2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEmails Released by WikiLeaks Appear to Show DNC Trying to Aid Hillary Clinton
Several of the emails released indicate that the officials, including Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, grew increasingly agitated with Clinton's rival, Bernie Sanders, and his campaign as the primary season advanced, in one instance even floating bringing up Sanders' religion to try and minimize his support.
It might may [sic] no difference, but for KY and WA can we get someone to ask his belief, Brad Marshall, CFO of DNC, wrote in an email on May 5, 2016. Does he believe in God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My southern baptist peeps woudl draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.
Amy Dacey, CEO of the DNC, subsequently responded AMEN, according to the emails.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emails-released-wikileaks-show-dnc-aid-hillary-clinton/story?id=40815253
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's not fighting the primaries, it's fighting progressives and the Democratic Party.
Red Mountain
(1,742 posts)If the DNC picked a candidate to support in the primaries the Democratic party has major issues.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)With an excellent platform and many many excellent elected officials.
Let's transition DWS out while bringing in a rockstar like O'Malley.
Just providing hard evidence that backs up claims from Sanders supporters. Claims that were considered utter nonsense and tinfoil hat worthy on this site.
emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)All about perspective I guess. Any theories as to why Putin didn't hack the RNC servers? My guess is that he did, but doesn't aid the election of his boy Trump.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Do you care about the contents of the emails?
emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)election? That Trump has promised Putin he can invade NATO allies without pushback?
My primary candidate Bernie Sander said HRC won fair and square. There's nothing on the up and up in the Putin/trump alliance.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)They highlight the ugly reality that the DNC was against Bernie as early as March (the earliest email released). It's possible there's more that was going on earlier in the campaign, but this batch of emails doesn't go back that far.
emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)And I'll keep to myself my thoughts on Weaver's exceedingly counter-productive demonization of the DNC after Sanders staffers illegally accessed HRC campaign data.
Bernie fired them because it was the right thing to do. Weaver made the first one of his endless strategic blunders that built one up on the other and IMHO ended up costing Bernie the nomination.
Yeah agreed DNC and especially Wasserman-Schultz suck. But not interested in Russian Intelligences efforts to elect Donald Trump.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)I said in my first reply to you that it is a matter of perspective.
I have no problem acknowledging the DNC sucks.
You appear to have a problem acknowledging Putin/Trump collusion.
Both things can be true at the same time.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)jham123
(278 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)was saying about the Democratic party.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It's over, and she won.
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)They did not choose Bernie...so it is moot. This is divisive and I believe is refighting primaries which is not helpful to our job which is electing Hillary.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)Appreciate your post, thank you!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Those emails don't come anywhere close to proving collusion. There's no rule that DNC staffers aren't allowed to express themselves privately in emails to each other. Especially since the Sanders campaign was actively attacking the DNC and calling for DWS to be ousted.
LAS14
(13,792 posts)Is there only this one e-mail? It's all I've heard about.
Ilsa
(61,721 posts)There is serious trolling and sometimes hoaxing going on out of Russia. And it isn't innocent.
I'm not saying all of the Wikileaks is troll work. But I do believe in having more skepticism now than say, fifteen years ago when it comes to controversial posting online.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Mister Twilight
(60 posts)It seems to go against the terms of service I agreed to 30 minutes ago.
Big Blue Marble
(5,159 posts)think
(11,641 posts)be neutral and NOT favor ANY candidate.
So much for rules...
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)I'm concerned...
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and concerning.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)The DNC is supposed to remain neutral during the primaries. Beyond that, the fact that the emails suggest using something like Sanders religious beliefs against him shows a decided lack of ethics on the part of the DNC, especially when combined with the rest.
If you're unconcerned because you're candidate won, then that says a great deal about you, and none of it positive.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)They're disgraceful.
creeksneakers2
(7,492 posts)The only things in the E-mails were private comments DNC staffers made to each other. There is no record of them actually doing anything to Bernie. One is just planning for a defense against Bernie's lies.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,492 posts)I read the E-mails. They are real E-mails but they don't show any actual attempt by the DNC to influence the election. One crazy idea was talked about in one but it obviously didn't go anywhere. Just talk among staffers.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)The primaries are over, Bernie has endorsed Hillary, and that a fact. This won't change anything, even though some here seem to think it will.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)PatSeg
(47,778 posts)view the DNC in future elections. I don't think a lot of people will trust the DNC and will be reluctant to make political donations. That makes it very serious. Someone needs take the fall for this, ideally someone who repeatedly denied allegations of showing favoritism throughout the primaries.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)You think this is bad, should have been hanging out then. And Democrats still won.
PatSeg
(47,778 posts)A much different Democratic party in different times, long before the Internet. Accountability is still important.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)to join another, less successful party.
PatSeg
(47,778 posts)people follow the rules is very important. How are voters to trust the DNC if they are perceived to be biased and dishonest? Maybe the Democratic voters deserve better.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)I am not persuaded. And anyway, we have a great ticket, so rejoice!
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)I know people who have always voted Democratic that are very upset and may not vote. Hopefully the threat of a Trump presidency will motivate them to go to the polls, but it will probably be without much enthusiasm. Republicans vote out of duty and habit, Democrats vote out of passion and idealism. Without the passion, people could be inclined to blow off an election.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)another or others though, it should change something, like say dialing down the smugness of posts like this. As a Bernie supporter I am certainly not surprised if the DNC colluded to help elect Hillary, and its not like so much of it wasn't out in the open to see, but shouldn't you give a rats ass? Shouldn't you as a member of the democratic party, demand that your party be better than that?
think
(11,641 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)when someone is publicly railing against you here, there and everywhere.
ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)I like this paragraph better.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)Release some dirt on that bastard instead of trying to time this crappola just before the start of the Dem convention.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)That's why you won't see anything from them about Drumpf.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Why is Wikileaks releasing the fruits of Putin's hackers' efforts now instead of before Super Tuesday or New York?
Cui bono?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)We don't know when they got them or how long it took them to review the batch before releasing. No doubt the timing isn't a coincidence, but waiting this long could just be a logistical issue. Either way unless Wikileaks explains the timing themselves all we'll ever have is speculation.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They did a document dump rather than screening.
They're trying to help Putin help Trump.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Either way it doesn't change the content of the emails.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)swayed voters(but lets be honest, probably not). It doesn't sound like it touches Hillary, so this is going to have no general election legs at all. The only place it should matter, because it can still have an impact here, is to get members of the democratic party to denounce the DNC's practice of placing its hand on the scales of our primaries. Hopefully people care about such a thing, but judging by the preponderance of posts in this threat, I'm guessing they don't.
zenabby
(364 posts)Was there any wrong doing, any fraud or anything? Yes they preferred HRC. In 2008 when I preferred HRC, DNC preferred Obama and I remember being mad with Nancy Pelosi. There's no love lost between Debbie Wasserman Shultz and bernie - they have publicly said so. Even in the case where they had to revoke database access, it was about how badly the Bernie campaign was run with their own anger thrown in for some measure. Finally though, it was the voters who voted and there is absolutely nothing in the emails that indicates fraud. Bernie was/is an independent who thinks Democratic party is not good and needs to be reformed, HRC is a democrat and they prefer her. I don't see anything surprising.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)his character and his campaign.
WikiLeaks highlighted on Twitter a few of the emails, such as one dated May 21, 2016 from DNC Deputy Communications Director Mark Paustenbach to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda regarding how to construct an anti-"Bernie narrative" focusing on the fact that he "never ever had his act together."
Another email dated May 5, 2016 (Subject Line: No Shit) from DNC Chief Financial Office Brad Marshall appears to show that the DNC sought to focus on Sanders' supposed atheism as a negative point.
It does not call the Vermont senator by name, but states: "It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."
...snip
As RT also reports: "Another email shows officials of the DNCthe governing body of the party that is supposedly neutral when it comes to Democratic candidatesusing 'us and them' language when referring to Sanders supporters."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/22/leaked-docs-reveal-dnc-determined-undermine-sanders-campaign
annavictorious
(934 posts)it owed no loyalty to the Democratic party, and that it was willing to take the party down in order to win. And it became increasingly more personal concerning DWS. Had the campaign remained clean, those emails never would have been written
Where was all the outrage against Dr. West's betrayal of both the party and Senator Sanders last week?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)DWS is not the lightening rod for truth or democracy. This has been proven not only by
the DNC's own recently exposed emails regarding Sanders, but by her own political stands like supporting pay day loans that is 'until" she got caught with her pants down about it.
zenabby
(364 posts)and the democratic party was never an Bernie enthusiast. This was never in doubt. But it still allowed Bernie to run as a democrat, use resources as any other candidate would do. How they felt about him as reflected in internal emails means nothing, is not fraud. There was no public disparaging or cheating.
Links that Bernie was not a democrat?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/23/bernie-sanders-democrat/
It says clearly: One thing is clear: Sanders isnt enthusiastic about being part of the Democratic club, or any club for that matter.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It was not one sided picking.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Since when is RT a go to source for anything other than narratives whose goal is to tear the Democrats apart?
"It's not Putin and the Russians trying to get Trump elected. I read in Russian Times that the real threat against democracy is DWS."
Think it through.
annavictorious
(934 posts)So nothing disparaging was said.
The two DNC members were discussing possible strategies to use if Sanders launched a third party run.
creeksneakers2
(7,492 posts)from Sanders lies. The second one was just a private comment between staff members with no evidence anything actually was carried out.
Its not surprising the DNC used us and them language. The Sanders camp smeared the DNC all through the campaign. Even after illegal spying nothing turned up about them ever treating Sanders unfairly.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Some people here are equating responding to attacks against the Democratic party with helping the Democratic candidate who was not attacking the party.
Beantighe
(126 posts)obtained those "emails" from Guccifer (or whatever the name is). Isn't that the hacker who claimed to have hacked the Clinton server, then later admitted he lied?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)It is not known if Guccifer has any involvement at all.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/22/leaked-docs-reveal-dnc-determined-undermine-sanders-campaign
SpareribSP
(325 posts)But "Guccifer 2.0" who is thought to have leaked this looks like he might be a Russian front. At the very least, he isn't what he claims to be (Romanian), so who knows about the motives.
Also of interest, Guccifer 2.0 has shown he has DNC emails at least back as far as January, so it would mean there's more to come.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)There shall be no religious test. The fact that the DNC was plotting it makes it even worse!
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I want answers stat!!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)"DNC rules, designed to ensure all candidates get a fair shake in presidential primaries, state, 'The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and even-handedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.'
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and this is politics after all. And putting primary acrimony aside, I do not understand what Sanders hoped to gain from that strange maneuver. As far as I can tell it backfired and it wouldn't have been hard to figure that it would.
wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)It's the first hit in Google.
Even so, the DNC, being a private organization, can violate it's own rules because they're not legally binding. Too bad the RNC didn't do the same in regards to Trump.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)the more and more negative some Sanders surrogates became concerning the Democratic party. I don't blame the DNC for responding in kind.
"Sanders called for Wasserman Schultz to step down, and in an April 24 email she received with an article detailing Sanders talking about the DNC being unfair to his campaign, the chairwoman responded, 'Spoken like someone who has never been a member of the Democratic Party and has no understanding of what we do.'"
It sounds like at least some of the emails were responses to attacks against the party.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)there are different opinions about how fair or unfair DWS was towards the Sanders campaign.
PatSeg
(47,778 posts)DWS is good for the Democratic party. She has a very poor track record as DNC chair - not very good a winning elections and been caught lying numerous times.
LuvLoogie
(7,082 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,082 posts)democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)But unfortunately it is too late to do much. As bad as this is it's not worth letting Trump get elected, which would be bad for almost every minority religious and ethnic group.
As far as I know they never actually went there, so I guess that means Hillary or her campaign wisely chose not to pursue that line of attack. So I can't really hold her directly responsible.
That said, I do think this shows that Bernie supporters complaining the DNC was rigged against them weren't just blowing hot air.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Eating right wing memes? I get that cognitive dissonance is uncomfortably, but burying your head in the sand on an issue this important will do nothing but hurt the party long term.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... the primary and then say the DNC was working against Sanders when Sanders didn't have a chance to win.
But go ahead... think what our winger meme repeating M$M wants people to think
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Tell the party big shots to clean up their fucking act. It's not the Right's fault the Democratic elites are corrupt.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... which there was.
All the other shit is winger meme looking at the facts
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)There is way more important stuff than refighting the primary. Right wing crap .
Lebam in LA
(1,345 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)He wants Trump . Stop helping him.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... position among both parties.
Fuck people who repeat winger memes on DU !!!
think
(11,641 posts)Should O'Malley and Sanders supporters be happy to learn the DNC violated it's own rules and favored one candidate over the others?
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... without discernment at all !!
If there were emails showing an operational attempts to tilt the primaries from the beginning and undermine Sanders then there'd be an argument but not after Clinton statistically locked up the primaries...
Man, people can be assholes
Vattel
(9,289 posts)to analyze, to assess the significance of the facts, etc. Blurting out emotional nonsense isn't about FAUX news memes is kind of silly.
The substance to what you said is that the emails suggest that the DNC was willing to undermine Sanders after the nomination was already nearly wrapped up by Clinton. They don't suggest the existence of any earlier willingness to do so. That is worth pointing out and discussing. I would add that even if it only began on May 5, that would still violate DNC's rule about impartiality.
Fuck people who can't handle facts.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... then but go ahead and keep repeating what wingers repeat and sloppy ass'd M$M.
This is a bullshit based off the facts
Vattel
(9,289 posts)uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... Sanders was already down by a millions of votes and no political party on Earth would've went against that vote.
Quite as its kept, May 5th was still late
jalan48
(13,921 posts)Don't forget the media blackout of Sanders. Big money had no interest in seeing a "Socialist" elected, someone who stated he would raise taxes on the wealthy and big corporations.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)jcgoldie
(11,664 posts)Snowden... Putin... Trump... connect the dots.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Lying Asshole.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)And I thought the party was better than that. But what's done is done.
PatSeg
(47,778 posts)but the DNC needs to make some serious changes if it expects Democratic voters to support it in future elections. Resignations of certain people would be a good start.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)and it will continue until we have the balls to reform campaign finance.
glennward
(989 posts)It's THEIR choice.
timlot
(456 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Many of us knew this was going on.
LuvLoogie
(7,082 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)andym
(5,447 posts)I hope these emails give reformers the evidence they need to push reform effectively.
tralala
(239 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)Bernie Sanders certainly does not.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)By giving him the legitimacy of the Democratic label and thus leading to millions of people donating their hard earned money to what they thought was a fair and impartial race?
Sure you want to go there?
wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)And at the end of the day, it was always about who got the most votes.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)uponit7771
(90,378 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Why isn't that obviously a problem?
wyldwolf
(43,874 posts)They can support and nominate whoever they choose. They're certainly not beholden to 'democrats come lately' - those who join out of necessity or convenience.
Someone made a great comparison to religious organizations. It takes a long time even to become a Catholic. Religious organizations are within their rights to have leaders who advance the ideology and doctrines of their organization and to bar non-adherents from suddenly becoming part of their organization and then immediately assuming leadership positions. Political parties the same.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)For example, after the Nevada debacle someone obtained tape of Kato, Sanders campaign director in Nevada, giving instructions about not leaving and to keep on until they were told to stop from Sanders own campaign. We jumped on this as "proof" that Sanders "planned" the disruption at the Nevada convention. It took a Sanders supporter to say that it might not be what we thought it was. In other words, you may be jumping to.conxlusions.
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)See where this is going? We want to help Hillary and hurt Trump. We want to elect Hillary...things can be changed for the presidential or mid-term election, but now is not the time to worry about it.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts).. up by winger bullshit artist?!?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)They can be rapidly approaching their demise from Acute Gravitational Disorder, while denying unequivocally, right up to the point of their last breath, that they just fell off an eighty-story building.
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)Primaries are over...what is the point?
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)But what I would ask is why would you post them...Do you think it helps to defeat Trump? And I would remind you that by May...Hillary had won by the math.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Top DNC staffer apologizes for email on Sanders religion
A top staffer at the Democratic National Committee has apologized after suggesting that the organization use Bernie Sanders religious beliefs against him in the Democratic primary.
One email among the thousands of internal DNC messages released this week by Wikileaks showed DNC CFO Brad Marshall questioning Sanders Jewish faith, and suggested that painting the candidate as an atheist could make several points difference in several late primary contests.
(snip)
In a copy of a Facebook post provided by a source, Marshall said that he deeply regrets his insensitive, emotional emails. His Facebook page, upon searching, is private, and the statement is the only content viewable to the public.
The entire Facebook post: I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/top-dnc-staffer-apologizes-for-email-on-sanders-religion-226072#ixzz4FGyq4G1a
Robert Cat
(1 post)The DNC wanted a lot of money just to be able to get into the events or meet anyone at the Convention. They even charged extra to be able to stay "within the National Finance Committee room block." The Sanders delegates I know couldn't have afforded this.
http://tammamend.blogspot.com/2016/07/democraticconventionpackages.html
I just hope that this whole thing doesn't make a hash of the Convention.
LostOne4Ever
(9,302 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]Bernie and all of us Bernie supporters already knew this was going on since the time of the first debates where the DNC did everything they could to hide the debates on time slots no one watches.
That said, the primary is over. Hillary is the nominee and we should all do what we can to defat Trump and make sure the presidency remains in the democratic party's hand. BUT, we can do that while at the same time holding those who were colluding against Sanders responsible.
Sanders has proven himself to be a good Liberal and democrat and we owe him that.[/font]
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Tsk tsk tsk
B Calm
(28,762 posts)You saying Bernie is not a democrat?
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)In their emails and no one with any power or authority actually did or said anything? What's the big deal? Isn't this like a 15 year old volunteer at my place of employment calling me "a dick" and a patient's family using that as evidence that I killed 40 people?
It seems like people at work privately venting about something and then someone hacks their emails and uses it as evidence of a mass conspiracy. What am I supposed to be shocked about here?
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)personal & private voter data from your competitor when they just happened to innocently come across an accidentally open file. Shit happens..no biggie.
So fire the new hires. Forget about it & chalk it up to a learning experience for a few silly kids. Isn't that how the Sanders campaign thoughtfully dealt with their issue with new hires?
Every campaign has a few ya know. Right?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Vinca
(50,342 posts)oxymoron
(4,053 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)That's why he was calling for her replacement! I have no idea what the DNC will do right now, but I sure hope the people of Debbie's district vote her OUT OF OFFICE in November. I used to really like her when she'd be on the TV talk shows, but then something happened and she started to sound nasty. Maybe it was the new job as Chair of the DNC, I don't know, but I ended up sending emails to her, to the head of the Dem. Party here in Ga., and anyone else I could think of in power with the Dems, asking them to get her the hell out of the leadership position.
All my grumbling apparently didn't matter, but the dumbass getting caught just might.