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trof

(54,256 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:25 PM Jul 2016

OK, I'll say it. Bernie should have been a bigger person.

He called for the official record to reflect the actual votes.
OK, fair enough I guess?
But what is he trying to prove?
I dunno.

Then he called to 'suspend the rules', and named Hillary as the official nominee.
But he didn't call for her nomination to be "by acclamation".

The chair did that.
In 2008 Hillary did it for Obama.

I was a Bernie $upporter, but he disappointed me tonight.

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OK, I'll say it. Bernie should have been a bigger person. (Original Post) trof Jul 2016 OP
Not good enough, Bernie! The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #1
What does it matter? The headlines are all giving him credit for supporting her nomination. writes3000 Jul 2016 #2
Nonsense. sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #3
Seems like semantics. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #4
Nit-picking. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #5
I didn't notice it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #11
He did fine. n/t cynatnite Jul 2016 #6
I think he knew his supporters needed to see him and hear him ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #7
Didn't get your pony, eh? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #8
He did great Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #9
You could not be any smaller right now awake Jul 2016 #10
As a fervent Hillary supporter, I completely agree with you. auntpurl Jul 2016 #16
As a Bernie supporter he has brought me to "be with her" awake Jul 2016 #25
YES. Bernie was a BIG BIG person tonight. We are a unified party auntpurl Jul 2016 #31
It means a lot to me to hear you say this. GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 #57
Yes, yesterday was a bad day. auntpurl Jul 2016 #58
It sure is! GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 #59
They will NEVER see it because nothing he does is ever good enough Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #74
We can talk about this next week. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #12
And something tells me this will be latched onto by some as just the "technicality" they need. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #13
Exactly. fun n serious Jul 2016 #34
Nonsense. auntpurl Jul 2016 #14
Oh stop picking. wildeyed Jul 2016 #15
Seriously? MelSC Jul 2016 #17
Waaaaat??? workinclasszero Jul 2016 #18
Clinton just beat out four men... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #19
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #79
I'm not sure where I haven't shown class. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #83
Yes, he did call for Clinton's nomination by acclamation... Raster Jul 2016 #20
I think the point... JSup Jul 2016 #21
Bernie did right by both his supporters and the nominee Txbluedog Jul 2016 #22
Who cares? jzodda Jul 2016 #23
Just can't stop the bashing huh. It's useless to alert riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #24
Literally NO ONE on this thread agrees with the OP auntpurl Jul 2016 #33
There are four recs as of this moment - all Hillary supporters riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #41
Yeah? Well, I got two hides last night, my first hides EVER auntpurl Jul 2016 #47
8 recs now riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #86
10 recs now. Proud? riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #89
That OP post comparing Bernie to Cruz was removed, John Poet Jul 2016 #70
I alerted on it too but to no avail. Stayed up all night Arazi Jul 2016 #75
Good lawd. demmiblue Jul 2016 #26
You forgot the sarcasm thingie. redwitch Jul 2016 #27
what did Hill say in 08 krawhitham Jul 2016 #28
There ya go. She said the words. "By acclamation". trof Jul 2016 #35
In what way do you think that posting this will help build party unity John Poet Jul 2016 #29
A lot was going on. It was an honest mistake, and the chair corrected it. still_one Jul 2016 #30
What Bernie said: yallerdawg Jul 2016 #32
I guess this was your last shot to get a dig in at Sanders. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #36
Let it go GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #37
Thanks, and yes. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #65
And the DNC shouldn't have had incriminating emails to dump. n/t That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #38
Don't be so petty. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #39
Jesus, trof Ruby the Liberal Jul 2016 #40
Kinda funny. trof Jul 2016 #42
My favorite color is blue. Onyrleft Jul 2016 #43
I think he showed great class mcar Jul 2016 #44
Unity. One can hope. trof Jul 2016 #46
Silly OP! longship Jul 2016 #45
Silly reply! trof Jul 2016 #49
He has spent 2 days delicately walking a tightrope MSMITH33156 Jul 2016 #48
Booooooooo! aikoaiko Jul 2016 #50
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay trof Jul 2016 #60
Very childish and narcisstic behavior avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #72
More poutrage. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #51
Give it a rest matt819 Jul 2016 #52
I give that man so much credit RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #53
I actually agreed with what he did. RandySF Jul 2016 #54
I feel great. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #55
You're kidding right? lapucelle Jul 2016 #56
I'm series. trof Jul 2016 #61
You disappoint me with this thread. redwitch Jul 2016 #62
No matter what, it's not good enough. Bernie was the best candidate in my lifetime B Calm Jul 2016 #63
This post is an example of why some people shouldn't be involved in politics... Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #64
I think the way he did it made sense democrattotheend Jul 2016 #66
No. You should have. chascarrillo Jul 2016 #67
Bernie did good Old Terp Jul 2016 #68
You rec'd your own post... Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #69
Seriously, that is just sad. auntpurl Jul 2016 #91
You Couldn't Possibly Be A Bernie Supporter... WiffenPoof Jul 2016 #71
Maybe If You Put Down Bernie Supporters Enough You Will Get Trump Elected Yallow Jul 2016 #73
Silly elleng Jul 2016 #76
^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ still_one Jul 2016 #78
The Bob's need to be bigger people liberal N proud Jul 2016 #77
He couldn't afford to release his delegates. joshcryer Jul 2016 #80
Bernie did just what he should have done EffieBlack Jul 2016 #81
OK, I'll say it. Bernie should have been a bigger person. LenaBaby61 Jul 2016 #82
I'm not a Bernie person but bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #84
I think it was appropriate and good for three reasons.. lostnfound Jul 2016 #85
C'mon, man!! Either quit drinking, or start - time for an attitude adjustment! bullwinkle428 Jul 2016 #87
just R0ckyRac00n Jul 2016 #88
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jul 2016 #90
Get over it and get people registered to vote in swing states The Second Stone Jul 2016 #92
Another party unity post. B Calm Jul 2016 #93

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,027 posts)
1. Not good enough, Bernie!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jul 2016

Sounds like a quibble to me. Did he have to say the word "acclamation" since the result of releasing his delegates was exactly that?

ismnotwasm

(42,030 posts)
7. I think he knew his supporters needed to see him and hear him
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jul 2016

I am not his biggest fan, but there are so many very passionate, good people who believe in him with all their hearts, he almost had to do it that way.

awake

(3,226 posts)
10. You could not be any smaller right now
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie is working his hart out to bring as many of his supporters along as he can I am sorry that you are not able to see that.

awake

(3,226 posts)
25. As a Bernie supporter he has brought me to "be with her"
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jul 2016

Most of of are now once again on the same team again, let us go together and make Hillary the next POTUS.
lets all let bygones be bygones

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
74. They will NEVER see it because nothing he does is ever good enough
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016

I keep reminding myself that there are a few here are blind with hate for Bernie.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
13. And something tells me this will be latched onto by some as just the "technicality" they need.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jul 2016

Now I suspect there will be some people who will forever say that she never "properly" was nominated, and therefore can't be the legitimate nominee, or something like that. I may just bookmark this for future citation.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
34. Exactly.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

I think we deserve to have our voices heard. I'm dissapointed in Bernie. In 2008 Hillary lost by less than 1% of the vote. Today Hillary won by a landslide.. I too need and should have my voice heard.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
14. Nonsense.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jul 2016

He did everything he could have done to try to unify the party while keeping as many of his supporters on board as possible. This is petty, especially on such a wonderful and historic day.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
18. Waaaaat???
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jul 2016

Cmon! Bernie did great by Hillary!

This is the time for unity! Hillary and Bernie will be shoulder to shoulder against Trump and we need to be right their with them!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. Clinton just beat out four men...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

To become the first female nominee of a major party. She did so in epic fashion. It was a bookend blowout. Who cares about the rest at this point.

This is about Clinton and the first female nominee no matter how hard others try to bask in the limelight.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #19)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
83. I'm not sure where I haven't shown class.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

Really shitty remark on your part.

Sanders rocks. Fuck Trump.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
20. Yes, he did call for Clinton's nomination by acclamation...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jul 2016

PHILADELPHIA — Sen. Bernie Sanders, in a move to bridge the divide in the Democratic Pary, on Tuesday moved to nominate Hillary Clinton by acclamation as the Democratic nominee for president.

His motion came after nearly two hours of roll call votes and was greeted with chants of "Bernie, Bernie."

The Vermont has waited 15 months to watch his delegates cast ballots for him at the Democratic National Convention.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/26/bernie-sanders-awaits-roll-call-vote/87561974/

JSup

(740 posts)
21. I think the point...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jul 2016

...was so that the votes made by his supporters were acknowledged and not just swept under the rug. I thought it was a pretty awesome way to do things.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. Just can't stop the bashing huh. It's useless to alert
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jul 2016

too many here agree with you it's futile. Besides I hope this stands for hours as a testament of pettiness and sheer mean-spiritedness.

Watch as this gets recs....



auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
33. Literally NO ONE on this thread agrees with the OP
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jul 2016

as the posts show. And most of those posts are from Hillary supporters.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. There are four recs as of this moment - all Hillary supporters
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

my five failed alerts last night on the despicable Bernie bashing all failed, including the one saying Bernie was like Ted Cruz.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
47. Yeah? Well, I got two hides last night, my first hides EVER
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jul 2016

for posts that did not break the rules, within 5 minutes of each other. There's enough assholery to go around. I am going to use the words of Michelle Obama - when they go low, I'll go high. We are a UNIFIED party now and must move forward to win in November.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
86. 8 recs now
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jul 2016

I alerted an hour and a half ago.

As for your hides well, all I'll say about those is you also were not aiming for unity last night.

Too bad this "unity" effort has decided to keep the Bernie bashing going.



krawhitham

(4,651 posts)
28. what did Hill say in 08
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016
Madam Secretary, Madam Secretary, I move that the convention suspend the procedural rules and suspend the further conduct of the roll call vote. All votes cast by the delegates will be counted, and that I move Senator Barack Obama of Illinois be selected by this convention by acclamation as the nominee of the Democratic Party for president of the United States!
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
29. In what way do you think that posting this will help build party unity
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

and lead to a victory in November?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
32. What Bernie said:
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jul 2016

MR. SANDERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MOVE THAT THE CONVENTION SUSPEND THE PROCEDURAL RULES. I MOVE THAT ALL VOTES CAST BY DELEGATES BE REFLECTED IN THE OFFICIAL RECORD, AND I MOVE THAT HILLARY CLINTON BE SELECTED AS THE NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
36. I guess this was your last shot to get a dig in at Sanders.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

He did a good thing tonight - - there is no need to be petty and a sore winner. What Sanders did tonight really helped with unity.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
37. Let it go
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

This convention is working out better than most of us expected.

I supported Hillary, but near about 45% supported Sanders. Recording that fact makes us stronger, not weaker.

Hell, half the republicans boycotted their convention since they knew their voice would be squelched.

And Bernie is now all in for her! He pretty much sent the message that a person who does not support Clinton cannot claim to be a Bernie supporter.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
65. Thanks, and yes.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jul 2016

I was and am a fan of Bernie. He has (as well as many folks here) convinced me to support our nominee.

Period.

Onyrleft

(344 posts)
43. My favorite color is blue.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jul 2016

I seek the Grail.

Do you mean the European swallow or the African swallow.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
48. He has spent 2 days delicately walking a tightrope
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

between appeasing his supporters so they come into Hillary's tent and unequivocally supporting Hillary. And when push has come to shove, he has, in the face of boos, been steadfast. He's done everything he can.

The people that are still booing and walking out aren't even Democrats. They came here to throw a temper tantrum, and are using Bernie as platform to do that. He's not responsible for them anymore. He's done everything he can.

trof

(54,256 posts)
60. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jul 2016

This is getting to be fun.
Could it become the new "Thread That Never Dies"?*

*See "Kudzu".

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
53. I give that man so much credit
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jul 2016

what he's been through this past year... I realize he signed up for it, but I would have thrown up my hands by this time.

RandySF

(59,902 posts)
54. I actually agreed with what he did.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jul 2016

A vote by acclamation would have made it as if no one voted, and would have made Bernie's delegate's work meaningless. And that's something I didi't want to see.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
55. I feel great.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure the plan was discussed and agreed upon by several of the involved parties, and it worked. It was a very touching moment, no matter what verbiage was used, which I can't even tell the difference about.

redwitch

(14,954 posts)
62. You disappoint me with this thread.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

Absolutely shameful. YOU should have been a bigger person. I can't believe people have recced this thread.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
63. No matter what, it's not good enough. Bernie was the best candidate in my lifetime
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jul 2016

and was gracious in his defeat. Time now is to unite and not divide.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
64. This post is an example of why some people shouldn't be involved in politics...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jul 2016

you're making something personal and ugly.


democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
66. I think the way he did it made sense
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jul 2016

By calling for the official record to reflect the actual vote, he was showing that he accepts the results of the roll call and recognizes that Hillary won.

Old Terp

(464 posts)
68. Bernie did good
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jul 2016

Earlier, I was afraid that there could be a last stand. It didn't happen. He said the right things. Even his people seemed to be more for unity with the rest of us. I was pleased. Now if we can just stay on the same page to get Hillary elected, flip the Senate to D, turn the Supreme Court to Liberal.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
71. You Couldn't Possibly Be A Bernie Supporter...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jul 2016

Are you kidding me? I'll only repeat what someone else wrote earlier..."you could not be any smaller."

-P

On Edit: I've been here for a pretty long time and I have never put anyone on "Ignore." You will be the first....Now if I can just figure out how that is done.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
80. He couldn't afford to release his delegates.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jul 2016

Because the delegates would see that as giving up.

This is really the only way he could do it.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
81. Bernie did just what he should have done
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jul 2016

He needed to make sure his voters knew their votes would be recorded and counted while also allowing Secretary Clinton to be nominated by acclamation.

This couldn't have been easy for him, but he did what he needed to do to unify the party. I applaud him for it.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
84. I'm not a Bernie person but
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

I believe that this was the decent thing to do after having told his delegates that he would do this.

lostnfound

(16,203 posts)
85. I think it was appropriate and good for three reasons..
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

1) As a demonstration of democracy in action, a message that when you vote, your votes ARE counted and they DO matter. It's been a consistent theme and message, consistent with letting Californians have their say too. In America we keep trying to shortcut democracy. It was methodical, and a sacred ritual, when I was a child. Doing this the way he did is a way to honor the process. Treating it as a ritual imbues it with an appropriate degree of respect.
2) Buy-in of the Bernie voters. Seeing the count,going all the way to the end, made it clear that he fought the good fight but didn't win the race. Many of us who were skeptical about the machinations of the elections will remember that at some level there was a fair count, and he did well but not well enough, and there was a clear winner and it's time to support her.
3) Most importantly, a record of the count with Bernie getting 43% gives hope to future progressives, future democratic socialists, and any democrats who question whether it is safe to come out as progressive and left leaning. After thirty five years of propaganda that tried to make "liberal" a dirty word, after decades of equating socialism with communism, here is a clear undeniable proof of the extent of support for those ideals.

I'm very glad he handled it this way.

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