2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumContemplating what kind of first lady melania would be (have your barf bag ready)
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/11/485512611/contemplating-on-what-kind-of-first-lady-melania-trump-would-beHighlights:
Jackie Kennedy? WTF?
Skinner
(63,645 posts)And I'm really not comfortable with implicitly criticizing the fact that her first language is not English.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Lance Bass esquire
(671 posts)Kerry's wife Teresa Heinz for her accent.
Agree it's bad form.
Native
(5,944 posts)The list of "firsts" was how the broadcast opened. And they weren't making fun of her accent. And I do think it is notable that if Trump is elected, she will be our first First Lady who does not speak English as a first language. Make of that what you will.
My comment "so many exciting firsts" was not directly aimed at her accent.
What pissed me off about this interview is the prof's likening Melania to Jackie. Seriously?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Native
(5,944 posts)The woman is a history professor, and that's her take-away?
Native
(5,944 posts)I wasn't going there, but I guess it would be worth picking your brain on this...
My barf bag comment was about the interview portion with the professor and how they opened the segment. It would have never occurred to me to make fun of her accent, or anyone's accent, but you immediately brought this up, so I guess we need to go there now...
When you say you aren't comfortable going after Trump's wife, where are we to draw the line in our comments about her? It appears that all over DU there are very over the top comments about his sons. They are part of his campaign, and in this interview, they also say that Melania is one of Trump's trusted advisers. So it's okay to negatively comment on the character and experience of the sons, but not Melania? What exactly can we repeat in the news about her?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,083 posts)Native
(5,944 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)He is making us do this.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)People should leave them both alone with regard to the election. Truly.
There's no there there.
Native
(5,944 posts)flamingdem
(39,342 posts)how great Trump is next week at the convention.
I'm guessing she'll be a bit smarter than Anne Romney.
I think his whole family is power hungry, they are his most trusted advisors from what I can tell. They're all taking from the pot to fill their own coffers. And as such, not really off limits, imo
Native
(5,944 posts)they'd hear her do just that. They replayed parts of her previous speech trumpeting how great her husband is: Trump is great. Trump is strong; when he is hit, he will hit back ten times harder, Trump is kind, etc... The same things he says about himself, over & over.
And as is typical, they asked Melania what her cause will be if she becomes First Lady. Children and/or diseases. She said she's involved in many, many charities involving the two. But I guess her involvement doesn't include donations if the Washington Post report was accurate.
flamingdem
(39,342 posts)for being liars about giving to charity.
They're all a piece of work.
That said, it should make for a darkly entertaining convention!
Native
(5,944 posts)He really needs to change his campaign slogan to Make Trump Great Again, because that's all he's really trying to do.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)For example..
Imagine for a second if, in 2008 Candidate Obama was a man who'd been through 4x divorces.
Imagine for a second if, in 2008 Michele Obama had been born in Kenya, and spoke with a strong Kenyan accent.
Imagine for a second if there were catalogs that had Hillary Clinton posing nude on a fur rug, with a glass of champagne.
Now, I have no issue with divorce, and the number of times a candidate I support has been divorced will never play any part in my decision to vote, or not to vote for said candidate.. but then again, I'm not part of the party that continuously and loudly proclaims higher moral ground, and touts the "sanctity of marriage" bullshit continuously, and to the point of trying to deny an entire segment of our population the right to marry. So yes, I do have issues with the divorces where this candidate is concerned.
I have no issue at all with a first lady who was born outside of the US. I have no issue at all with a first lady in which English is not her first language. It just doesn't mean jack shit to me. HOWEVER, I do have issue when the party that's always the 'Merika first' crowd. Who's running on a platform of xenophobia and anti-immigration to hypocritically embrace a first lady who is the antithesis of their entire campaign platform... However, we really know what it is they want.. they are okay with immigrants who have the right skin pigmentation, and against the ones that have the incorrect skin pigmentation.. and this only pisses me off all the more.
I have no problems.. at all.. with a first lady who has been photographed in the nude. Hell, I'm very much pro nudist, and to my core believe that our prudish nature and repressionist belief system is root of much of the violence, especially sexually related violence out there. However again, it's their hypocrisy about it that pisses me off. For all of their bullshit touting of higher moral beliefs, THIS is okay with them as an exception.
in short... fuck em, and the hypocrisy they rode in on.
JustAnotherGen
(32,074 posts)And you are correct. Had Michele been born outside of the US and english was her second language and she was all over the internet naked - then Obama would never have been President.
Two sets of rules here.
Out of respect for the 'site' - I will keep it off here. But let's not pretend that the conversation I had with some of the neighbors on our patio on Saturday night didn't 'go there'.
It does time and again.
JustAnotherGen
(32,074 posts)Ever.
Native
(5,944 posts)Given a "super model" is defined as "a successful fashion model who has reached the status of a celebrity," I guess you could argue that she never really became a celebrity until she married Donald. I don't recall her reaching celebrity status by virtue of her modeling career. But then again, the definition does not state that the status of celebrity had to arise from the modeling career. Was she considered successful as a model?
JustAnotherGen
(32,074 posts)If you aren't someone like Cindy Crawford or Heidi Klum i.e. we might not 'know' them but the name would spark something . . . You aren't one.
Or - if you weren't in that George Michael video!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but yeah, not a super-model globally
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)From what I have seen she did strictly second tier work- lots of skin for low status "lad's" magazines.
I bet she was with Donald's agency.
TeamPooka
(24,323 posts)mcar
(42,480 posts)contemplating what kind of First Gentleman Bill Clinton would be, I think it's fair to ask this question.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)other than she thinks tRump will be a good president. Having to procreate with Jabba the Orange would make me vomit for 20 years. I pity her.
enid602
(8,679 posts)Long live the sTRUMPet.