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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:15 AM Jul 2016

If Hillary Clinton were a man - By Richard Cohen

By Richard Cohen

What if Hillary Clinton were a man? What if she were a 68-year-old man rather than a 68-year-old woman? Would we think differently of her? Her raised voice would be lower. She would be better at physically commanding the stage. Her indomitability might be seen as manly. If she were taller and bigger, might she have been able to get away with saying nothing about her email server — as Donald Trump has with his tax returns? As they say, I’m just askin’.

I am asking because the dislike of Clinton is so palpable that it has become akin to a prejudice. I understand the criticisms and don’t reject them out of hand. She has been slippery. She has fibbed. She has used a private email server, which was wrong and careless. She has been the marital partner of a man who has taken other partners. She did not leave him, as many women wanted her to do. To them, she became the personification of the female doormat.

Still, it does not all add up. I know her a bit but I know others who know her quite well. In the corners of rooms dedicated to ugly gossip and whispered betrayals, what you hear from those who know her is not agreement with the general consensus but puzzlement: She’s warm. She’s bright. She’s charming. She has a great sense of humor.

And yet, on the podium, these qualities are rarely in sight. Her voice escalates, the pitch rising, the emphasis misplaced. She is often rhetorically wrong-footed. Her smile seems fake, the wave is to no one, the laugh sounds manufactured. She is defensive. She fights for privacy yet she has chosen politics played on the most expansive of all scales. If she wins, she will be a renter in a house owned by all of us. She will remain under continuous observation.

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cyberpunk

(78 posts)
1. She is the antithesis of the tech sector, maybe?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jul 2016

And I hate the fact that it's come down to a literal murderous, raving lunatic against someone who has espoused the necessity for a "Manhattan project against encryption", because otherwise I'd be looking for any other possible out. Someone who believes that the answer to domestic encryption is "nuke it" on a metaphorical scale is not a friend or ally of mine, but now, she's the only viable choice.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
2. So there you go, "she has been married to the marital partner
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jul 2016

of a man who has taken other partners."

So of course she is the WOMAN who is to blame for her husbands infidelity. How many times must that be printed?

Pure sexism.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
3. I know a lot of women who feel that way about Sec'y Clinton...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jul 2016

and I've seen women, self ID'd feminists, making that argument.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
4. So are you suggesting that this is not sexism?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jul 2016

That b/c her husband was unfaithful to his vows, she is somehow to blame?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
5. No, not at all....
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jul 2016

Personally, I believe women that make that argument are either lacking in self-awareness/not at all feminists or, are lunatics.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
11. Of course I did, and have been reading Richard Cohen for years.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

I can never remember him saying anything complementary about her.

Fla Dem

(23,898 posts)
12. Yes I read it. It was a very passive agressive article
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

On one hand Mr Cohen begins his article by pointing out all the behavior that would be unacceptablre for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman, having a child out of wedlock, having the male persona that would allow her to ignore/shake off the email snafu or like Trump AND Bernie not releasing their tax returns.

Then he says," but yes she's fibbed, she's slippery". Excuse me, most men get away with fibbing and being slippery. Name me one male politician who will give a reporter a straight answer or who doesn't equivocate to avoid answering.

But then he says, "but it still doesn't add up" oh my, he's in such a quandary.

He says:
"what you hear from those who know her is not agreement with the general consensus but puzzlement: She’s warm. She’s bright. She’s charming. She has a great sense of humor.:

Then whiplash again

"And yet, on the podium, these qualities are rarely in sight. Her voice escalates, the pitch rising, the emphasis misplaced. She is often rhetorically wrong-footed. Her smile seems fake, the wave is to no one, the laugh sounds manufactured. She is defensive. She fights for privacy yet she has chosen politics played on the most expansive of all scales. If she wins, she will be a renter in a house owned by all of us. She will remain under continuous observation."

Wow if there was ever male misogyny on display, there it was in one paragraph.

"They weren’t a team. They were a machine. She was no ordinary political spouse, whatever that might mean or might have meant." (He doesn't even know what he means.

I'm not even going to dissect the rest of his column. It's utter lunacy. He wrote what he want his less perceptive readers to think was a sympathetic, empathetic column about the trials and tribulations of being Hillary Clinton, of being misunderstood and being a woman. Instead it was a hit piece that reinforced all the stereotypes there are about HRC and other influential, powerful woman.

He's a jerk.


Cosmocat

(14,596 posts)
7. Yes, she is a politician
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jul 2016

good at the actual functional responsibilities, not as good at the fakey part.

Which bores down to the point, what if she was a man?

This kind of nitpicking would not be as manifest.

RobinA

(9,911 posts)
8. It's Mostly
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jul 2016

that she's a woman. It doesn't help that she is not a natural public speaker. Not many people are, but she happens to be married to somebody who appears to have be born for public speaking.

As a woman, people feel they can weigh in on her personal life. Many men in public life have been less than faithful, but it seems to run off their backs. Hillary gasp! stayed married to a cheater. What is wrong with that woman???? What kind of feminist is she???? And don't forget how ambitious she is!!! Witch! We want people in the White House who just woke up President one day!

I suspect on the podium she has a bit of Al Gore syndrome. Known personally for being sharp and having a great sense of humor, on the podium he was a stiff. If you aren't comfortable up there, all you can do is fake it, your natural instincts don't help you because you don't have any that are helpful in that situation, and then you come off as...fake.

I do wish she'd get a speaking coach, or a different speaking coach.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
10. So another article that covertly attacks Clinton
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jul 2016

By enumerating all the attacks on Clinton while presenting itself as concern for the role her gender might play in the random and endless attacks on Clinton. And around it goes.


Kind of a "concern circle"

shrike

(3,817 posts)
13. Someone I know said something similar about Hillary. He was shocked by how different she is
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jul 2016

in person. Very warm. Very bright. Very personable. He said it's a shame those qualities don't shine through when she's on camera.

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