2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe need to lead with the russian betrayal and tie trump to putin
Im not going to pretend this wiki stuff is not going to hurt or at least be a big distraction. The timing of it couldn't be worse. BUT please consider this. Isnt it so convenient WHEN it was released? that this is the 2ND time this is happend? within the same year?
just had a big argument with a conservative friend of mine. That he could never support hillary because shes so corrupt blah blah.
I pointed out a few things to him. I told him do you think its a coincidence that they the Russians hacked clintons plan of attack on trump and now this? he goes wait wait wait " what do you mean the russians hacked something months ago " (paraphrasing) see he didn't realize this is the 2nd TIME that the Russians have hacked Hillary and the DNC in favor of trump. This changed hes demeanor REAL QUICK.
THEN i pointed out to him that during the NY times interview he said he would NOT defend nato countries against a Russian attack. i said to him do you think this is all JUST A COINCIDENCE??? that trump praises putin, wont defend nato, then the icing on the cake? hes campaign manager has TIES TO RUSSIAN MAFIA? he told me thats bullshit. i said just look it up man. The Russians are colluding with trump to beat hillary.
The beautiful thing about all of this? a lot of old school republican voters do see radical islam as a threat. dont like hillary. BUT THEY HATE and FEAR the soviet union a lot more. Especially with Putin being a KGP agent.
what we need to do is run with this. Launch a series of attacks and spend money putting what i said in point by point attack. Put fear in the old republican gaurd about the ties of trump to putin , the KGP, the russian mafia.
for Bernie supporters, look im disappointed to, i voted for him in california. But thats the nature of politics. The good ole boys always get a bit of advantage. AND i do think changes should be made BUT THIS IS NOT the time to have a family fight. you might think im making this stuff up about russia to attack trump but the fact is these are not MADE UP. there is a REAL REAL possibility the Russians are colluding with trump campaign which is a HUGE THREAT to this country. much much more then debbie.
lets unite to defeat trump then we can fix any mess with the DNC for the future.
EDITED to ADD - if any evidence shows any colluding with trump campaign with the russians. Trump needs to be charged with treason. we cant NOT fuck about with this. this is serous serous issue.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)The Putin stuff should scare the ever loving shit out of everyone here.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)But I'm betting that if anything 'unmakes' the Trump candidacy, it will be something we know nothing about right now. We're watching the ocean churn but we can't see everything that's at play beneath the surface yet.
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)i love your logo MOH that made me laugh out loud.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)of the fact that this is an outside government trying to influence our elections.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from Russian attack, alarming leaders around the planet, and now this story of multiple close links between Trump and Putin. HUGE, and nothing to do with the little DNC.
The Republican Party is alleged to have been manipulated into putting a "Putin's plank" in its 2016 platform. HUGE, and nothing to do with the little DNC.
Russia has been interfering in U.S. elections on behalf of Donald Trump. BIG, but the DNC's just collateral damage.
We're going to be talking about this, all right. All the major media have to be working on its right now. The Talking Points Memo report is the official beginning.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)You want to talk about ties the mafia, even Russian mafia, that's something else, but with Google, kids can quickly find out that Russia a military much smaller than ours and their "interference" has been limited to countries touching or near their borders unlike our own government.
Also, kids know that if you start another war, they or their friends will go fight it, and they themselves will fight it since it will be used as an excuse to NOT make college free or even more affordable, NOT talk about universal healthcare, or anything else of the sort.
That shit might go over at your cocktail parties in DC where you salivate over the profits from a big war and whatever resources can be stripped from Russia once it's neutered, but the rest of us aren't buying it.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)compared to the massive issue of Trump and his ties to Putin, Russian oligarchs and mob. He has been actively working against the interests and security of the US and has indicated his plan to do so in the future.
agnostic102
(198 posts)to add that if any evidence shows trumps campaign colluding with the russians. he needs to be charged with treason.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)I hope he is charged with treason
Scuba
(53,475 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)though they aren't going to vote for Hillary no matter what.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)agnostic102
(198 posts)in advance, BUT FORGET THE TAXES.. honestly most people dont care about that. heck half the poeple in this country themselves try and hide there taxes to try and pay as less as possible. The russian thing to me is much more serous. this is a national security issue.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)doing, saying exactly the same thing as any political strategist?? - Unless we have concrete evidence, and I am sure any ties to Russia and Putin by drumpf will be sniffed out...surely someone at a much higher pay scale than I is investigating, we will just have to wait...
Up until yesterday I had a friend...a golf friend of hubby's - he showed his true colors last night- I never said a word, like my hubby said afterwards, your silent treatment says more than words - I saw your body language - as I am witness to your silence..I knew it was time to go....he said this friend is going to be so apologetic and feel so bad..I say "I don't care"! - I am sick and tired of listening to their BS - just as they have lost the last two Prez elections they will lose again...
Let them wallow in their bigotry and hate - I choose to keep MY eye on the prize...
In the meantime GOTV - that is the real work....
From article -
lets unite to defeat trump then we can fix any mess with the DNC for the future. exactly!!!!!
randome
(34,845 posts)I think it's worth the effort to dig further.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing
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asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I agree someone needs to dig and keep digging until every stone is turned - I want the dotted lines to connect - to become straight line - provable fact....
We have another McCarthy on our hands...and I am all in GOTV .....against this ugly man...