2016 Postmortem
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Long ongoing friction is coming to the surface in the convention. But on Thursday night there will be a triumphal speech by Clinton, the balloons will drop, Sanders and a majority of his supporters will go with Clinton (with varying degrees of enthusiasm), and then the campaign will move forward.
There will be some who supported Bernie who will go with Stein instead, or will become totally cynical about partisan politics and focus elsewhere.
If Clinton can convince enough Sanders supporters -- and the overall population -- that she is capable and trustworthy and superior to Trump, she will win. If she can not...well, buckle up because we're in for a bumpy ride.
Regardless, on other levels the friction and give and take between the "centrists" and "progressives" who will work to reform the Democratic Party will continue long into the future. Hopefully, the Bernie movement will lead to enough reforms and open enough doors to create a more level playing field for progressives.
Life will go on.
msongs
(67,502 posts)drray23
(7,638 posts)Because right now I am not convinced Hillary will be able to speak without major disruptions.
MFM008
(19,837 posts)to be angry about a classless lack of courtesy.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)There is friction in real life.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)emulatorloo
(44,274 posts)Hope Bernie and Warren aren't booed tonight.
I will note that IMHO these folks don't speak for or represent the majority of Sanders primary supporters.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)Sanders supporters are already on board with HRC to the tune of 80-plus percent. This is about a small number of Johnny-come-lately-to-the-party assholes messing with our convention.
JI7
(89,289 posts)If they claim they will vote for the dem. All while trashing the candidate and party.
Attention seeking entitled a ssholes.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If 80 percent go for Hillary that takes her closer to election.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)They even offered Madame Clinton a roll-call as a gesture of good will and an attempt at party unity because Clinton supporters were still having trouble accepting Obama as the party's nominee.
The world didn't end because some people are dissatisfied that the person they supported lost. Those who truly value this country and its citizens will do the right thing.
JI7
(89,289 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)For god's sake - they can't even say her NAME.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)mostly because that didn't happen. Clinton's delegates comported themselves as one expects adults should.
This handful of bitterenders are behaving in a way that should result in having their credentials yanked. That they haven't been is indicative of great patience on the part of the the organizers.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)And it was a closer election.
She didn't whine, she didn't make demands, she didn't hold back her endorsement or let the resentments of her supporters fester.
It is a huge contrast.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I remember the comments of some of the Clinton delegates and some of the inappropriate remarks that were made. Many threatened to vote for McCain. I just think they were, perhaps, a tad more experienced in the political process and not willing to embarrass the party as the Sanders "supporters" seemed to be willing to do.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)Did she fan the flames by making demands or changes to the platform, refusing to endorse or to encourage her supporters to support Obama?
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Her supporters, on the other hand, openly threatened to vote for McCain -- at the convention and perhaps on this board as well.
Again, my point is that you can't always control your supporters. It looks like the Sanders supporters are hopefully toning things down now.
There should have been changes to the platform and Elijah Cummings said he worked well with Bernie to implement those changes. Bernie has encouraged his supporters to vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)If you "can't always control your supporters," you can still do your level best to get them to support the party's ticket. Sanders didn't do that.
Now it's late to "encourage" them to do anything -- or to "control" them, either.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)...their heads and wondering why it is that nobody takes them seriously.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's Trumpian to lump them (us) all together into one amorphous mass, as if we are all identical clones of each otehr.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)do not understand or support what we are all about. It is beyond offensive that delegates should be trashing our Party this way if they only intend to go off to vote Green. We aren't talking about Bernie supporters or voters, we are talking about Democratic delegates who theoretically care about the Democratic Party and its goals. These people are booing mention of civil rights advances and staying quiet at the mention of needing to stop Trump. These are not Democrats.
We see them.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I'm always in favor of people being healthy.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)JI7
(89,289 posts)These fuckers are going to vote trump in novembet
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)You hit the nail on the head this is exactly correct
book_worm
(15,951 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)David__77
(23,636 posts)That occurs to me as true!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)They screamed at a civil rights icon as he talked about his father and his heritage, BLM and women's rights. They screamed at a female AA pastor as she said a PRAYER.
These are disgusting thugs. Bernie delegates on MSNBC saying they will not vote for Hillary, that she should be in prison, that they will vote for Trump. Bernie delegates chanting "LOCK HER UP". These are NOT DEMOCRATS. They're not in my party and I will never again have patience to listen to their ENDLESS COMPLAINTS about everything. But hey guess what, they're not going to be the ones hurt by a Trump presidency! They don't give a SHIT about AAs, Latinos, Muslims, LGBT, women, the working poor, the poor and homeless, or the disabled. They don't give a SHIT about anyone but themselves. They will gleefully watch as those groups I mentioned get ground under the boot of a Trump presidency. They are driven by blind incoherent, violent rage. They must be the most selfish people on earth.
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)But just think, even if Trump wins, their consciences will be clear! And they'll feel good that they didn't compromise their principles! They'll know they are the true progressives! And who care about anyone else...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Sounds like you have a problem with reality.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)So, NO, they're not Democrats!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Then either the party is far smaller than we think, and we are screwed, or your definition of a Democrat is incorrect.
Or your reasoning is incorrect.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I'm talking about the people currently disrupting the convention.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)"They're not in my party and I will never again have patience to listen to their ENDLESS COMPLAINTS about everything."
40% of the delegates are Bernie Delegates.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and the other examples.
I never said and never meant all Bernie delegates. I was very clear I'm talking about the hateful disruptors at the convention.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)That's the ticket
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I am speaking ONLY about the hateful disruptors at the convention, NOT generalising to Bernie supporters in general.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and being apologists for it.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Fuck anyone who is booing at this convention.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I suggest you stock up on lube.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Get lost.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)These trolls on DU, I tell you, I have no patience for it tonight.
Sickening.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)They are not trolls. They are a fact, and you guys need to deal with it or risk losing the election by failing to unify the party.
Those emails are a betrayal, and I don't blame the Sanders supporters one bit for being angry. They should dissolve the DNC and vote in a new organization.
I hope someone pays attention. Democratic Party, if you want to unify people, then stop with the name calling, play fair, and offer a real place at the table.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Are you watching the convention live, or do you have one 10 minute clip from several hours ago on a continuous loop?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)There is more life in muddy water.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Or talk tough about putting a stop to Sanders' supporters.
I'm dismayed.,