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Related: About this forumArticle on Tim Kaine and his Jesuit education
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/22/how-tim-kaine-hillary-clinton-s-vp-defies-the-religious-stereotype.htmlExcerpts:
According to conventional wisdom, Hillary Clintons VP pick, Senator Tim Kaine, is the boring, safe choice: uninspiring to progressives, a white dude, but a competent centrist from a swing state. Kaine said so himself on Meet the Press: Its true. I am boring.. .
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Not quite. In fact, Kaines old-school, social-justice, Jesuit-trained Catholicism is a refreshing break from the usual association of religiosity with conservatism. As such, especially if Kaine does attract moderate Republicans disenchanted with the extremism of Donald Trump, he has the potential to be a transformative figure. . .
The Jesuit order, in particular, remained focused on service, justice, and issues of poverty, deemphasizing (while not opposing) issues of sexual purity. Not surprisingly, Pope Francis, the first Jesuit pope, has followed this pattern, much to the chagrin of traditionalists. . . That is Tim Kaines tradition, too. In particular, he has spoken often of the year he spent with Jesuit missionaries in Honduras, telling Charlie Rose in 2008 that the transformative event in my life, next to being a husband and father, was this year that I spent as a missionary in Honduras, not only informing my views of our country, but giving me a sense of mission in life at a time when I lacked it. That was a powerful faith experience for me.
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There's what we are today and there is what we ought to be. I think both religion and politics are both about that, Kaine said on Charlie Rose in 2008.. . .Politics and religion are both about breaking out of our own selfishness and our own limitations and saying what is and isn't necessary. We can be better than that.
That is a quintessential progressive religious vision, and it is not something weve heard much on the presidential campaign trail this year, or most years, especially from someone who goes to mass every week. Dont believe the hype that Kaine is the safe, boring choice. He could be a game-changer.
. .
Not quite. In fact, Kaines old-school, social-justice, Jesuit-trained Catholicism is a refreshing break from the usual association of religiosity with conservatism. As such, especially if Kaine does attract moderate Republicans disenchanted with the extremism of Donald Trump, he has the potential to be a transformative figure. . .
The Jesuit order, in particular, remained focused on service, justice, and issues of poverty, deemphasizing (while not opposing) issues of sexual purity. Not surprisingly, Pope Francis, the first Jesuit pope, has followed this pattern, much to the chagrin of traditionalists. . . That is Tim Kaines tradition, too. In particular, he has spoken often of the year he spent with Jesuit missionaries in Honduras, telling Charlie Rose in 2008 that the transformative event in my life, next to being a husband and father, was this year that I spent as a missionary in Honduras, not only informing my views of our country, but giving me a sense of mission in life at a time when I lacked it. That was a powerful faith experience for me.
. . .
There's what we are today and there is what we ought to be. I think both religion and politics are both about that, Kaine said on Charlie Rose in 2008.. . .Politics and religion are both about breaking out of our own selfishness and our own limitations and saying what is and isn't necessary. We can be better than that.
That is a quintessential progressive religious vision, and it is not something weve heard much on the presidential campaign trail this year, or most years, especially from someone who goes to mass every week. Dont believe the hype that Kaine is the safe, boring choice. He could be a game-changer.
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Article on Tim Kaine and his Jesuit education (Original Post)
MBS
Jul 2016
OP
Catholics have been voting for Republicans in recent decades moreso than before.
L. Coyote
Jul 2016
#2
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)1. The Pope Francis of VPs nt
MBS
(9,688 posts)3. " " " n/t
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)2. Catholics have been voting for Republicans in recent decades moreso than before.
This may bring in a massive vote block that cannot stomach a wretched sinner like Trump.
writes3000
(4,734 posts)4. Are Trump or Pence Catholic?
Freddie
(9,283 posts)6. Pence is a former Catholic
Joined an evangelical church as an adult. I think Trump's background is Presbyterian but whether he's ever attended a church service is questionable.
Loki
(3,825 posts)5. He went to the same Jesuit Catholic high school here in Kansas City
that my husband attended.
MBS
(9,688 posts)7. a fun connection! n/t
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)8. Rockhurst?
That would be great.