2016 Postmortem
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(14,157 posts)Probably Romney and Rove.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)This is his turf. He needs to disown Comrade Donald.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)But so is the content, and the DNC has not denied that these are accurate, and were quick to apologize.
kcr
(15,331 posts)The DNC was in a hard place. There were a lot of people painting anyone who claimed it was the Russians as paranoid.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Trust me, if they were inaccurate in any substantive way the DNC would have been screaming that from the rafters.
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For one thing, I think Dems are terrified of the media and are all too quick to roll over. It happens all the time. For another thing, cherry picked, one sided data dumps meant to manipulate outcomes should absolutely be questioned at the very least, and you cannot read it without that context. I'm not saying that you absolutely have to disregard all data from such leaks. But they absolutely are suspect by their nature.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)If there is just one piece of evidence that links the Trump campaign directly with the Russians, this becomes an espionage case, the most serious one the United States has ever confronted.
The hack involves an election that selects our Commander in Chief, the person in ultimate charge of the nuclear arsenal, which makes the hack by a foreign power an issue of the highest possible national defense priority.
Those who were hacked are under the gun, too. If any of them compromise the investigation by pointing out inaccuracies, it's curtains for their careers, and it may even make them accomplices. In espionage cases, accomplices are to be punished according to the penalties for the crime itself, which can include life imprisonment.
Those who colluded, cooperated, or jumped out of the way are probably starting to realize that this ain't gonna be a civil suit. The aggrieved is Uncle Sam, who is conducting an investigation that goes beyond the criminal into the stratosphere of high crimes.
Take a jaw-dropping look:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
Seriously, if this goes the way I think it's headed, Hillary Clinton won't be debating Donald Trump at all. She will be debating another person entirely, or nobody at all. If Trump was personally involved in any way, he's going to prison for the rest of his life.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)How can they trust him with that information?
They might as well give the briefings to Putin and cut out the middle man (Trump)!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump told reporters Wednesday morning at Trump National Doral Miami. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
bananas
(27,509 posts)You have it exactly backwards.
pnwmom
(109,028 posts)doesn't constitute a confirmation.
bananas
(27,509 posts)pnwmom
(109,028 posts)What specifics do you have for any other apologies?
bananas
(27,509 posts)pnwmom
(109,028 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Threw people under the bus? Shirley Sharrod, Van Jones, a few others recently I forgot.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Don't forget Acorn
madaboutharry
(40,248 posts)relationship is the reason for his candidacy. Disturbing is an understatement.
wishstar
(5,273 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:11 PM - Edit history (1)
The Washington Post reported on Trump's Russian financial ties over a month ago but tonight's ABC broadcast was the first I have seen on TV news.
Seems like I recall Paul Manafort saying that the suggestion of Melania's plagiarism was "Absurd" too
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Maybe a smoking gun of a diversion to point away from the guilty party. Hacking is a criminal act, not the same as leaking. You want to cover your tracks, maybe even implicate someone else.
I assume the malware code is what is assumed to have enabled the hack. We need a good tech article on this, not a MSM spin machine covering it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He refuses to release his tax info I bet.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Yes!
Hekate
(91,055 posts)Cha
(298,139 posts)Mahalo BSL
OnDoutside
(19,988 posts)it leaves the door open for Putin to not only re-annexe Ukraine, put also to push on and threaten other former Russian controlled countries like Poland and the Baltic States.
There is a much bigger game here.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Scary even.
UCmeNdc
(9,602 posts)Paul Managort kept blinking his eyes and looked down to the ground when asked if he had something to do with the email hacks. He could not even look up and maintain eye contact.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)But this is much bigger and has a much more serious consequence should Trump get elected and is connected to Putin.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)We need to goad the media into doing their jobs instead of kissing repuke @ss.