2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEmail email email...bla bla bla. What a bunch of pathetic nonsensical bullshit.
Some people in anti-Hillary delusion land can blow out their gas babbling on and on about emails, but it's just a load of media hype bullshit that won't matter a bit in the grand scheme of things. (My goodness, people on here actually talking about Hillary "trying to hide her emails...What is she hiding?...bla bla bla" ... Sheer delusional insanity. Please, find the planet Earth.
Hillary will win the nomination and pound that rotten piece of shit Trump to smithereens in November. So babble on about this email nonsense all you want, Hillary derangement syndromers. This nonsense and all the conspiracy theory delusions in the world won't mean diddly shit come a week from today when Hillary clinches the nomination and everyone moves on to the general election.
Bernie is DONE fair and square. Time to grow up, get into reality, and decide if you want the racist lunatic FrankenTrump or not.
brush
(53,978 posts)think
(11,641 posts)It's no big deal. Hillary lies and breaks the rules all the time...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)elleng
(131,410 posts)As secretary of State, she ignored repeated warnings about email security.
'Everyone, including Hillary Clinton, now agrees that the newly confirmed secretary of State made a mistake in 2009 when she decided, for the sake of convenience, to run her own email system out of her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., rather than use an official State Department email account.
But a new report by State's inspector general makes clear that within two years, Clinton's bad decision had turned into something far worse: a threat to national security, one that she repeatedly ignored despite multiple warnings.
Warning No. 1: The report, released last week, reveals that in January 2011, hackers were attacking her private server. Twice, the Hillary and Bill Clinton staffer responsible for maintaining the server had to shut it off to protect data held by America's top diplomat and the former president. The staffer notified State Department officials of the attempted hack, and Clintons top aides there emailed each other to say that sensitive matters should not be discussed with Clinton over email.
Warning No. 2: Two months later, the assistant secretary for diplomatic security sent a memorandum on cybersecurity threats directly to Clinton, warning of a dramatic increase in efforts "to compromise the private home email accounts of senior department officials" in a likely attempt to "gain access to policy documents and personal information that could enable technical surveillance and possible blackmail. The memo to Clinton warned her that some personal email accounts had already been compromised and had been reconfigured
to automatically forward copies of all composed emails to the hackers.
Warning No. 3: That May, Clinton herself suspected that there might have been another hacking incident when she "received an email with a suspicious link." Hours after her aides discussed the issue over email, Clinton received another email with a suspect link, this time from the personal account of the "under secretary of State for political affairs."
Warning No. 4: A month later, the State Department sent a cable to all diplomatic and consular posts about the dangers of unsecured personal email accounts. Staffers were ordered to avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail accounts. Who signed that cable? Hillary Clinton.
Those warnings, coming in a span of six months, should have made any responsible public official, even one without Clintons access to classified information on cyber threats from the vast U.S. intelligence network, aware of the national security dangers of failing to secure the secretary of States email communications.
Instead, Clinton and several of her top aides continued to use personal email for sensitive State Department business thousands of times.
If Clinton wants to become the president of the United States, she needs to explain how she could make such a reckless decision. She had a chance to answer questions when the Obama administration-appointed inspector general contacted her about the investigation that was released last week. Among five recent secretaries of State, only Clinton refused.
While Clinton is under potential criminal investigation by the FBI for the mishandling of classified material sent through her email, remaining silent might be in her best interests and it is certainly her right. But to be president, she is going to have to convince voters that she can put the national security of the United States above her own short-term self-interest.
It's already clear that, in using the private email server, Clinton broke the rules. Now it remains to be seen whether she also broke the law.'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/30/hillary-clinton-email-server-inspector-general-editorials-debates/85159948/
Seeinghope
(786 posts)time. I have not seen one Hillary Clinton supporter take any evidence and believe it and/or answer it with a thoughtful logical answer. I appreciate it though. So maybe it wasn't a waste of time but don't count on it changing any minds.....
elleng
(131,410 posts)I think I'm obligated to provide it. Optimistic? Stubborn?
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Sarcasm, deflection, fear, contempt....
elleng
(131,410 posts)sarcasm, deflection, fear, contempt, and they're on all sides, 'equal opportunity' unpleasantness.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)The analogy is correct, imo.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)elleng
(131,410 posts)I'm stunned. I wonder whether you are really up on ANYTHING.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... jus say dumb shit no?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Why do Hillary supporters always retreat to the safety of RW covens to deflect?
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... and we're still laughing at the amount of HDS displayed
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Please
Only a fool believes that
Hes been caught in so many lies
barrow-wight
(744 posts)It's like the way they've curiously evolved on the issue of guns.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Republican.
elleng
(131,410 posts)just call names. Heckuva way to run a democracy.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)on opinion pieces. If it makes you feel better, go find the other one and post it.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Why do we even have it?? Think of the money we could save if we just cut it from the budget.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Original post)
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seekthetruth
(504 posts)Thanks for undercutting my constitutional right to vote how I please.
Ever served in the military and gone through the arduous process and training to obtain a top secret security clearance? I doubt it. (I did)
The "peons" have to follow the rules but our leaders don't? And when they're caught we just say "oh get over it"?
Tell that to every sailor, marine, soldier and airman who's responsible for keeping classified material secure....and she even leaked classified info to someone without a clearance....
It's bullshit.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because they are the ones pursuing this thing.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)About the emails and then watching her expression when being pressed legally about the e-mails says it all. Keep your head in the sand. She keeps lying, it is on video. No matter what Hillary Clinton does it is O.K. by her supporters. Just admit it, the truth doesn't mean anything to you either.
BootinUp
(47,221 posts)and Bernie can do no wrong (according to him).
Seeinghope
(786 posts)countries in the ME donated hundreds of millions of dollars to while he was conducting classified work for the U.S.Government and giving arms contracts to those same ME countries? Did he continue to keep an advisor after was was told not to by Prsident Obama? ......... No? I didn't think so.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I am betting on the second.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)reality if it bit you in the arse.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)have called you and gotten the 'reality' for free. We should just do away with the entire expensive justice system and give you the job since you already know it all.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... not clear you're still going to be depressed when she says so what and wins against tRump anyway.
Sigh
:rolleyes:@HDS
B Calm
(28,762 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)As for the emails, she should have turned them over on her last day, just like everyone one else does
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)then wouldn't the Australians be a result of cross migration from England and their languages almost identical, and wouldn't the seasons be opposite"
The email bravados, buying into the most stupid and inane of conspiracies and reasonings....and so many are buying it.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)RBInMaine:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022987793
The NSA matter is total hype. No one is being listened in on without a court order. This program was in place for years and before Obama took office, and his administration has scrubbed it up. Oversight is and has been in place. There are checks and balances. This is the post-9/11 world. We just had people killed and maimed in Boston for goodness sake.
Snowden broke federal law with this leak. He needs to be brought back to face justice. If convicted, he needs to do some serious time.
Snowden did the American people a huge favor exposing major violations to our privacy. What services did Hillary provide the American people by exposing secrets and violating FOIA rules?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Like an organized hypocrisy, or something.
QC
(26,371 posts)Really harsh stuff. It's funny how flexible so many people's convictions are.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Why did she try to hide her emails? What is she trying to hide?
realmirage
(2,117 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)This is the reality
Martin Eden
(12,887 posts)Hillary Clinton showed very poor judgment in violating the rules then repeatedly lying about it.
The question is whether this could tip the general election.
We may not have heard the last of the damaging revelations.
I want Donald Trump to be defeated more than I want a true progressive (Bernie Sanders) in the White House.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Not at all. If Clinton had not even run and this server was investigated, do you think there would have been this much discussion? Absolutely not.
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RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)the Republicans are not going to talk about this?
I don't think you're ready for that.
but we will see.....
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)You only care because you hope it takes her down and instills your candidate.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)This is a huge issue and will only serve to help Trump win the general.
You can't spin an FBI investigation as a RW meme no matter how much you try. The fact is Hillary is under a criminal investigation.
jillan
(39,451 posts)to do with a Federal investigation of your candidate.
won't mean diddly shit come a week from today
Good luck with that.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I'm sorry. I just had to say it. She's like a worn out lolcat from the late 90s.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It's not "anti-Hillary," and it's not "delusion."
It IS anti-neo-liberalism. That's real, and it's driving many of us. Clinton is just the figurehead. It's not about her. It's about neo-liberalism, the neo-liberal establishment and their army of fucking deluded supporters.
Just like you and your team still don't get it when Sanders and HIS supporters keep saying it's not about him. The "revolution" against neo-liberals exists and continues with or without him.
That's why it's not "done," and won't ever BE done.
randome
(34,845 posts)You're right in that change is never done. But Sanders will not be the next President.
Since Clinton obviously WILL be our next President, it behooves those of us who truly want change to start to work with the material at hand.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
LWolf
(46,179 posts)wiggs
(7,821 posts)betsuni
(25,815 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,884 posts)Damn right it is serious! If it was you or me, we'd be in jail by now!
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)it is impossible for a wealthy, politically or corporate-connected person to be culpable of anything, as the laws are written to be so malleable that it is impossible to break them, but where poor are convicted of breaking laws at every turn, and they are brutally punished when not in "full compliance" to these laws.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1302443-homelessness-isnt-a-crime-but-when-youre-homeless-youre-breaking-the-law/
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and how they are basically this guy