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Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:08 PM Apr 2015

Hillary Clinton's Double Standard

The subject title of this OP is a commentary written by Steve Chapman in today's Chicago Tribune, linked below:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-hillary-clinton-foundation-campaign-finance-reform-perspec-0426-jm-20150424-column.html

Although a conservative, Steve Chapman isn't a Republican hack. He came out strongly against the invasion of Iraq before it was launched, and more recently he wrote some very good columns taking down the R's who wrote the letter to Iran and oppose any potential deal over their nuclear program.

Normally I wouldn't write a letter to the editor or start a thread based on most of the content of the commentary linked above. That Hillary's huge campaign war chest is at odds with her recent call for a constitutional amendment to get money out of politics is fairly obvious. However, I just had to respond to his paragraph bolded below in my letter.

My LTTE, just sent:

Steve Chapman wrote in his April 26 Perspective (Hillary Clinton's Double Standard): "Money doesn't buy votes. What it buys is the means to communicate ideas to voters. If those ideas, or the candidates advocating them, aren't compelling, the money is wasted." Has Mr. Chapman ever seen a political commercial on TV and evaluated the content of the ideas presented therein? These commercials are "compelling" to the extent dishonest propaganda influences voters. Huge sums of money would not be spent if it had no effect. Professional marketers know how to manipulate perceptions, whether it's to sell a product or a politician.

The influence of big money in our political system and legislative process goes well beyond who wins a particular election. Politicians in either party can rarely get elected without increasingly large campaign war chests and constant fund raising. Billionaires who spend millions on elections and lobbyists expect and receive favorable government policies. The growing chasm of wealth disparity in the United States is the direct result of money purchasing political power.

This is not what our nation's Founders had in mind. The informed consent of the governed has been supplanted by a misinformed electorate manipulated into voting (if they bother) against their own interests. When money equals speech, many "compelling ideas" are crafted by a few with the deepest pockets. Our great experiment in democracy will ultimately fail if we don't rein in the power of money in politics.
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Hillary Clinton's Double Standard (Original Post) Martin Eden Apr 2015 OP
I simply don't trust her. I don't trust the super wealthy to help the little person. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1
I don't care about her personal wealth Martin Eden Apr 2015 #2
How'd they get so filthy rich so quickly? SOS doesn't pay shit. I'll tell you how. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #7
Don't trust her n/t Squantoish Apr 2015 #4
http://www.trainingforwarriors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Power-of-One-e1347564153152.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #3
Interesting point, but... JayhawkSD Apr 2015 #5
Agreed Martin Eden Apr 2015 #6
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I simply don't trust her. I don't trust the super wealthy to help the little person.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:21 PM
Apr 2015

I don't doubt that she is sincere, that she and the family foundation have helped a lot of people (usually in other nations).

But she and Bill have become ENORMOUSLY WEALTHY in the process, there is no denying that.

And there's scarce little to show that she will do the right thing for the typical American worker, that she'll pick us over Corporations whenever there's a decision to be made.

Nope, I don't trust super rich people who take 6,500 square foot suites as a perk while traveling to help me.

Let's please pick someone else or at least have a primary.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/can-hillary-clinton-really-change/articleshow/46914298.cms

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/hillary-clinton-struggles-in-discussing-her-family-wealth/articleshow/37269158.cms

Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
2. I don't care about her personal wealth
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:59 PM
Apr 2015

FDR was perhaps the greatest champion average Americans ever had in the White House, and he came from great wealth.

But I don't trust Hillary Clinton to rein in the power of Wall Street or the Military Industrial Complex.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. How'd they get so filthy rich so quickly? SOS doesn't pay shit. I'll tell you how.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 02:58 AM
Apr 2015

SOS is a powerful position, there are a lot of things you can do for rich people all over the world!

These rich people REALLY NEED SPEECH GIVERS right away and they'll pay $500,000 per speech.

Just a coincidence, all this.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
5. Interesting point, but...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015
"That Hillary's huge campaign war chest is at odds with her recent call for a constitutional amendment to get money out of politics is fairly obvious."

The two are not necessarily at odds. She may have the position that the system being what it is she will work within it until it can be made better. It would make little sense for her to take the position that money in politics is bad and therefor she is going to try to get elected without raising or spending any money.

Sam Nunn was in a similar position quite some years ago, disgusted with the role that money played in politics, so he simply retired from politics. It was an honorable thing to do, but it rendered him unable to further serve his country in government. I was sorry to see him go.

Not that I think Hillary is motivated in the same ways that Sam Nunn was. She is far less noble, and is in it for the power and wealth. I most certainly would not be sorry to see her go.

Your point about Chapman's statement is right on, though and I agree with it entirely. The money does not "air ideas," it spouts sound bites and nonsense, numbs the minds of those who are exposed to it, dumbs down the voting public, and generates votes througn the same mechanism that commercial advertising does. Information and ideas are the farthest thing from what its purpose is.

Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
6. Agreed
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Apr 2015

Even those who genuinely want to rein in the power of money in politics have no choice but to raise enough funds to get elected in the first place. Whether or not Hillary is genuine in that regard remains to be seen.

Chapman is usually very logical, but his statement about "compelling ideas" totally ignores the reality of political advertising.

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