2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRemember, the trouble makers are a small IGNORANT fringe. 90% of Bernie supporters are aboard.
Granted, the screechers in the hall need a lesson in REALITY and a lesson in RESPECT.
Some of this Bernie campaign FRINGE got themselves into a FRENZY over their candidate and the "movement." They invested in it like a religion, and many for the first time. I can understand the profound disappointment. What they must remember is that politics isn't a religion. It is a process whereby someone wins and someone loses. We all have to face disappointment. I have had to face it MANY times, having put my heart and soul into campaigns and we came up short. Other times we won. That's the nature of the beast. I like Bernie a hell of a lot. He beat all expectations.
He did some great things with that campaign and had a big impact on the platform. Knowing how he was such an underdog, those are great victories in that sense. I do hope that he, Weaver, and Devine will follow through and continue their movement in ways that will keep all those people really engaged.
But now they must see that interrupting people like Elijah Cummings and booing people is RUDE, NOT "progressive," DISRESPECTFUL, and CHILDISH. There is no room for it at a PARTY convention. That convention is not there for RADICALS to mount ridiculous protests
on the floor of the party hall. To think there are some Bernie delegates saying they will not vote for the nominee. UNACCEPTABLE.
So fringe people, Bernie or Bust people, I have one piece of advice for you. GROW THE HELL UP! Do you really want Trump, the most vile asshole to ever win a party nomination? If not, GROW UP, SMARTEN UP, LISTEN TO BERNIE, and work to beat Trump!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)The shriekers, the small minority of assholes, need to experience an old fashioned ass whooping.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Tal Vez
(660 posts)And, if they remain involved in politics, it will certainly not be their last defeat.
They just need to learn how to recover from a setback, how to get back up and how to gracefully move forward. A lot of that comes with experience. A defeat or setback will strengthen a person if he/she gets back up and finds a constructive path. By November, nearly all of them will be able to see what is pretty obvious.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)unwillingness to learn from defeat, though. Everything has to be handed to 'em, whether warranted or not.
Tal Vez
(660 posts)If you had supported Sanders and somehow developed the belief that Sanders and Clinton are "polar opposites" on the issues, would you be able to support Clinton. I wouldn't.
What is behind this delusion that the two are "polar opposites" on the issues?
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)RW smears, instead of actually looking at her real record, and real accomplishments.
Tal Vez
(660 posts)but the right wingers have always cast Clinton as a left wing radical. There are supporters of Sanders who somehow developed the opinion that Clinton is a right wing conservative. For me, it is hard to imagine how anyone could arrive at that view of Clinton, particularly if they had been around during all those decades of right wing smears of Clinton.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)the right wing conservative shit
RonniePudding
(889 posts)Involuntarily if necessary.
They are green party-naderite pissants.
Maru Kitteh
(28,350 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)to represent him at the convention. Therefore they are NOT insignificant. They have influence among an admittedly small but potentially decisive number of naive and/or destructive voters.
I will not ignore them or write them off as an aberration. There are too many out there cheering them on.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and yet all she heard the other night was "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary", and "it was disappointing" and it upset her.
I thought she was kidding. She wasn't.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)that is delusional
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but mostly sad.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)all ballots have been tallied. I believe some still believe that Sanders has a chance to win the nomination at the Convention. I don't see how they can believe that. I really don't.
Maru Kitteh
(28,350 posts)It was geared mostly around him, and he got the prime spot of honor for the evening.
"We finally got to hear our candidate" "I just wish she reached out to us, even just a little"
Are you fucking kidding me? Helllloooooooo - platform committee ringing any bells? Debt-free college, public option, $15 minimum wage, vocal opposition to the TPP and agreement from the VP that he will do the same RINGING ANY GODDAMN BELLS YET?
It has become a cult/religion for a very unfortunate few. Thank god 90% of Bernie supporters have the grace, intelligence, sanity and maturity to follow his example of class, and cast their vote for HRC.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #7)
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csziggy
(34,141 posts)I knew there were going to be disruptors with nothing productive to do.
Sen. Sanders had a meeting with some of his delegates yesterday afternoon. When he asked them to vote for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, they booed SANDERS! I don't think Sanders handled it very well and he clearly did not expect that reaction. He did not go after the booing delegates, he just kind of faded away and ended the meeting.
If Sanders had reacted strongly and told his supporters how important it was that they vote for Clinton, last night might have gone better.
Maru Kitteh
(28,350 posts)Plainly and clearly like he was talking to a bunch of children, since he clearly was speaking to a bunch of children in that room at that time. I would like to see him more forcefully rebuke their behavior still, (yesterday's text message needs reinforcement) as I do believe it would have some effect.
calguy
(5,353 posts)when I was a very young and politically inexperienced McGovern supporter back in '72. Had McGovern not won the nomination back then, I would have felt and acted the same way.
Looking back all those years ago, I now realize how foolish and naïve we were to think he had a chance to win. Time has taught me how little I really knew back then.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Unfortunately, as with all demographics, the loudest and most vulgar get the prime-time news spots.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,350 posts)After shouting and booing at E.C. - Fuck them. Seriously.
glennward
(989 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I see on Facebook who the die-hards are. They are not my rational friends, they are closer to emotional reactionaries. But, they did not come to this place by themselves,they were led there by agent provocateurs spouting the negative CT bullshit about rigged elections, etc.. There was a concerted effort to divide and conquer, and there is resaon to believe those behind the effort had the DNC files in their possession when they were promulgating the divisiveness.
I got the distinct impression months ago of a plot to make Berners so disillusioned they would go home and never vote again.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)We Dems. here know (unfortunately) how to deal with setbacks.
lapucelle
(18,419 posts)Earlier they were showing protests. There was a Bernie die-in. Then there was a lunatic right winger screaming that "Horrible slur for gays are worthy of death."
Now they're replaying Michelle's speech.
No talking heads for me this week. They are bad actors looking to stir discord. I don't need overpaid hacks telling me what I'm seeing.