't make me leave.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)It shows you can't stand to hear critical analysis.
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)and THAT won't happen until the convention.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)and after the primaries, we will have the presumptive nominee is the way that I understand it.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)answers to your questions.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Hillary will have 2383 or more pledged delegates?
Remember...the super delegates cannot vote until the convention, so whom they have backed is really meaningless at this point. The convention isn't until July 25. I don't think it's possible for either candidate to reach 2383 pledged delegates, so the nomination won't be decided until the convention. Unless, of course, one of them concedes (which may happen, but we don't know that).
I don't care who declares her the presumptive nominee based on super delegates.
Until the super delegates vote, nobody knows for sure.
If Skinner tries to put a quash on supporting Bernie before he concedes, it's not going to go well here.
It's kinda like the massive crowds that keep showing up to his rallies. We are not ready to give up as long as he is not ready to give up.
davidlynch
(644 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)their own rules.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)We are not going to drag out this dumb game of "let's pretend we don't know who the nominee is" until the convention. You' have to go somewhere else to stir shit after that.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Nothing is going away June 8th.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Star Member Skinner (61,708 posts)
1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.
This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.
My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You might be able to get your bunker, slash, safe space here, but in the real world this is not going away
dragonfly301
(399 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)it will likely provide for some interesting theater.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)For the same reasons actually.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Some time after November 8th, the voices that were wilfully silent to your benefit shall return.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Never have never will be a freeper, unlike some HRC supporters on this site.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Screw honesty, integrity, a desire to help the middle class, purpose, mission, vision, or principal. AS LONG AS HILLARY WINS!
Very sad!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)is apt.
All hail, Princess Weathervane and her ostrich army.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)It is all about "glass ceilings" and the history to be made of the first woman POTUS. Integrity, competence, position on issues, economic equality, environment, healthcare, education ...etc, etc, etc...are all a distant secondary to the gender issue.
The Democratic Party for the first time in my half century have/had a candidate that spoke to the very core issues of the Democratic Party and the party turned its back on him except to undercut him whenever possible. The Democratic Party as it was traditionally known only exists in name only. The parties hard tack to the right by the DNC/DWS/HRC provide clear and abundant evidence of this.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)Here's to a democratic win in November!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Will we be issued pom-poms and bullhorns to advertise our "loyalty" to the party? Will there be DNA tests to assure the purists that we are as pure as they?
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)there is a section called "Ask the Admin" and you should have all your questions answered. What I do know is that there won't be a GDP forum.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I think they would have to specifically ban any comments on the legal procedings...because that will surely affect the outcome in November.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)Ask the Admins
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)But it's all over but the crying.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Mature people can disagree without descending into ages that match the above. Really.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)where this will NOT go away.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)where this is insignificant and isn't even an issue. A place where BS isn't even a known.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Tik, tok
frylock
(34,825 posts)Sure, you'll have your safe space, but that doesn't make any of this go away.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)comfortable in your bubble of denial, but the 2.5 million American children that are homeless need advocacy and the Progressives are going to provide that while you are rooting for Goldman-Sachs to make larger profits.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Got more votes...got more delegates.....
Has nothing to do with entitlement ....the people chose her...
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)More votes....check
More delegates... Check
Attains 2383 next Tuesday....Check
Presumed nominee.....check
Game over
Merryland
(1,134 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)But Sanders will get 100 % of the vote from the state of
DENIAL.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Specifically the Federal Judge that this issue will come before?
Because if you aren't, then you have absolutely no fucking say in the matter, neither do any of your True Believer pals. No one is above the law. NO ONE. And that includes people named Clinton.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)like I said - it's the end of rational conversation.
btw - I hear Bernie may be indicted for embezzlement. He should withdraw from the race. Why risk it?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Was written by Jane Sanders then
Tik, tok. And the FBI investigation has nada to do with Sanders...
Tik. Tok
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And she is under investigation, criminal I might add,,, tik tok. This is not speculation, these are facts. No bunker mentality (part of the evolution of a scandal actually) will not stop that.
Tik, tok.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Tik, tok
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We are marching on to that report. It will be bad
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But bunkers are safe spaces
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I know the Crown still awaits...I get it.
But I'm a basketball fan and I've seen a lot of well-placed "egg on face" of reporters at the final buzzer. A star player goes out with injury, the refs make a couple of bad calls...I could go on.
To coin a phrase, it's not over till it's over.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)It has been shown over and over again with different scenarios, that Sanders can't catch up with her.
The one with most PDs gets the nomination, and that's Hillary.
Now the loser asking the establishment to give him the nomination? Talk about a coronation!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Semantics seem to fail when emotions run high.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Hillary does NOT have 2383 pledged delegates either.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.
There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:
Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC
Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates.
Sorry!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,130 posts)He had unbound delegates come over to him to put him one (1) vote over the top. At that point AP and the networks declared him the presumptive nominee. They used a combination of bound and unbound delegates that had committed to Trump to make that determination.
They will do the same with HRC.
After the conventions, the winners will be the actual nominees.
senz
(11,945 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,130 posts)In North Dakota on Thursday, he thanked 15 unbound delegates from the state who he said "got us right over the top".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36392084
eridani
(51,907 posts)She can't win without them, so the nomination isn't decided until the convention.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Bhu-bye! C U never!
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bye bye.
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)there will be a lot of goodbyes.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)the nomination without winning the most votes or delegates....A woman works her ass off and it's still not good enough for these people.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)reasons...She has almost 300 more delegates than him, and there is no way he can beat her...It does feel to me that people think this is OK may be the ones who are sexist. I don't think this would be done to a man.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)People don't oppose HRC because she is a woman. They oppose her because of the things she has done. And one of the things she has done is USE her gender to try to gain advantage. That's wrong and sexist.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)The woman card has been used against her, also...I seem to remember Bernie supports proudly saying they weren't voting with their vaginas...I guess saying that those of us who voted for her were...that was offensive. I don't recall her or her supporters ever saying that men voting for Bernie were voting with there penis. Also, being a woman, running for president, she does bring a different perspective to the table, and she should bring that up...too bad this is a bad thing for some people. I like it that she has a direct understanding what women face. It's nice having our issues talked about. It's just sad that some democrats can't appreciate it.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,543 posts)she wouldn't have had to work as hard as she has to get to the point she is now. Her message resonates better with her supporters and that's why she leads Bernie in votes, delegates and super delegates.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's as if he makes this shit up without knowing what it takes to get anything done. Scary.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)I wonder if she is ever afraid sitting there next to Dead Intern Joe.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)You definitely should not do that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)it's the msnbc version of Hannity and combs
WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)Zbeginew got us into Afghanistan and the whole mess that we now live with, so I think of her as a battered child/now woman and Joe is just a continuation of her mind training.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But she and the establishment have their heads in the clouds- conditions down here are rapidly deteriorating for normal people, yet they go on and on "la-la-la...just a few tweaks..."
Ironically, this sums it up:
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Bernie came out of nowhere. Blindsided, Hillary.
Henhouse
(646 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)stop trying to fix the system.
sarcasm off.
Henhouse
(646 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Beacool
(30,254 posts)Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)she won...and he lost...for all his whining...he just was not good enough to get people to vote for him.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)to make your point, you've already lost.
The "I know what you are, but what am I" argument seems to be all you have left.
So done with this nonsense.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the nomination even though he didn't get the vote.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary's Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Its the establishment vs the people
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Which side are YOU on?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)privileged entitlement.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The establishment exists to preserve white privilege.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)he has admitted as much.
The people have already chosen Hillary. She's on top in the only poll that really counts: votes. Hillary beats both Sanders and Trump, and Sanders is third...and still, Sanders wants the "white privilege" establishment to give him the nomination. alk about a coronation!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)And that is Hillary, by a MILE
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)vote, pushing the Democratic base to the side.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)To the point of absurdity
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Working you ass to get more votes and delegates is not entitled. Here, let me help explain what that word means...being a man with far, far less votes and delegates and thinking you deserve the nomination over the woman because of....reasons...that's called entitlement. Hope that helps.
mythology
(9,527 posts)If her candidacy is a disaster, what does that say about the candidacy of the guy she beat handily?
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)even when he knew the rules.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)WhiteTara
(29,736 posts)ignored! Looks like more faux poutrage
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)They are guaranteeing our children will earn less, remain beholden to college debtors, and never haver affordable insurance or healthcare.
And the weird thing is there's a part of them that knows she is a horrible candidate, but they cannot stop themselves.
They've been beaten down so much, they have empathy, sympathy and positive feelings towards the group that has kept them boxed in for 60 years, right down to defending and identifying with the 1-percenters.
They would lock their own cage and throw away the key, all the while feeling smug and superior.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Who, with a grain of common sense, acts the way she did as SoS, KNOWING she's planning on running for President?
That is also a word you didn't include... INCOMPETENT.
And who would begin that campaign for President KNOWING her emails to Sid Blumenthal had already been brought to light? What, I ask myself, is wrong with her?
If ahead of time, we had made up a profile of who NOT to make President, she would fit it perfectly.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)great words to live by
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Thankfully the end is near, and most of the real "assholes" will be gone, one way or another, no matter what side they claim they were on.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...to get Hillary to withdraw, for the good of the country.
Because she's an "Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" and also a deceitful, insincere, corrupt, narcissistic, incompetent, short-sighted liar striving hard to force us to choose the lesser of two evils:
Don't they look lovely together?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Of course, one must keep in mind that evolution has no direction.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)all the rules changed to suit him. That's the definition of entitlement.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)despite being far behind in pledged delegates and even the popular vote.
Talk about being arrogant and self serving!!!
The chutzpah of the man......
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...and then her scandals, and how successful she has been in keeping evidence of malfeasance from the public. How many voters voted for her in February and now regret doing so?
MOST IMMORAL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OF THE PAST 50 YEARS!!!
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Hyperbole much?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)now what respectable presidential candidate would invite and risk the wrath of millions of people by insults? What kind of president would mock voters after stealing votes right in front of them? And then come out with 'Kind and Loving Hillary' inspirational propaganda posters as if she has the right to define those terms?
To act out and say cruel things and then deny it as if it never happened is CLASSIC abusive behavior. How many people recognize this as a very low method of control--to break people's spirit down in order to dominate them.
It works as long as people go along with this old programming, and get hooked up into the hurt of it--but when we decide to call it out we realize it is a SIGN OF WEAKNESS not strength. No one with confidence has such a need to insult people. She is under scrutiny and her whole campaign is throwing the worst shit right now.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Hillary just can help doing dumb shit. Every step of the way she gives her opponents justification to question her integrity, honesty and competence.
The Clintons cleverly positioned criticism of themselves under the rubric of a "vast right wing conspiracy". Hillary's devoted followers bought that hook, line and sinker. So, any criticism of the Clinton's is to them viewed from that frame. It is cultish. The ability to differentiate between fact based criticism and the partisan variety has vanished. For them, Hillary gets a free pass and any criticism is "unfair, right wing, hate-based, pro-trump, or a lie".
The fact that she lied repeatedly about her email situation is a classic example. The cult just can't comprehend that there is a problem there. It is actually sad to see otherwise intelligent people so morally disconnected. Nothing can shake their support, their devotion.
Uncle Joe
(58,562 posts)Thanks for the thread, J_J_ .
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)chickens are coming home to roost