2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBrilliant! Clinton campaign reprises 1964 ad against Goldwater
Bill Bogert (Republican): 1964
Bill Bogert (Republican): 2016
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)MineralMan
(146,351 posts)It's a brilliant reprise, but I'm not sure how many people will get the connection. Still, I love it.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)brooklynite
(95,012 posts)...is to have the media TALK about them, and specifically compare Trump to Goldwater.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)A lot of young people make mistakes when they first start looking into politics. She was a democrat by the time she was done with college.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
lancer78
(1,495 posts)It means that their minds are open to other opinions. A person on the left who is an ideologue and un-moving in their beliefs is no different then an ideologue on the right.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Want to hear it again? Or will you forget it again?
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Don't need any bedtime stories.
Thanks though.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You know better and good for you.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and it will add a serious thought to the Republican voter that is feeling ill at ease about Trump.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)I didn't realize this was the same actor in both ads at first. Didn't read the small print, just clicked on the second ad as I'd seen the first one recently on the Rachel Maddow show. Pretty clever!!!
Craig234
(335 posts)I'd like to hear more of the story.
gademocrat7
(10,688 posts)Thought provoking.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)He answered all the questions, said he was for LBJ, and then he was asked how old he was. He told the pollster the truth: he was 15.
So the pollster ended the call, and DQed his responses.
Ilsa
(61,720 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Republican Adult!
IronLionZion
(45,667 posts)Craig234
(335 posts)Interesting.
IronLionZion
(45,667 posts)Kennedy got many southern states in spite of the general animosity towards a Boston Catholic, because of Johnson.
Carter and Clinton also had southern strategies
Craig234
(335 posts)It's true, no non-southern Democrat won the White House from JFK to Obama.
But the term 'southern strategy' has a specific meaning, regarding appealing to southern whites resentful over civil rights.
It was created by Kevin Phillips for the 1968 Nixon campaign he was a strategist on.
And followed by 'dog whistle' Republican appeals to racism after that campaign.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)For fear of a hide, I'll avoid pointing out all of the reasons this is a terrible ad for Hillary.
Craig234
(335 posts)The actor could have impersonated Henry Kissinger
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Then don't say that you can't say it. Comes off really lame, imo.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Sad is what it is.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)There are people who have a family history of allegiance to the Republican party. It is in their roots. Despite the influence of that history when they are young, they break away and switch to voting for Democrats. Hillary did. Many other people have. This ad is speaking to and supportive of those who now have an opportunity to do that by voting for Hillary.
The ad is perfect for its target audience.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)This is so fucking good. Clinton is open about her work on the Goldwater campaign. That she switched, like this guy did (then and now) is actually interweaving decades of history together. This is actually extremely good for the history books. Consider the narrative. It's absolutely brilliant.
This is some Joseph Campbell level stuff here.
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)I thought that was the case but perhaps I am mistake...
burfman
(264 posts)I think this ad only ran once on TV.......but it got the message across.
But I think the real reason LBJ won was that the country felt that an assassin shouldn't be able to change the direction of the country.
Burfman........
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)They almost certainly had this ad in mind when they asked this guy to come back and make a video.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Invoking the "constructive criticism" clause here, since this is sure to be alerted on.
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. That original ad didn't work on her. Now she is bringing that back into the conversation.
Brilliant?
eggplant
(3,919 posts)I think it is a terrible ad. Anyone who "gets it" will also see the terrible ironies. And anyone who doesn't get it will simply ignore it. Given the complexity of reconstructing it, I have a hard time believing that the media will bother.
Craig234
(335 posts)But not because it doesn't open attacks on Hillary.
The line in the original about how party unity is a lie if you don't really believe in the candidate doesn't help her.
Craig234
(335 posts)As a teenager who changed her ways.
bucolic_frolic
(43,511 posts)are especially relevant.
Trump can forgive Pence's 2004 positions?
I think Hillary's college-age political preferences have evolved.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)She's made no secret that she was a "Young Republican" and all that as a teenager not old enough to vote. She idolized her father, who was a staunch Republican, so why would that surprise anyone that she did that as a kid?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Maeve
(42,312 posts)I, too, was a Republikid...when I was in high school, my family were Nixon supporters and my first vote was for Ford. Then Anderson....I didn't start voting Democratic until Mondale and ever after. Not til I was almost 30 and had started really paying attention.
That was a freaking lifetime ago.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Especially if they tailor it to each state where a prominent Republican has flipped.
major debacle
(508 posts)Those were the days...
baldguy
(36,649 posts)True 50 yrs ago, true now.
The difference is, now they don't care.