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Now they are screaming at Leon Panetta (Original Post) rbrnmw Jul 2016 OP
They are chanting "no more war". Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #1
We can get behind it when they're not protesting a respected individual endorsing our candidate and SaschaHM Jul 2016 #6
So, protesting is admired here until it goes against what you want? Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #9
So anywhere anytime then? whatthehey Jul 2016 #29
At least you don't go for hyperbole Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #44
I didn't see code pink protest the rnc whatthehey Jul 2016 #65
I see you noticed. pangaia Jul 2016 #36
Protesting is admirable when the protesters are informed and their tactics work. Music Man Jul 2016 #58
Yelling to block someone right to speak is so democratic BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #61
Did they boo Bernie when he agreed w sec Clinton at debates re her Isis strategy? emulatorloo Jul 2016 #77
We'll get war with Trump ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21
I wanted to hear what Mr Panetta had to say about Traitor Trump ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #32
Indeed. Freedom of speech does not include the right to disrupt someone else's Reiyuki Jul 2016 #47
It takes both sides to heal wounds. It doesn't work when one side embraces victimhood & bitterness Hekate Jul 2016 #72
NO we won't she voted for the war after being lied to by Bush and Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #34
So she believed Bush while others didn't? Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #49
Who didn't vote for the war? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #57
We'll get war no matter what with trunp but these assholes don't care about that. Cha Jul 2016 #42
We'll get war with either Matt_in_STL Jul 2016 #54
How does suggesting ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #59
Not having fucking trump for potus is a huge selling point but these ignorant assholes are too Cha Jul 2016 #62
How does suggesting ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #53
I don't disagree democrattotheend Jul 2016 #55
These loud mouthed assholes are there to disrupt the Convention, not to make an anti-war statement. still_one Jul 2016 #41
Not in the middle of ALL MFM008 Jul 2016 #43
I do. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #73
Sure, just as did in 1972 with one of the worst defeats question everything Jul 2016 #80
Do they remember who actually started the wars? liberalmuse Jul 2016 #2
They know who wants to make the wars a 30 year commitment That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #19
Oh shit. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #28
Jeeze, why would ANYBODY protest that? pangaia Jul 2016 #46
Panetta is definitely Not someone who is looking for peaceful solutions - avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #78
What are they saying? Sounds like they're against #TraitorTrump Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #3
No more war rbrnmw Jul 2016 #7
exactly. Their rudeness only puts emphasis on the type of bullying bullshit that was common still_one Jul 2016 #64
I am ANGRY with these people tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #4
Those are not Bernie Supporters Sophiegirl Jul 2016 #8
Who do you think they are then? MoonRiver Jul 2016 #14
I don't know Sophiegirl Jul 2016 #20
I've seen close-ups of them shouting. They are wearing Bernie t-shirts MoonRiver Jul 2016 #39
and we also have the protester apologists actively encouraging also on this OP DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #74
They are all wearing Bernie gear, hats, buttons, etc. tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #31
I'm not going to argue the point Sophiegirl Jul 2016 #45
That is too subtle , too much grey area for some. or is it gray? pangaia Jul 2016 #52
I don't understand your point. n/t Sophiegirl Jul 2016 #56
I agree with you that they should not be lumped in with ALL Bernie supporters. pangaia Jul 2016 #66
Thank you. n/t Sophiegirl Jul 2016 #68
Whoever they are they need to be tossed out asap. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #38
They sure aren't Hillary's delegates, so there's only one other possibility. procon Jul 2016 #48
What Makes You Think It Is Bernie Supporters?.... global1 Jul 2016 #10
They were all holding Bernie signs and flashing their phone LEDs for attention. apnu Jul 2016 #25
Delegates for who then? whatthehey Jul 2016 #33
The cameras were right on them tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #35
It's apparently the CA, OR and WA delegations RonniePudding Jul 2016 #22
Yeah all this talk of unity rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #5
I have to agree with everything you said. Arkansas Granny Jul 2016 #18
I don't have a problem with this democrattotheend Jul 2016 #12
Sometimes you don't get to chose gaspee Jul 2016 #26
Of course we agree with the sentiment.... apcalc Jul 2016 #27
They went on too long democrattotheend Jul 2016 #30
Fucking idiots. DCBob Jul 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Jul 2016 #15
I think the correct term is assholes. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #16
Ditto!!! CNN is reporting (and I quote) "Sanders supporters" are the ones doing it. CNN also skylucy Jul 2016 #17
wtf are these stupid sobs yelling over a important doc03 Jul 2016 #23
Assholes! Hekate Jul 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #70
If you think HRC is a warhawk, perhaps you should read up a bit more. Perhaps you... Hekate Jul 2016 #71
... Scurrilous Jul 2016 #37
They know that Bernie Sanders voted to confirm Panetta right? LisaM Jul 2016 #40
Good point, LisaM! Cha Jul 2016 #50
Do you really think they looked into Bernie's background outside of what the campaign feed them? SaschaHM Jul 2016 #51
To be fair, that was before Panetta complained about all the opportunities missed by Obama not having That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #60
Yeah, there's that. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #69
I thought these jerks left. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #63
I don't give a damn what anyone says, they are no better than the Teabaggers!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #67
they really are rbrnmw Jul 2016 #75
yes still_one Jul 2016 #76
Good. Panetta should be screamed at. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #79

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
6. We can get behind it when they're not protesting a respected individual endorsing our candidate and
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

decimating Trump.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
9. So, protesting is admired here until it goes against what you want?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jul 2016

I wish people would make up their minds.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
29. So anywhere anytime then?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

Your child's funeral? All night under your window before your bar exam? After all it's just an always acceptable protest right?

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
44. At least you don't go for hyperbole
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

I'll go look for your bitching about Code Pink at the RNC, or during Congressional hearings.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
65. I didn't see code pink protest the rnc
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

I very rarely seen far left groups protesting the right wing at all as it happens.

But I am glad to infer you at least recognize that there are some areas inappropriate for protests. One might very well be the most important meeting of the party that will support your aims more than the other one don't you think?

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
58. Protesting is admirable when the protesters are informed and their tactics work.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jul 2016

They look like jackasses. If they were serious, they'd pick a different method than shouting down speakers.

emulatorloo

(44,276 posts)
77. Did they boo Bernie when he agreed w sec Clinton at debates re her Isis strategy?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jul 2016

Did they boo Bernie when he said he would continue use of drones if elected president?

There was little daylight to between their approaches: no US troops, us provides resources and moral support to our Muslim allies who take on ISIL

I am anti war as well. Bernie primary supporter. Anti-hypocrit too, and that's what bothered me about the yelling.

Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #11)

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
47. Indeed. Freedom of speech does not include the right to disrupt someone else's
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jul 2016

That said, the primaries opened some pretty deep wounds, I imagine it'll going to take some time to heal.

Hekate

(91,055 posts)
72. It takes both sides to heal wounds. It doesn't work when one side embraces victimhood & bitterness
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jul 2016

...and refuses to see that the majority (aka winning side) might have a point.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
34. NO we won't she voted for the war after being lied to by Bush and
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jul 2016

was from New York ...a City hit by 9-11.During the Clinton administration...terrorism was handled as a law enforcement matter. Do not bash Hillary on this site please.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
49. So she believed Bush while others didn't?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jul 2016

It isn't a bash - it is a constructive criticism. Don't vote for war.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
57. Who didn't vote for the war?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jul 2016

Yeah, lots of people believed Bush. I believed Bush for a while. The choice is Trump or Hillary...so pick one.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
59. How does suggesting ...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016
We'll get war with either
Not really a selling point


Matt_in_STL





How does suggesting there is no difference between Trump and Clinton fulfill the mission The Administrator has given to this board:



We are Democrats and we are all Clinton supporters now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~Skinner





Thank you in advance.





Cha

(298,139 posts)
62. Not having fucking trump for potus is a huge selling point but these ignorant assholes are too
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

self absorbed to know that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
53. How does suggesting ...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

How does suggesting Secretary Clinton wants war fulfills the mission The Administrator has given to this board:



We are Democrats and we are all Clinton supporters now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~Skinner



Thank you in advance.



democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
55. I don't disagree
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

But at least Hillary knows what she is doing and is not crazy and unstable. I would much rather have her in charge of the military than Trump.

still_one

(92,549 posts)
41. These loud mouthed assholes are there to disrupt the Convention, not to make an anti-war statement.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

They were planning a month ago. F**k-em

question everything

(47,616 posts)
80. Sure, just as did in 1972 with one of the worst defeats
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jul 2016

When we strongly established ourselves ad "weak on defense" and with every day bringing another story about terrorists attacks and Trump puts himself as the one to fight terror.

You can bet that the Republicans will use this in their campaign.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
19. They know who wants to make the wars a 30 year commitment
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016
Panetta Predicts ’30-Year War’ Against ISIS
Biden: Panetta Should Wait Until Obama Leaves Office to Say That
by Jason Ditz, October 06, 2014
Print This | Share This

Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta was harshly critical of President Obama’s handling of the new ISIS war, saying the US could have sustained the 2011 Iraq occupation and started arming Syrian rebels even sooner than they did.

But perhaps the most eye-opening comment in has new book tour was that he believes the conflict is a “30-year war” that will extend across the world, including campaigns in Nigeria, Somalia, and Libya, among other places.

Panetta’s new book, entitled Worthy Fights, argues that the Obama Administration repeatedly erred by not taking more hawkish positions, including says the US should’ve invaded Syria outright in 2013 instead of making the deal for Syria to scrap its chemical weapons.

He went on to argue that the 30-year world war he envisions is a chance to “repair the damage” caused by lot launching massive wars in the previous few years, calling the lack of wars “missed opportunities.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/10/06/panetta-predicts-30-year-war-against-isis/
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
78. Panetta is definitely Not someone who is looking for peaceful solutions -
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jul 2016

he wants more war.

I have listened to him on a couple broadcasts and he is a warmonger.

still_one

(92,549 posts)
64. exactly. Their rudeness only puts emphasis on the type of bullying bullshit that was common
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

practice against any person or group who endorsed Hillary.

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
20. I don't know
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

But blaming Bernie supporters unilaterally and with a very broad brush is simply not based in fact.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
39. I've seen close-ups of them shouting. They are wearing Bernie t-shirts
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jul 2016

and holding Bernie signs. If it walks like a duck....

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
45. I'm not going to argue the point
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

They have usurped Bernie's message and ignored his call for unity. That, IMO, disqualifies them as Bernie supporters and I personally disavow them.

Don't lump us all together with people like them.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
66. I agree with you that they should not be lumped in with ALL Bernie supporters.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

That's what I meant to imply.
But some just go on and on.. BERNIE SUPPORTERS.. eeeiii....

procon

(15,805 posts)
48. They sure aren't Hillary's delegates, so there's only one other possibility.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe the Bernie gear was just a random coincidence, yeah?

apnu

(8,761 posts)
25. They were all holding Bernie signs and flashing their phone LEDs for attention.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

These are Bernie people.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
22. It's apparently the CA, OR and WA delegations
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

According to CNN. Sorry to say but if true the entire delegations of these states should be banned tomorrow. It's a shame the Clinton supporters among them will have to miss out but it is what it is.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
5. Yeah all this talk of unity
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

Enough of these entitled, privileged, non-Democrat punks.

Kick them out. Never let them back.

Closed primaries only. No more candidates who haven't proven their loyalty to the party over several years.

These green tea partiers are shameful.

democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
12. I don't have a problem with this
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jul 2016

They are yelling "no more wars"! This is relevant to the speaker and something hopefully all Americans, and certainly all Democrats, should agree with. They went on a bit too long and got disruptive, but I agree with the sentiment.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
26. Sometimes you don't get to chose
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

I was against the Iraqi debacle and have the blog posts to prove it.

I was even against prolonged invasion of Afghanistan.

I do not think there are very many justifiable wars.

But sometimes, you really don't get to chose.

They need to learn respect.

Where were they in 2010 and 2014 - they could have been a lot more helpful then they they are pulling this utter bullshit.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
27. Of course we agree with the sentiment....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

Do they get they are yelling at someone who wants to keep them secure, and prevent war?

Jeeeeez... Either ignorant or just plain rude....

And imo, in many ways, they are yelling at the wrong people.

democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
30. They went on too long
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

It was good for a minute but they should not have gone on so long that it was hard for him to talk.

Response to rbrnmw (Original post)

Blue Idaho

(5,072 posts)
16. I think the correct term is assholes.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

Assholes interrupting a well crafted attack on the man most likely to start World War III -Donald Trump.

That makes them not only assholes but also Trump's useful idiots.

skylucy

(3,749 posts)
17. Ditto!!! CNN is reporting (and I quote) "Sanders supporters" are the ones doing it. CNN also
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

reporting that the rest of the delegates overwhelmed them. I am ashamed to say that they are saying that many of them are from my state of California. Disgusting.

doc03

(35,459 posts)
23. wtf are these stupid sobs yelling over a important
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

issue in the election like the Russian hacking fucking assholes. Wtf they think Trump is better.

Response to Hekate (Reply #24)

Hekate

(91,055 posts)
71. If you think HRC is a warhawk, perhaps you should read up a bit more. Perhaps you...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jul 2016

....should listen to what Trump is saying. And perhaps you and they should have listened to Panetta instead of shouting him down.

Part of the POTUS job description is Commander in Chief.

One question I have not been able to get an answer to from the folks who think Hillary is a hawk: How, exactly, is Putin in Europe to be handled? How, exactly, is China in the South Seas to be handled? How, exactly, is the US to pull out of the wars BUSH got us into? How, exactly, should it be handled if the other parties refuse to cooperate and continue to invade and occupy other nations' territories?

Tell me. Tell us. Tell Leon Panetta. Tell the next president.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
60. To be fair, that was before Panetta complained about all the opportunities missed by Obama not having
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

...more wars.

Panetta: '30-year war' and a leadership test for Obama

CARMEL VALLEY, Calif. — Americans should be braced for a long battle against the brutal terrorist group Islamic State that will test U.S. resolve — and the leadership of the commander in chief, says Leon Panetta, who headed the CIA and then the Pentagon as Al Qaeda was weakened and Osama bin Laden killed.

"I think we're looking at kind of a 30-year war," he says, one that will have to extend beyond Islamic State to include emerging threats in Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere.

In his first interview about his new book, Worthy Fights: A Memoir of Leadership in War and Peace, Panetta argues that decisions made by President Obama over the past three years have made that battle more difficult — an explosive assessment by a respected policymaker of the president he served.

Even before it's published Tuesday by Penguin Press, the 512-page book has provoked rebukes at the State Department and by Vice President Biden. But Panetta says he was determined to write a book that was "honest," including his high regard for the president on some fronts and his deep concern about his leadership on others.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/06/leon-panetta-memoir-worthy-fights/16737615/

mountain grammy

(26,677 posts)
69. Yeah, there's that.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jul 2016

and, then, he is a bit of a war monger. Hard to see my fellow Democrats call people idiots and worse for protesting war.

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