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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 02:47 PM Jul 2016

To Lump Him With Trump, Zakaria Lies About Sanders on Brexit

To Lump Him With Trump, Zakaria Lies About Sanders on Brexit
by Adam Johnson, Jim Naureckas
Common Dreams

Zakaria went on to say:

Over the past 50 years, the countries that have grown the most are those that have opened themselves up to global markets.

This is an article of neoliberal faith, but it just isn’t true. China, for instance, has had a GDP growth rate of 10.9 percent annually over the past 50 years (based on World Bank figures), but does not have a particularly “open economy”; the International Chamber of Commerce puts it in 59th place out of 75 countries in its Open Market Index. Pakistan and Bangladesh–72nd and 73rd on the ICC’s list–grew by 8.0 and 7.2 percent per year, respectively. India–which Zakaria singles out as a country kept “poor and stagnant” because it “followed economic policies premised on the idea that free trade was disastrous”–has had annual growth of 7.4 percent from 1964 to 2014.

For neoliberal high priests like Zakaria, maintaining the ideological order on free trade is of the utmost importance. To do this, it’s essential they hammer home the myth that “populist” candidates of left and right are simply two sides of the same ignorant, irrational coin.

Meanwhile, calm, scholarly, Serious People like Zakaria will come in and explain why the centrist corporate orthodoxy is the one true faith. That they have to spread falsehoods and half-truths to do so is a testament to how tenuous their position has become.

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To Lump Him With Trump, Zakaria Lies About Sanders on Brexit (Original Post) portlander23 Jul 2016 OP
Isn't a neoliberal just a normal liberal who comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #1
First sentence nailed it. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #3
"Neoliberals" are hard-core right-wing. Hortensis Jul 2016 #19
Neoliberals Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #4
No. A neoliberal is essentially a right-winger brentspeak Jul 2016 #5
So someone who is not sufficiently pure... comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #6
"Purity" has absolutely nothing to do with it brentspeak Jul 2016 #7
Then they are more like Libertarians,--good to know. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #8
Words have meanings portlander23 Jul 2016 #9
Indeed they do, which is why when people choose to ignore their meaning to attack people, it's sad. synergie Jul 2016 #11
Right? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #14
And surprise surprise, none of that matches with the Dems that get called "neoliberal" Lord Magus Jul 2016 #16
It's Common Dreams, right up there with the Intercept on extreme left purity. synergie Jul 2016 #10
Someone saw "neo" tossed in front of "conservative and thought, "Oh, we can just do that?" BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #18
Name me one single thriving closed economy. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #2
Well the US is not a closed economy but it is more 'closed' than any progressive country. pampango Jul 2016 #13
"Sanders, unlike Trump, has long been opposed to Britain leaving the European Union. How can Zakaria pampango Jul 2016 #12
Neoliberal is now a smear just as "establishment" cosmicone Jul 2016 #15
I know it's months ago, but are you clearer on the term yet? nikto Nov 2016 #21
Zakaria simply reeks with bias and I stopped subjecting myself to his Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #17
I happen to like Zakaria and watch his show on a regular basis. I think that his opinions tend politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #20

comradebillyboy

(10,191 posts)
1. Isn't a neoliberal just a normal liberal who
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jul 2016

isn't quite pure enough for the extreme left? I hadn't see that word used until this election cycle. Neoliberal is about as empty a term as establishment oligarch any more. Lefties use of neoliberal reminds me of how righties use the term sjw.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. "Neoliberals" are hard-core right-wing.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

The very antithesis of liberal.

Calling Zakaria "neoliberal" is also wildly inaccurate. He's brilliant, which right there rules out the limited functioning of neoliberals, and extremely well regarded experts in many fields. He was raised in a liberal Muslim home but does not ascribe to any religion now and describes himself as a political centrist. I have him tentatively pegged as overall trending moderate conservative economically and moderate liberal socially.

Does this sound like an ultraconservative "neoliberal" who believes in monetizing human worth?

What we see today is an American economy that has boomed because of policies and developments of the 1950s and '60s: the interstate-highway system, massive funding for science and technology, a public-education system that was the envy of the world and generous immigration policies. Fareed_Zakaria


America's growth historically has been fueled mostly by investment, education, productivity, innovation and immigration. The one thing that doesn't seem to have anything to do with America's growth rate is a brutal work schedule.


On almost every issue involving postwar Iraq, [Bush's] assumptions and policies have been wrong. This strange combination of arrogance and incompetence has not only destroyed the hopes for a new Iraq. It has had the much broader effect of turning the United States into an international outlaw.


Americans have so far put up with inequality because they felt they could change their status. They didn't mind others being rich, as long as they had a path to move up as well. The American Dream is all about social mobility in a sense - the idea that anyone can make it.


"The Republican Party has gone insane on national security issues in general and needs to have a kind of nervous breakdown… The Republicans have lost their essential moorings and morphed into a party whose heart seems focused entirely on religion, hyper-nationalism and a kind of xenophobia." Zakaria in 2008, when he endorsed Obama



brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
5. No. A neoliberal is essentially a right-winger
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

who papers over their advocacy for stealing from poor-through-middle class people -- via the financial industry controlling government economic policy -- as a way of "helping" society. Public, taxpayer-paid services become privately-owned, taxpayer subsidized enterprises, with profits going to private owners. Labor markets are opened up and expanded so that wages are depressed and benefits reduced/eliminated for the average human being.

Neoliberals are flunkies, toadies, shills, lapdogs, and suck-ups to the 1%. They are right-wingers who want people to think they are liberals.

I hope that clarifies things for you.

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
8. Then they are more like Libertarians,--good to know.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

How does one suck up to the one percent, by the way? And why on earth would a right winger want to pretend to be a liberal. This makes no sense.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
9. Words have meanings
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016
Neoliberalism: Neoliberalism (or sometimes neo-liberalism) is a term which has been used since 1938, but became more prevalent in its current meaning in the 1970s and '80s by scholars in a wide variety of social sciences and critics primarily in reference to the resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. Its advocates avoid the term "neoliberal"; they support extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy. The implementation of neoliberal policies and the acceptance of neoliberal economic theories in the 1970s are seen by some academics as the root of financialization, with the financial crisis of 2007–08 as one of the ultimate results.

Neoconservatism: Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among Democrats who became disenchanted with the party's domestic and especially foreign policy. Many of its adherents became politically famous during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of democracy in the Middle East. Neoconservatives continue to have influence in the Obama administration and neoconservative ideology has continued as a factor in American foreign policy.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
11. Indeed they do, which is why when people choose to ignore their meaning to attack people, it's sad.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
14. Right?
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

See I always thought a neo-liberal was a libertarian. I am very glad this has been clarified. Can't stand Libertarian ideology.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
16. And surprise surprise, none of that matches with the Dems that get called "neoliberal"
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

Instead, it's (as seen in post #1) just used as an empty slur against those deemed insufficiently pure.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
18. Someone saw "neo" tossed in front of "conservative and thought, "Oh, we can just do that?"
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jul 2016

And that someone was probably just a neohippie themselves.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Name me one single thriving closed economy.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

And please dont say China, who artificially inflates their GDP by building entire ghost cities with no residents, among other artificial means.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Well the US is not a closed economy but it is more 'closed' than any progressive country.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

Trade is about 20% (actually 21.5%) of our economy. It is over 50% in Canada (70%), Sweden (60%), Germany (80%) and every other progressive country. (FYI - trade is 28% of China's economy so it is actually less 'closed' than the US.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. "Sanders, unlike Trump, has long been opposed to Britain leaving the European Union. How can Zakaria
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

casually claim two opposing positions are “largely indistinguishable”?"

"And it’s not an inconsequential one, either. If Brexit wreaks the havoc on the UK economy many are predicting, Washington Post’s millions of readers thinking Sanders supported such a measure would go a long way toward damaging both his credibility and that of the broader progressive movement."

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. Neoliberal is now a smear just as "establishment"
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jul 2016

used by a flaming extreme that wants communist-level purity of left wing wet dreams.

In this cycle, all intelligent, rational, reasonable center-left people become "neoliberals" because they are not supporting a specific candidate or a viewpoint.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
21. I know it's months ago, but are you clearer on the term yet?
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:06 AM
Nov 2016

If not, I can help.

Example #1: Trump is planning an administration that is Neoliberalism on steroids (i.e. privatizing/cutting Medicare
and SS, cutting other social programs, using infrastructure spending to help his developer friends, lots of de-regulation, and a roaring stock-market based on klepto-capitalism and privatization of Public assets).

At this point, we'll leave the Democratic Party totally out of it.


Can you see Trump's radical Neoliberalism?

I think this is an area that should be hammered-on, against Trump.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. Zakaria simply reeks with bias and I stopped subjecting myself to his
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jul 2016

right leaning and bigoted rhetoric.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
20. I happen to like Zakaria and watch his show on a regular basis. I think that his opinions tend
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jul 2016

to be factually based and he comes across as trying to educate the public rather than pandering to people's fears like Trump. I never got the impression that he was pushing RW talking points, but maybe that's because my major was Finance and Accounting and I understand economics and the whole globalization thing better than the average Trump supporter, though I've never worked on Wall St.

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