2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould the plagiarism have been deliberate sabotage, with a clue left behind?
I wouldn't think that, except for the inclusion of the "never give up, never let you down" line, a near-quote from the classic Rick-Roll song. If I were going to RF a speech like that and planned to bail afterwards, that's something I might do as a signature for my work. As a long-time prankster, leaving a bit of evidence behind was always part of the prank.
Did Melania and the GOP get Rick-Rolled? Could be.
I'm thinking maybe there's a rat in the room, doing what political rats sometimes do.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Cirque du So-What
(26,043 posts)I'm suffering from abbreviation overload
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)"Rat Fuck." It was in use even back in the early 1960s. The technique has been in use politically since the beginning of politics. A mole place in an opponent's campaign is usually the source of the RFing.
Cirque du So-What
(26,043 posts)Shoulda known that one.
WhiteTara
(29,739 posts)the master of modern rat fucking.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)Atwater didn't coin the term.
WhiteTara
(29,739 posts)most...should have researched. Who did coin it?
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)various kinds. I graduated in 1963.
WhiteTara
(29,739 posts)the early sixties. I didn't graduate for a couple more years and I wasn't free enough to prank.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)PatSeg
(47,780 posts)brooklynite
(95,074 posts)...whether there was a mole or not (and I don't think there was), it's still the job of the campaign team to check for things like this.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)and again. Those instances of plagiarism probably would have gone unnoticed by anyone who previewed the content of the speech. They would appear innocuous and apt in the speech, and would have gotten by. I don't know that there's a mole that close to the campaign, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
I wouldn't suspect this except for the Rick-Roll paraphrase. That has the classic look of a signature by the culprit, frankly. It's kind of like tagging a building. A true prankster wants to sign his or her work.
I stopped doing pranks in about 2000. But I was seriously into pranksterism before that, and pulled off some epic ones. All were harmless, but some were close to spectacular. In every one of them, there was a signature. That was an essential aspect of a major prank. Only those who knew me and who were also pranksters knew what that signature was.
The more I think about this speech, the more I suspect a prankster at work. He or she might not be a real mole from the other campaign, but could be working as an individual, but the Rick-Roll thing has the mark of a signature.
WhiteTara
(29,739 posts)who is staying, we may see more...wouldn't that be fun?
PJMcK
(22,078 posts)And your personal revelation about your prankster past explains partly why I enjoy your writings, MineralMan. We have a similar past. I pulled off several sweet stunts and you're absolutely right: one must sign their work. It's how we claim our successes to the underground.
In the end, we'll find out what happened when everyone writes their books about the colossal failure of the Trump campaign.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)When people live in an isolated bubble, this is what happens.
enough
(13,273 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)If it was a prank, it was a masterstroke. I've pulled a few major ones that had some national recognition, but nothing quite that major. I've stayed away from political pranks, for the most part, although not always. I dabbled in political pranks while still in high school, though. One of those backfired, though, which cured me of messing around with political pranking.
I shifted to other areas after that.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)If you were to think about it,where in the world would Trump find a writer to write a grand introduction speech that she would be able to give convincingly and coherently ? Super models don't give speechs ! And they don't have to deal with memorizing lines or scripts like actors do.So she has no real public speaking experience.And clearly, she is no natural down those avenues.
Aside from all that, Trump doesn't pay ! So again, where in the world would Trump find a writer to trump her up ! Is what you see really what you get ?
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)like social media and website content. How well such writers are vetted varies, although if you're writing for candidates and those close to them, you're likely to have been fairly well vetted.
For someone to have pranked Melania's convention speech, he or she would have had to build considerable trust. That would take real dedication. It wouldn't be easy to get into such a position, but possible. You'd need a history of writing political speeches and collateral without any blemishes to speak of.
Still, politics is a strange business. Not all writers who work for politicians are necessarily wholly in a particular politician's camp. It's a profession, really, and talented speechwriters aren't easy to find. Something as big as a convention speech might be enough to induce a person to bow out of the trade with a bang, so to speak.
Just as the ghost-writer for Trump's Art of the Deal book went public recently and trashed Trump, it's always possible for a writer to have had enough and take that step. Writers are a little strange, anyhow.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)I can imagine Trump himself rubbing his hands together in glee ,the sociopath he is over the thought of putting it over on it.Trump same as any thief thinks everything is for the taking. The context was all there, all they had to do was refashion it and put in a lot of the Donald. Chalk it all up to having been short changed, that is just where Trump basks himself in sheer delight.But that's just my opinion.
And there was no real way for them to find a good speech writer just for her on such short notice ! And that's the art of the scam.
WhiteTara
(29,739 posts)could the speech writer be another? As someone says, he doesn't like to pay. He does have his one media person, she might be doing double duty.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I was suspecting a plant after I heard the side by side videos. then the rick roll? Whoa.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)It's a classic prankster-style signature. To do something like that, though, you'd have to be willing to blow your cover and maybe destroy your career as a speechwriter. Might be worth it, though, in the case of Trump.
If someone gets fired, it will be interesting to see who it is. In my dark heart, I hope it was a master prank. I'd tip my hat several times to that prankster, for sure.
Darb
(2,807 posts)they will blame it all on Hillary. She sent them into the campaign to sabotage. But Trump is having a fit right now for sure. That is why he isn't talking. They are scraping him off the ceiling.
But think about it, if they admit a mole sabotaged the speech that is pretty damning evidence of incompetence. They are in the shit for sure.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)with a bit of help from some ghostwriter that had helped with Don the Con's books. They never proofed it. The original was picked to pieces by Melania and rewritten.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Don't even know what to think! Maybe I'm in shock!
Darb
(2,807 posts)She's clueless and they are incompetent.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Was that a lot to ask from her? She needed to plagiarize from the much hated Black Prez's wife??? from FLOTUS?
Darb
(2,807 posts)Speechwriters said the gave her the speech a month or so ago. She didn't like it.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)How fitting that is. No wonder the campaign is trying to soft-soap this whole thing.
Darb
(2,807 posts)The writers said she took it and dismantled it. She had help though, but that person is still silent. Maybe they are the RFer.
The person who gave Melania the help is......Meredith McIver, a New York City-based former ballet dancer and English major who has worked on some of Mr. Trumps books, including Think Like a Billionaire.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)Interesting.
Darb
(2,807 posts)was the one who did the deed. Or perhaps, maybe McIver passed it off to some underling who saw the chance and took it, signing it with the RickRoll.
Hekate
(91,057 posts)I can hardly wait for Steven Colbert tonight.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)We may actually never know. Still, pranking can be very serious stuff, and there are masters of it out there. I was always a second-tier prankster in my day, but still part of a tradition of pranking. I got a couple of hat tips from a few of the masters, but was always too timid to put a lot on the line for a prank.
My peak effort was a prank on Bill Gates and Microsoft that went international in scope. I disguised my signature poorly, though, and my identity became known. Fortunately, Gates had a sense of humor about it, and I skated on what might have been the consequences. It was nip and tuck, though, for my career at the time.
That was pretty much the end of my serious pranking. I decided to make that my final prank and stopped doing it pretty much, and never again on that scale.
Melania's speech, though, sure looks like someone's work, though. Bless their hearts, if that's so.
StrictlyRockers
(3,861 posts)dunno, but maybe.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)fired. That could lead to the person revealing more about it. Personally, I'd be a little frightened to prank someone as unpredictable as Trump. I think he could be dangerous in a real way.
Still, if the worst consequence was being fired, then you can expect to hear about the prank from the person who pulled it off. It's too good to keep quiet, I think, even though it would effectively end one's career.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Trump never wanted to be president. He just wanted the publicity. But who knew that the United States was filled with low IQ white people desperate for a candidate to tell them 'It's OK to be a racist white person'
Go figure.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And is entirely within the realm of possibility.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)for sure. New information is emerging, too. Appear fly, the writer hired to write the speech say the speech she read was n o t what he wrote.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)He split for New York already. He's done with Cleveland and all those peons.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)MineralMan
(146,359 posts)It will be interesting to find out.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)No talk of Rudy, the woman whose son died, sessions, chachi, etc. I bet trump did this on purpose. I didn't think so until 5 when every station was talking mrs trump.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)a good rat fucking when the opportunity presents itself.
And I wouldn't put it past one of don the con's grown kids to screw her over, just for fun, no matter what the consequences could be.
MineralMan
(146,359 posts)but I don't know the family dynamics, which are probably complicated.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)can happen with families, especially when money and power are involved. Still, I think the simplest explanations probably fit.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)"Trump campaign blaming ghostwriter Meredith McIver for Melania plagiarism scandal"
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-campaign-blaming-ghostwriter-meredith-mciver-for-melania-plagiarism-scandal/
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Rick: one time musical wonder = Trump: one time political wonder