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CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:55 AM Apr 2015

On Morning JoeI heard a reporter on the Baltimore PD situation mention Martin O'Malley 's

tenure as mayor and connecting it to the huge percentage growth in arrests in that city over several years and its impact on the black community...

I am wondering if this was a deliberate attempt to poke holes in O'Malley's campaign before it ever begins...

Or am I just being paranoid...

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On Morning JoeI heard a reporter on the Baltimore PD situation mention Martin O'Malley 's (Original Post) CTyankee Apr 2015 OP
I think it's just the facts. bravenak Apr 2015 #1
Oh, I have no doubt that these are just facts. CTyankee Apr 2015 #2
I never trust the motives of Morning Joe either. bravenak Apr 2015 #4
I think the story bears watching, tho. CTyankee Apr 2015 #6
Well, I just did a random search and read several stories about the incident and none of okaawhatever Apr 2015 #30
Not true. As Mayor of Baltimore (Dec 1999-Nov 2007), he adopted the broken FSogol Apr 2015 #7
How does your quote say his policies as mayor were not as described? merrily Apr 2015 #8
Every major city switched to that form of policing in the mid to late 90s because FSogol Apr 2015 #12
That still does not say the claim described in the OP is false. merrily Apr 2015 #13
I didn't respond to the OP, I repsonded to reply #1 (Bravenak) who stated: FSogol Apr 2015 #14
My apologies then. Your quote does show it was untrue of him as Governor. merrily Apr 2015 #15
Thanks. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #16
But as recently as 2013 he urged the new mayor to re-institute those policies brush Apr 2015 #17
Link? n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #18
Here you go. brush Apr 2015 #19
Thanks for the link. I'm not a fan of that type of policing either, but recognize FSogol Apr 2015 #21
Yeah but my point was O'Malley was urging this in 2013 . . . brush Apr 2015 #23
The article says he urged more arrests, it doesn't say mass arrests. FSogol Apr 2015 #24
Come on, read between the lines brush Apr 2015 #25
I'll wait and listen to exactly what he says on the campaign trail without having to guess or FSogol Apr 2015 #26
Okay, but we've all seen the recent confrontations between cops and unarmed black males brush Apr 2015 #27
I agree it is an important issue that needs attention. I'm sure it will be a major issue in the FSogol Apr 2015 #29
Thanks, FSogol, elleng Apr 2015 #28
Doesn't have to be either/or. Could be both. merrily Apr 2015 #3
The reporter was pointing out a disturbing trend. CTyankee Apr 2015 #5
We Democrats tend to want a saint. They ain't out there. Not even FDR or Truman. merrily Apr 2015 #9
we had a corrupt mayor in New Haven for years and he finally said he wouldn't run any CTyankee Apr 2015 #11
O'Malley has some good points, but his drug warrior status is a big loser in the west Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #20
Jackasses are welcomed in the Democratic Party. It's our symbol. merrily Apr 2015 #22
He's far from a leader on drug policy, but he did sign a bill decriminalizing pot Orangepeel Apr 2015 #31
We must remain vigilant. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #10
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. I think it's just the facts.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:00 AM
Apr 2015

If you check out his on the issues, you'll see he's kind of a drug warrior and a broken windows policy type governor.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
2. Oh, I have no doubt that these are just facts.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015

I'm probably a little too paranoid when it comes to the media these days...

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
30. Well, I just did a random search and read several stories about the incident and none of
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:22 AM
Apr 2015

them mentioned O'Malley, even a NPR interview with the former police chief. Even the story about the trends in Baltimore policing. I also wonder why they would interview a reporter at this stage. There should be plenty of people who are directly involved in this case, why a reporter?

I absolutely believe his statement was planned. In the days of sponsored content and multi-billion dollar campaigns we should expect that every story will have an agenda.

Rush Limbaugh does not make money off of his advertising. In fact, he can barely fill up his slots with free messages for non-profits. What he does do is get paid millions to talk about certain people or events. He is pushing an agenda in every broadcast and making big money doing it.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
7. Not true. As Mayor of Baltimore (Dec 1999-Nov 2007), he adopted the broken
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:15 AM
Apr 2015

windows policy as did almost every major city. By the end of his Mayoral term he moved away from that policy. He did not employ those methods as Governor.

From a 2010 article in the Baltimore Sun:


A lawsuit filed in 2006 on behalf of 14 people alleged that their arrests indicated a broad pattern of abuse in which thousands of people were routinely arrested without probable cause. The suit also alleged that the so-called "zero tolerance" system was endorsed and enforced by city officials under the tenure of then-mayor Martin O'Malley.

In a joint statement with the plaintiffs, the police department said it has agreed to institute policies that reject the "zero tolerance policing" and establish a range of appropriate officer responses to minor offenses. The department will issue written directives that spell out the elements of common minor offenses to ensure that officers are aware of the scope of their authority, and will train every officer on the new policies for offenses, the statement said.

Arrests in the city have fallen by the tens of thousands since O'Malley became governor, and the ACLU and NAACP said in the statement that they recognize that the current city leadership has taken steps to address the issue and "applaud those efforts."


Edited to add the link:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-06-23/news/bal-naacp-settlement-0623_1_arrests-by-city-police-zero-tolerance-naacp-and-aclu

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. How does your quote say his policies as mayor were not as described?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:23 AM
Apr 2015

I am hoping against hope for a viable Democratic challenger to Hillary and would like to believe only good things about O'Malley. Still, your post does not disprove what the OP says.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
12. Every major city switched to that form of policing in the mid to late 90s because
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:32 AM
Apr 2015

of the drop in NYC's crime rate. By the mid 00s, everyone was moving away from it due to over-policing, arresting innocent people, profiling, etc. He employed those policies when he arrived as Mayor, but moved away from them for the reasons stated. The number of arrests dropped each year in Baltimore as did the crime rate. Unlike say, Giuliani, O'Malley changed, evolved, and modified his approach until he got a fairer/more workable system.

The efforts to link a current police brutality case in Baltimore to a man who hasn't been the mayor there for 7-1/2 years is pretty ridiculous.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. That still does not say the claim described in the OP is false.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:36 AM
Apr 2015
The efforts to link a current police brutality case in Baltimore to a man who hasn't been the mayor there for 7-1/2 years is pretty ridiculous.


Maybe, but that is a separate issue from how O'Malley behaved as Mayor.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
14. I didn't respond to the OP, I repsonded to reply #1 (Bravenak) who stated:
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:46 AM
Apr 2015
If you check out his on the issues, you'll see he's kind of a drug warrior and a broken windows policy type governor.


O'Malley didn't govern that way as Governor and ended those policies toward the end of his tenure as mayor in favor of focusing on repeat criminals and more community-based policing.

brush

(53,925 posts)
17. But as recently as 2013 he urged the new mayor to re-institute those policies
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

That is a bone of contention because the new mayor has publicly stated that she doesn't want to go back to the "mass arrest" policy that O'Malley employed as mayor.

This was discussed here on DU 3 or 4 weeks back as O'Malley began to emerge as a possible Dem presidential candidate.

This made many, including myself, think twice about O'Malley.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
21. Thanks for the link. I'm not a fan of that type of policing either, but recognize
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:23 AM
Apr 2015

that during a period from the 1990-2006 it was the favored method in major cities.

brush

(53,925 posts)
23. Yeah but my point was O'Malley was urging this in 2013 . . .
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:30 AM
Apr 2015

just less than 2 years ago so we can't fall back on the 1990-2006 argument.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
24. The article says he urged more arrests, it doesn't say mass arrests.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:48 AM
Apr 2015
Recently, the governor has argued for increased arrests in Baltimore as a way to combat violent crime. O'Malley, who advocated zero-tolerance policing policies while mayor, says he is concerned that Baltimore has stalled in its crime-fighting efforts, emphasizing that arrests are only half of what they were during his time as mayor.


AAR, I'm sure this will come up during the primaries.

brush

(53,925 posts)
25. Come on, read between the lines
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:37 PM
Apr 2015

He's arguing for more arrests in the black community and we all know, from what we've seen lately that will lead to more killings of black males by cops.

This, IMO, weakens O'Malley's progressive credentials and viability as a dem presidential candidate.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
26. I'll wait and listen to exactly what he says on the campaign trail without having to guess or
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:47 PM
Apr 2015

read between lines.

brush

(53,925 posts)
27. Okay, but we've all seen the recent confrontations between cops and unarmed black males
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:54 PM
Apr 2015

advocating for more of that does not sit well with me.

O'Malley is going to have to come clean on this up because he's going to be grilled on the campaign about it.

FSogol

(45,562 posts)
29. I agree it is an important issue that needs attention. I'm sure it will be a major issue in the
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:34 PM
Apr 2015

election. Below is what O'Malley has said about Freddie Gray's death. Nowhere does he advocate for more of the same.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/04/21/omalley-urges-transparency-in-investigation-baltimore-mans-death-in-police-custody/

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Doesn't have to be either/or. Could be both.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:08 AM
Apr 2015

If it is true, it's a fair comment. Do they always go back to see who USED to be mayor of a town where something bad is happening now? No. Given he may run for President, it is more relevant? Yes. Do I ever trust Morning Joe's motives? No.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
5. The reporter was pointing out a disturbing trend.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:12 AM
Apr 2015

This was a pretty horrific story...I was just depressed after seeing that segment...

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. We Democrats tend to want a saint. They ain't out there. Not even FDR or Truman.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:24 AM
Apr 2015

We have to choose the best, or least worst, of what is available to us.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
11. we had a corrupt mayor in New Haven for years and he finally said he wouldn't run any
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:30 AM
Apr 2015

more and is living in Florida now. We have a pretty decent (so far) woman (first ever in this city) who was a businesswoman now running the city. I was a bit skeptical, even tho she is a neighbor and goes to the same nail place as I do. I've known her for some time. So far, so good...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. O'Malley has some good points, but his drug warrior status is a big loser in the west
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

No saints required, no jackasses welcomed.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. Jackasses are welcomed in the Democratic Party. It's our symbol.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:25 AM
Apr 2015


I wish I could have had a word with Andrew Jackson about that, but it's too late now.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
31. He's far from a leader on drug policy, but he did sign a bill decriminalizing pot
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:27 AM
Apr 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/martin-omalley-marijuana_n_5107147.html

A veto would not have been overridden, so a true drug warrior could have killed it.

O'Malley has been a leader on and champion for many progressive issues but drug policy is not one of them. At best, he's no longer standing in the way.

However, as a political issue, signing the bill is something he's going to get criticized for, at least in a general election. He might actually come out looking like the pro-pot candidate!

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