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History needs to be straight up about Ronald Reagan (Original Post) tawadi Jul 2016 OP
supported terrorist organizations in Nicaragua Bucky Jul 2016 #1
homelessness handmade34 Jul 2016 #2
Used Iran hostages for self engrandizement by having them Lint Head Jul 2016 #3
+1000 n/t JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #29
30 years ago this fall, the great communicator was flying... dubyadiprecession Jul 2016 #4
The "Great Communicator" toasted the people of Bolivia while in Brazil Major Nikon Jul 2016 #20
How could we forget the Reagonomics, his trickle down did not happen. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #5
AND Anti-Union MyOwnPeace Jul 2016 #34
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #6
I was only a child in the 80s (born 82). Parents told me it was the hardest time financial for them. timlot Jul 2016 #7
I had the same experience as your parents, in the early '80's. Early '80's was the worst raccoon Jul 2016 #30
Reagan couldn't even quote his favorite work properly, by saying "shining city on a hill". TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #8
Ancient history Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #9
That's what the real estate swindler's wife said the other night, before she gave Michelle jtuck004 Jul 2016 #18
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Boomerproud Jul 2016 #22
Ronald Reagan was a terrible president...no doubt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #35
Reagan wasn't bright enough by himself - he stood on the shoulders of giant assholes shadowmayor Jul 2016 #10
Which is what Trump would have to do, too. Beartracks Jul 2016 #13
It was Reagan who rolled out the red carpet for the religious right to take over the WestSeattle2 Jul 2016 #11
Reagan was a tool used by the right benld74 Jul 2016 #12
taxcuts, deregulate big business, and kill the federal government andym Jul 2016 #14
Sounds like what Trump is spewing right now. B Calm Jul 2016 #15
Everybody knows it was Nancy who had the balls in that family. She ran the show. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #16
and he was a pedophile griloco Jul 2016 #17
It really started in 1971, with the Powell memorandum. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #19
I voted for Jimmy Carter. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #21
What about in 1984? oberliner Jul 2016 #25
Of course! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #26
B movie actor and commercial pitchman who played a role and whose wife... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #23
He was a lot warmer and funnier in his speeches though oberliner Jul 2016 #24
Plus like Trump he became totally uncurious about policy. Only Trump applegrove Jul 2016 #27
Apparently, Texas decides what textbooks say. merrily Jul 2016 #28
Ronald Reagan is the root of all evil workinclasszero Jul 2016 #31
We need to move on from Reagan. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #32
Focusing on dead Presidents from decades ago is a lousy idea. MineralMan Jul 2016 #33
Reagan's Veto Killed the Fairness Doctrine Bill Cyberologist Jul 2016 #36

Bucky

(54,094 posts)
1. supported terrorist organizations in Nicaragua
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jul 2016

exploded the deficit and the debt

gave weapons to Iran

had one of the most corrupt Administrations since Warren Harding

Some other stuff

handmade34

(22,759 posts)
2. homelessness
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.nhi.org/online/issues/135/reagan.html


The most dramatic cut in domestic spending during the Reagan years was for low-income housing subsidies. Reagan appointed a housing task force dominated by politically connected developers, landlords and bankers. In 1982 the task force released a report that called for “free and deregulated” markets as an alternative to government assistance – advice Reagan followed. In his first year in office Reagan halved the budget for public housing and Section 8 to about $17.5 billion. And for the next few years he sought to eliminate federal housing assistance to the poor altogether.

In the 1980s the proportion of the eligible poor who received federal housing subsidies declined. In 1970 there were 300,000 more low-cost rental units (6.5 million) than low-income renter households (6.2 million). By 1985 the number of low-cost units had fallen to 5.6 million, and the number of low-income renter households had grown to 8.9 million, a disparity of 3.3 million units.

Another of Reagan’s enduring legacies is the steep increase in the number of homeless people, which by the late 1980s had swollen to 600,000 on any given night – and 1.2 million over the course of a year. Many were Vietnam veterans, children and laid-off workers.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
3. Used Iran hostages for self engrandizement by having them
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jul 2016

held until after he was in office so it looked as though he was responsible for their release.

dubyadiprecession

(5,739 posts)
4. 30 years ago this fall, the great communicator was flying...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jul 2016

all over the U.S. in a panic, trying to nail down republican senate seats in the wake of iran contra and his administrations many other scandals. The polls showed that his senate was in deep trouble. As hard as reagan worked to help, (and as infallible as many republicans thought of him in those days) Ronnie couldn't get the base out to vote for these candidates. All the candidates he campaigned for, lost.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
20. The "Great Communicator" toasted the people of Bolivia while in Brazil
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jul 2016

He also told a fake Medal of Honor story to a group of real Medal of Honor recipients.

Saint Ronnie was a national embarrassment.

MyOwnPeace

(16,955 posts)
34. AND Anti-Union
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

Fired ALL air traffic controllers and hired all non-union people to replace them (after training - how safe would you be flying then?).
Then, to add insult to injury, the Pukes name the capital airport after him - rubbing salt in an open wound.

 

timlot

(456 posts)
7. I was only a child in the 80s (born 82). Parents told me it was the hardest time financial for them.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jul 2016

So personally I'm always dumbfounded when republicans talk about the Reagan years as some boom time.

raccoon

(31,135 posts)
30. I had the same experience as your parents, in the early '80's. Early '80's was the worst
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

depression, recession, whatever, since 1932. There were NO jobs. Lots of employers had hiring freezes on,
long-time workers were laid off or hours were cut, etc.

For me personally, the 80's got better in 1983 and later on. But I am no fan of Saint Ronnie.

TheBlackAdder

(28,261 posts)
8. Reagan couldn't even quote his favorite work properly, by saying "shining city on a hill".
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jul 2016

.


In Reagan's last address, he quoted his favorite literary work--John Winthrop's A Model of Christian Charity.


It was really writtenas a control mechanism to prevent the poor from overthrowing the rich, but when Reagan quoted it, he added the word "shining" to it, which was never in there. To this day, stupid people in the GOP continue to misquote this.


.

Demsrule86

(68,825 posts)
9. Ancient history
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jul 2016

Time to live in the present and move towards the future ...wallowing in the past is a waste of time.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
18. That's what the real estate swindler's wife said the other night, before she gave Michelle
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jul 2016

Obama's speech.

Sometimes not.

Boomerproud

(7,985 posts)
22. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jul 2016

I have no trouble reminding people of the disaster that was Ronald Reagan. It's not ancient history if we are still living with it's consequences.

Demsrule86

(68,825 posts)
35. Ronald Reagan was a terrible president...no doubt
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jul 2016

But he is dead and gone...this election and those to come should be about the future. Living in the past is a waste of time. We have our own problems to solve...many who supported Reagan are dead and gone too.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
10. Reagan wasn't bright enough by himself - he stood on the shoulders of giant assholes
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jul 2016

Chief among them - Richard Nixon.

Beartracks

(12,839 posts)
13. Which is what Trump would have to do, too.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jul 2016

I heard an interview on the radio this week with former OK Gov Frank Keating, who said that before Pence, Trump was considering Kasich. Keating said Trump Jr. had even called Kasich to feel him out, adding that he would be the "most powerful Vice President in history" -- or in other words, as VP, Kasich would be given a lot of things to do that are normally reserved for the President! (At this point, the radio hosts chuckled in amazement, saying Trump's VP "wouldn't just be another Joe Biden." But I digress...) Keating didn't know if such an offer had been made to Pence. But what this says to me is, Trump's people already know that Trump is monumentally unsuited for the job of President, and would need, nay, REQUIRE, people with actual governing experience to do his job for him!! And so he'd get surrounded by a bunch of rightwing types with horrid records and then turn all his duties and decisions over to them.

Remember when Republicans trotted out the same idea regarding Bush Jr.? "He doesn't need to be smart," they claimed. "He just needs to surround himself with a good team." THAT worked out SO well...

Even if I were a conservative, I wouldn't want the guy I actually voted for to abdicate all his responsibilities to other people.

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WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
11. It was Reagan who rolled out the red carpet for the religious right to take over the
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

Republican party, too. He kissed their ass in his successful effort to beat George H.W. Bush for the nomination. Even Barry Goldwater foresaw what the religious zealots would do to the party - and he warned about it back in 1964. But Reagan not only used them to win his election; he ushered them onto the national political stage and held the spotlight for them. The likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson helped poison American politics and discourse for generations to come.

andym

(5,447 posts)
14. taxcuts, deregulate big business, and kill the federal government
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jul 2016

amazing that he still holds sway over so many.

mountain grammy

(26,676 posts)
19. It really started in 1971, with the Powell memorandum.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jul 2016

The corporate powers laid it out and, with tons of money and political support, they succeeded.

http://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/

That said, the damage is done. Now, we have to get active and do something about it, and job one is reigning in conservatives.

Rhiannon12866

(206,861 posts)
26. Of course!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:10 AM
Jul 2016

President Carter's choice was good enough for me. Though based on my voting record in presidential elections, I began to think I was a jinx. I thought about it long and hard in 1992, but I still went with who was the best candidate for the job. That was the first time I voted for the candidate who won!

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
23. B movie actor and commercial pitchman who played a role and whose wife...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jul 2016

consulted astrologers to plan his schedule. Probably acknowledged Lucifer also.

applegrove

(118,925 posts)
27. Plus like Trump he became totally uncurious about policy. Only Trump
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jul 2016

became so from the very start of his nomination race. And knows none. At least Reagan waited till he had been in office for a few years and was developing altzheimers to not learn any policy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. We need to move on from Reagan.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jul 2016

Intellectaually, what he did requires lengthy discussions. Sorry to say that battle is lost and his legacy in the eyes of the American people has been established. We need to focus on Trump. He gives us all we need.

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
33. Focusing on dead Presidents from decades ago is a lousy idea.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jul 2016

It's not a winning strategy in a country where people can't remember history. Reagan is little more than a legendary figure in 2016, and few people know much, if anything, about what he did and didn't do. Bringing it up requires explaining why it's relevant today, and that wastes time.

We have an opponent in Donald Trump who can be attacked directly about things he has done. We should do that, and let history remain history.

Cyberologist

(31 posts)
36. Reagan's Veto Killed the Fairness Doctrine Bill
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

Not sure if this was included but in 1987 the FCC abolished the policy, which dictates that public broadcast license-holders have a duty to present important issues to the public and — here's the "fairness" part — to give multiple perspectives while doing so.

Which gave birth to the ilk: Sean Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News etc.

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