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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:55 PM Jul 2016

Get Palestinian flag wavers out of the DNC convention!

I didn't see it until this morning, and I have heard false rumors that there were more Palestinian flags than American flags at the convention. That's not true.

http://www.snopes.com/flags-banned-at-dnc/
https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/07/26/reports-palestinian-flags-outnumber-american-flags-at-democratic-national-convention/

However, some delegate raised a big Palestinian flag. This kind of stuff is a distraction, a foreign flag, will help Donald Trump in swing states, and is counter to the view of We, the People, on the broad level think this

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Get Palestinian flag wavers out of the DNC convention! (Original Post) ericson00 Jul 2016 OP
Because freedom, or something? Orsino Jul 2016 #1
Suicide bombings, plane hijackings, Olympian murders ericson00 Jul 2016 #3
Jewish lives don't seem to matter to some people. It's sickening. grossproffit Jul 2016 #7
Palestinian lives don't seem to matter to some people. It's sickening. pangaia Jul 2016 #15
Gee, did the Palestinians think American lives mattered ericson00 Jul 2016 #18
Are you donald trump? runaway hero Jul 2016 #75
Ask that to the anchors who showed the footage ericson00 Jul 2016 #80
It doesn't belong at the convention,that's the bottom line. sufrommich Jul 2016 #20
Political concerns belong at political conventions. Orsino Jul 2016 #30
Nope,not at the convention.Fly it outside of the sufrommich Jul 2016 #34
Please, leave long hair on men alone : ) Chiquitita Jul 2016 #81
The flag stands for much more than that. Orsino Jul 2016 #13
It doesnt belong at a political convention here ericson00 Jul 2016 #16
Now wait a gosh darn minute. pangaia Jul 2016 #52
+1 iandhr Jul 2016 #67
Seriously? Do you not understand the American public sufrommich Jul 2016 #6
Or the concept of freedom. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #11
Not during a DEMOCRATIC or even a REPUBLICAN convention question everything Jul 2016 #24
You really think those leftynyc Jul 2016 #27
It IS insulting. You hit the nail on the head. grossproffit Jul 2016 #33
^^^ THIS^^^ COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #82
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #35
I really think those Orsino Jul 2016 #44
We'll let alone the fact leftynyc Jul 2016 #55
It's not a fact. Orsino Jul 2016 #56
I didn't say they were all terrorists leftynyc Jul 2016 #59
I want my party to decide what to do about it. Orsino Jul 2016 #62
I think we should let the Palestinians leftynyc Jul 2016 #63
That's good. Orsino Jul 2016 #64
At an American political party convention, all foreign flags ericson00 Jul 2016 #65
I don't agree on that point. Orsino Jul 2016 #68
Hyperbolic bullshit leftynyc Jul 2016 #69
Banning from the convention would be erasure. Orsino Jul 2016 #71
No it wouldn't oberliner Jul 2016 #73
I simply can't roll my eyes leftynyc Jul 2016 #77
I'm waiting for a definition of banning a flag... Orsino Jul 2016 #78
NOBODY is talking about banning leftynyc Jul 2016 #79
Well, no one other than the OP and, say, reply 27. Orsino Jul 2016 #91
Not thinking that it's proper leftynyc Jul 2016 #92
I was responding to more specific objections. Orsino Jul 2016 #93
That it was a Palestinian flag isn't my point at all leftynyc Jul 2016 #94
Yeah, those Palestinians Bettie Jul 2016 #2
No one said that. Are there other foreign flags being sufrommich Jul 2016 #9
So you WANT other flags, OR.. you DON'T want other flags? pangaia Jul 2016 #17
I don't want any foreign flags there. Why give Trump such easy sufrommich Jul 2016 #22
While I think we should be more even-handed in dealing with I/P and we should condemn the DanTex Jul 2016 #4
Thank you for posting this. grossproffit Jul 2016 #5
I don't have a problem SheenaR Jul 2016 #8
Thats not a foreign flag ericson00 Jul 2016 #10
Gee, looks to me like the Palestinians could USE a little more support. pangaia Jul 2016 #12
They can get it from leftynyc Jul 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #14
+1000 SheenaR Jul 2016 #19
never thought of that. I'll get one, by george.. pangaia Jul 2016 #28
Why do you suppose they think that. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #43
Because they are ignorant buffoons. pangaia Jul 2016 #46
So you say that people IRL and online think you hate Jewish people, and it's everyone else, not you Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #51
HUH? Einstein didn't invent the atomic bomb. pangaia Jul 2016 #54
Nobody gives a shit who's flag you fly. I give a shit sufrommich Jul 2016 #31
When US politicians stop spending billions and trillions of US tax payer dollars on cpwm17 Jul 2016 #48
Great selection of Israeli flags too! 6chars Jul 2016 #47
Why don't you go and take them out of their hands yourself? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #21
I jesus, that is the best post of the day.... pangaia Jul 2016 #32
I swear if it's not one thing it's another with this one. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #39
As long as you don't take a shower on the Dem Convention floor the whole world will be happy. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #45
Puerto Rico is part of the United States oberliner Jul 2016 #66
Oh! Is it? Really? pangaia Jul 2016 #70
Yes, it is a US territory oberliner Jul 2016 #72
as long as the same rule applies to Palestinian flags and Israeli flags geek tragedy Jul 2016 #23
All foreign flags. ericson00 Jul 2016 #25
if the rule is no foreign flags, then no foreign flags period geek tragedy Jul 2016 #26
Can I bring a little eentsie, teensie little tiny Cuban Flag? pangaia Jul 2016 #37
If u wanna elect Trump ericson00 Jul 2016 #38
A 2" little flag that nobody in tv land will see is gong to....elect trump? pangaia Jul 2016 #40
"Labour" (unless it's Australia) Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #53
shit, I know that too, I could have sworn I typed that "u" out nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #58
I don't think it's appropriate DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #36
Freedom of expression TubbersUK Jul 2016 #41
What does that have to do with flying a foreign flag ericson00 Jul 2016 #42
YOU introduced that polling to support your argument, not me. TubbersUK Jul 2016 #49
Or Freedom of Expression for that matter. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #50
"As an aside ........." n/t TubbersUK Jul 2016 #60
This is a convention to determine the leader of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.... no foreign flags! scheming daemons Jul 2016 #57
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #61
I agree rockfordfile Jul 2016 #84
YES. n/t VOX Jul 2016 #85
exactly nt independentpiney Jul 2016 #88
I wonder what the response would be to people waving Israeli flags oberliner Jul 2016 #74
and people here would be all up in arms ericson00 Jul 2016 #83
Or this flag. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #86
Who is the OP supporting here? runaway hero Jul 2016 #76
Leave the xenophobic nationalism to Trump, please. chascarrillo Jul 2016 #87
Foreign policy... TeeYiYi Jul 2016 #89
here's the guy's twitter feed ericson00 Jul 2016 #90

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
1. Because freedom, or something?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

I think we need more Palestinian flags. Might actually lead to more realistic policy discussions.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
3. Suicide bombings, plane hijackings, Olympian murders
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

Don't go over so well with the electorate, especially as Palestinian terror groups like Hamas yell the same thing as members of Isis when they carry out their evil deeds.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
20. It doesn't belong at the convention,that's the bottom line.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

It's like every stereotypical satire of the left,like man buns and Che t-shirts.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
30. Political concerns belong at political conventions.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jul 2016

Politicians who don't want protests had better offer great policy.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
81. Please, leave long hair on men alone : )
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jul 2016

It looks lovely to me, and hair is non partisan. The bun, on anyone, can be a natural look, and it's none of our business. For me it seems like a perfectly nice thing out of youth culture. Not everyone wants short hair.

And for a smile check out how our presidents might look with manbuns, including Lincoln: http://www.popsugar.com/beauty/Politicians-Man-Buns-38918062?slide=6

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. The flag stands for much more than that.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

The Establishment and brain-dead MSM don't want us acknowledging it, but the things you listed should all be addressed by intellugent, humane policy. Not flag bans.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
16. It doesnt belong at a political convention here
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

Nor would the Israel flag, the South Korean flag, the Aussie flag, etc

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
52. Now wait a gosh darn minute.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

I object to your objection to the ROK flag. Several of my Korean friends are some of the greatest classical musicians in the world.

And then there is bimbimbap and Korean Bar-B-Que...

Oh, and SUJO !!

ummmmmmm

question everything

(47,616 posts)
24. Not during a DEMOCRATIC or even a REPUBLICAN convention
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016

I've always had trouble with people waving Mexican flags when they want to change U.S. laws.

You don't wave a foreign flag during talks about U.S. laws.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. You really think those
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

that voted in the thoroughly corrupt abbas or the terrorists in hamas to be their leaders is really what the Democrats need right now? It's insulting and will only hurt our party. Fly whatever fucking flag you want at your home. The US is the ONLY country's flag that should be flying at the convention.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
44. I really think those
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

...whom US policy specifically recognizes and accommodates can become valuable allies. I don't expect the GOP to be grown-up enough to sign on, and I want Democrats leading the way.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
55. We'll let alone the fact
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jul 2016

that NO other country's flag should be flown at any convention. When the Palestinians act like responsible adults who want peace, I'm sure the Democrats will be ready to listen.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
59. I didn't say they were all terrorists
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jul 2016

so you can stop losing this discussion by shoving words in my mouth any time now. They VOTED in a terrorist organization to be their leaders (the Palestinians in gaza). That is not something I want my party to be any part of.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
62. I want my party to decide what to do about it.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016

They will face inconvenient protests until good solutions are in place.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
63. I think we should let the Palestinians
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

decide what to do about their leaders - then they'll have to deal with the consequences. I don't believe they need to be treated as children. But that's just me.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
64. That's good.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jul 2016

I would go so far as to add that their flag ought not to be erased, any more than any other flag of people we need to partner with.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
68. I don't agree on that point.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

Flags standing for entire peoples ought to be seen. Even if one doesn't agree on that point, one must admit that banning such things sends a very particular message.

I would welcome Mexican and Cuban flags, but not Confederate flags. Real nations containing real people have value.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
69. Hyperbolic bullshit
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

NOBODY is asking for the flag to be ERASED. Just not to be flown at a party convention. NO other country's flag should be flown at the party convention. Are you pretending not to understand the difference?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
77. I simply can't roll my eyes
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jul 2016

far enough back into my head to convey the way I view your histrionics on this.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
79. NOBODY is talking about banning
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

Just that it's in horrible taste to fly ANY other country's flag during a party convention. Go fly 100 of their flags at your house, nobody will care.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
91. Well, no one other than the OP and, say, reply 27.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

Opposing foreign flags generally is a defensible position, though I would personally welcome such signs of pluralism in the modern era of GOP paranoia and xenophobia.

A general ban would certainly sidestep charges of erasure.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
92. Not thinking that it's proper
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

to fly a foreign flag during a party convention is NOT erasing the flag. Hyperbole is not helping your case at all.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
93. I was responding to more specific objections.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

Letting the thread be about the Palestinian flag may have been unintentional, and was not a defensible case to make.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
94. That it was a Palestinian flag isn't my point at all
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jul 2016

Although it was that flag that the OP was about. It wasn't specifically the Palestinian flag I objected to (although flying that particular flag turns my stomach) but that ANY foreign country's flag should fly at a party convention. Not good visuals, not good politics, not common sense.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. So you WANT other flags, OR.. you DON'T want other flags?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

Or, just bitching about Palestinian flags.

Let's say some people were waving... oh... Sri Lankan flags.

What would you feel, or better yet, think, about that?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
4. While I think we should be more even-handed in dealing with I/P and we should condemn the
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

illegal occupation and settlements, I don't think foreign flags are appropriate at a convention, just for the sake of decorum.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
8. I don't have a problem
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

with an American citizen being passionate about an issue close to their heart.

Do we take away all the NO TPP signs that were being held up even though it goes against PBO?

Two-state solution. My $.02

Response to ericson00 (Original post)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. never thought of that. I'll get one, by george..
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

Of course, in the eyes of some, that will mean I hate Jewish people.

Like some of the people in the group of townhouses in which I live eem to think..



Maru Kitteh

(28,350 posts)
51. So you say that people IRL and online think you hate Jewish people, and it's everyone else, not you
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jul 2016

that is the root of this issue. Okay then.

Good to know.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
31. Nobody gives a shit who's flag you fly. I give a shit
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016

if you do it at the democratic convention. How hard is that to understand?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
48. When US politicians stop spending billions and trillions of US tax payer dollars on
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

foreign nations and foreign wars I'll be against flying foreign flags at the Democratic Convention. Now doing such is totally appropriate as a protest to US policy.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. I jesus, that is the best post of the day....
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016


PS. I have a Puerto Rican towel/flag as my 'step-out-of-the-shower mat.


Love it !!!

Maru Kitteh

(28,350 posts)
45. As long as you don't take a shower on the Dem Convention floor the whole world will be happy.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

Not a difficult concept.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. Yes, it is a US territory
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jul 2016

So that would be different from a foreign flag, which I don't think would be appropriate.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. as long as the same rule applies to Palestinian flags and Israeli flags
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016

I'm fine with whatever.

Personally, I don't think foreign countries' flags should be flying at our convention.

People don't wave the Stars and Stripes at Labor Party gatherings.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
25. All foreign flags.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jul 2016

Especially large ones that cause a distraction and also promote views that will hurt us in November

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. Can I bring a little eentsie, teensie little tiny Cuban Flag?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

About 2" long, and stick it in my hat?

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
36. I don't think it's appropriate
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

to wave around ANY foreign flag at a political party convention. No matter WHAT party.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
41. Freedom of expression
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

As an aside, from the same polling that you cite to support your proposed ban:

More Still Favor Than Oppose an Independent Palestinian State


One other trend question asked in the survey shows somewhat more U.S. understanding for the Palestinians. By a slight margin, 44% to 37%, more Americans favor than oppose the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Those results are in line with what Gallup has measured since 2013; however, there were larger margins in favor of a Palestinian state in most prior years.


On this question, the two political parties have substantively different views, with 58% of Democrats supporting the establishment of a Palestinian state, compared with 26% of Republicans.


Given this, it is intriguing that more Americans continue to favor than oppose the creation of a Palestinian state. The finding suggests that despite the lack of U.S. diplomatic activity on this issue in recent years, it is still something Americans would generally welcome should the next president be willing to work toward it.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
49. YOU introduced that polling to support your argument, not me.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

ETA: and as it turns out there was bit more to it.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
57. This is a convention to determine the leader of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.... no foreign flags!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jul 2016

American flags, of course.

State flags, fine.

organizational flags (unions, rights groups, etc), ok.


flags of other nations? ABSOLUTELY NOT.


TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
89. Foreign policy...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

...in the Middle East, as it relates to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the possibility of an eventual peaceful resolution, is very much a Presidential Campaign issue in 2016, that deserves respectful and evenhanded representation at the Democratic Convention.

I've seen no dearth of American flags or enthusiastic patriotism at the convention so far. The idea that American nationalism could possibly be upstaged by one Palestinian flag at the 2016 Democratic Convention is petty and ludicrous.

TYY

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