2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn Not Opposing the TPP, Democratic Platform Committee Gives Trump a Big Gift
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Trump, Sanders and Clinton have all stated their opposition to TPP. President Obama apparently doesn’t get what is happening out there in the world in reaction to the damage working people have suffered from trade agreements. He recently told voters in the UK they would have to go ‘to the back of the line’ on trade deals, not getting it that the promise of no more trade deals might have increased the “Leave” turnout by 10-20%.
It is hard to understand why Clinton supporters are blocking efforts to fight the TPP agreement. This hands the issue to Trump and reinforces his position that Clinton is only “pretending” to oppose the agreement.
It appears that the party elite just don’t understand the public’s overwhelming opposition to TPP. The pro-TPP members of the platform committee say they must support a Democratic president. But what about the interests of the public, labor and working people, the environment, the economy and their own nominee?
Send Democratic party elites a message with this petition: “Don’t undermine our presidential nominee. No lame-duck vote on the TPP!” The louder the noise is before the full platform committee, the more likely they are to relent and avoid a full convention floor fight.
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FreakinDJ
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)rejecting it completely aside, if we did reject it Trump could safely support it at some point after he was nominated.
Most pubs have been trained to react very simply -- no need to understand issues to know they have to oppose the Democrats's attempts to destroy the country. If we didn't want it, they would be easily turned to support it for that reason alone. Plus, even in this weird election there will be at least some pivot toward the less extreme conservative voters after the nomination is secured.
RandySF
(59,854 posts)
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)will be reviewed before being presented to the full Platform Committee and then sent to the floor of the convention for the delegates to vote upon. Then again, there's this; While it (the platform) does not bind the Democratic nominee to stances, it serves as a guidepost for the party moving forward.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)on issues of economics.
Right now 80% of the population is either living in, or on the verge of poverty. TPP will make it far worse
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Right now 80% of the population is either living in, or on the verge of poverty.
Do you have a link to articles supporting that? TIA
think
(11,641 posts)
ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)Still unacceptable, but nowhere near 80%.
think
(11,641 posts)
enid602
(8,679 posts)The article is from 7/28/13, and to quote: "Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream." Who HASN"T been unemployed at some point during their career?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)
forest444
(5,902 posts)28% of households have essentially nothing; 43% of households currently have a net worth of less than $50,000 (including home equity, which isn't as easy to tap into as it was); 60% have less than $500 in cash or a checking account for quick withdrawal in case of an emergency; 75% don't have enough in liquid savings to cover six months of expenses.
So, again, while the article might be a little exaggerated, the reality on the ground isn't that radically different.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)have decent incomes but choose to spend it all instead of saving for the future?
How many of those households have expensive cars? Or fancy audio-visual equipment? Or clothes and shoes beyond their means?
How many of those households spend $8 per day on Starbucks or spend $200+ a week on eating out/entertainment?
Yes, there are people who work hard, spend every penny wisely and still have nothing. Those are the ones who need a hand.
However, a large percentage of people who have little get there by spending frivolously. I know because I was one of them. Fortunately, I turned it around by learning the lesson of frugality and importance of savings.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Our consumer culture hasn't been very good at teaching our young people the virtue - and value - of thrift.
To be sure, a lot of households really don't earn to enough to save, and are typically the same ones that don't inherit very much to speak of either. And yet many others do - to say nothing of that sizable minority of households that inherit a small - and not so small - fortune, yet lose it due to stupid disputes or even stupider vices.
Qué será.
think
(11,641 posts)think
(11,641 posts)
TwilightZone
(25,523 posts)Context is important.
think
(11,641 posts)have fun juggling that number....
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Nowhere near saying that 80% are impoverished now.
think
(11,641 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)What is that supposed to mean?
think
(11,641 posts)live near the poverty line.
Nearly half of children in the United States live dangerously close to the poverty line, according to new research from the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health. Basic Facts about Low-Income Children, the center's annual series of profiles on child poverty in America, illustrates the severity of economic instability and poverty conditions faced by more than 31 million children throughout the United States. Using the latest data from the American Community Survey, NCCP researchers found that while the total number of children in the U.S. has remained about the same since 2008, more children today are likely to live in families barely able to afford their most basic needs....
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-american-children-poverty-line.html#jCp
CHILD AND ADOLESCENT HEALTH, HEALTHCARE POLICY Mar. 03 2016
arly half of children in the United States live dangerously close to the poverty line, according to new research from the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Basic Facts about Low-Income Children, the center’s annual series of profiles on child poverty in America, illustrates the severity of economic instability and poverty conditions faced by more than 31 million children throughout the United States. Using the latest data from the American Community Survey, NCCP researchers found that while the total number of children in the U.S. has remained about the same since 2008, more children today are likely to live in families barely able to afford their most basic needs...
Read more:
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/nearly-half-american-children-living-near-poverty-line
Around 20% of adults live below or near the poverty line:
By Shawn Donnan and Sam Fleming - December 11, 2015 6:02 pm
One in five US adults now lives in households either in poverty or on the cusp of poverty, with almost 5.7m having joined the country’s lowest income ranks since the global financial crisis.
Many of the new poor, or near-poor, have become so even amid an economic recovery that is widely expected to lead the US Federal Reserve to raise interest rates next week for the first time in almost a decade. More than 45 per cent of them — almost 2.5m adults — have joined the lowest income ranks since 2011, long after the post-crisis recession was ostensibly over.
Read more:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c3de7f66-9f96-11e5-beba-5e33e2b79e46.html#axzz4DOxrlQp4
That's what that means....
TwilightZone
(25,523 posts)"for at least parts of their lives"
That doesn't mean "living in, or on the verge or poverty." Not even remotely close. It means at any time in their lives.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It could be that platforms are quadrennial statements of principle not comments on specific pending questions.
It could be that the TPP could be perfectly wonderful with some negotiated changes and that putting opposition to it in a political manifesto by name would then be both short sighted and embarrassing.
It could be that the topic is one on which half the electorate is ignorant and by far most of the Democrats who do know about it support it (well to be honest there's no need for the "could" here) so declaring irrevocable opposition to it would be at best confusing.
It could be that most sensible Democrats don't want to blow a very public and official raspberry to the wildly popular and successful two-term Democratic POTUS who supports the TPP and whose campaigning for the 2016 nominee will be key.
It could be that any Communications sophomore worth even a C average would find it piss-easy to crucify a major outsourcer, prevaricator and guest worker-employer who pontificates about hating free trade, so why not donate enough sisal for him to auto-lynch and avoid making yourself a target.
What overwhelming opposition by the way? The only overwhelming TPP opposition is among Trump supporters, most of whom likely have trouble spelling it.
red dog 1
(27,938 posts)After all, he's only human, right?
pampango
(24,692 posts)Polls show most Democrats agree with Obama on TPP. Most republicans agree with Trump on TPP. Liberal? Conservative?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)And the other options?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Democrats are for the most part a little more sophisticated than to believe one-line mantras on truly complicated issues.
Not to mention, we can read the Trans-Pacific Partnership ourselves now - and don't need any more hyperbolic speculation and innuendo.
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/TPP-Full-Text
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)
think
(11,641 posts)By MANABU ITO, Nikkei staff writer - June 23, 2016 12:00 pm JST
MANILA Philippine outsourcing companies are finding a new niche in the video game and animation industries. Capitalizing on the country's low labor costs, high technical skills and English fluency, local companies are helping global giants like Disney and Microsoft turn out quality entertainment without breaking the bank.
Game developers and animation studios are increasingly outsourcing various steps in their production processes as a way of keeping costs down. As more outsourcing specialists ride this wave of globalization, the Philippines is poised to become a major hub for creative content....
Read more
http://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20160623-SHOWN-the-DOOR/Business/Fun-and-games-are-serious-business-for-the-Philippine-outsourcing-industry
840high
(17,196 posts)
Tal Vez
(660 posts)free trade which benefits everyone is a good thing and that the party supports trade agreements which benefit both parties to the agreement, but opposes trade agreements which are inconsistent with the overall best interests of workers, consumers and the environment.
pampango
(24,692 posts)no good agreement, only bad agreements. It would make sense for our party to oppose bad trade (and other) agreements and support good ones.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Response to portlander23 (Original post)
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red dog 1
(27,938 posts)Here'a a Democracy For America petition against the TPP that we can also sign
"Sign Robert Reich's Petition: Tell the Democratic Platform Committee To Take a Stand Against the TPP"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512234015#top
CobaltBlue
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Manufactured outside of the US and of course all the other lies he tells. He enjoys the trade deals so if the DNC does not have opposition to TPP in their platform is not going to make a difference in what Trump does or says. Talking about TPP not being in the platform helps Trump.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)He has also bashed temp visa as taking Americans jobs but used them for his own business.
You attack him for being an opportunist and a flip flopper.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)No one will ever read it once a PhD is given.
stopbush
(24,401 posts)As if 5% of the public knows what TPP is.
think
(11,641 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Sustain human life.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Which sounds like people prioritize Obama's legacy over the what citizens want and what the candidates want.
But I suppose that's just the way it sounds.
think
(11,641 posts)
MisterP
(23,730 posts)enid602
(8,679 posts)If anyone in their right mind actually thinks that a Republican President will abolish ANY trade deal, they're out of their gourds. If anything, tRump with strengthen all existing deals to our detriment. That's what Republicans do. His populist message on trade and TPP is just populist talk meant to get votes. Remember, Hitler ran as a National SOCIALIST.
