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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:24 PM Apr 2015

What sets Bernie apart from Hillary

Want to know what sets Bernie Sanders apart from Hillary Clinton? Look at their donors.
The differences could hardly be more striking. Out of Clinton's top 20 organizational donors, only two aren't corporate. There are seven mega-banks, five corporate law/lobbying firms, and three big entertainment companies.

By contrast, 19 of Sanders's top 20 donors are unions. The one non-labor group on the list is the American Association for Justice, an interest group for plaintiff's attorneys, perhaps the most reliable non-union Democratic constituency.

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What sets Bernie apart from Hillary (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 OP
Actually, that's not what that shows. It shows Bernies top donors are PACs while Hillary's are stevenleser Apr 2015 #1
Union PACs FBaggins Apr 2015 #3
Not so. Any individual who donates has to list the company from which they work. stevenleser Apr 2015 #6
Sorry... it isn't dishonest at all FBaggins Apr 2015 #11
corporate donors are listed as individuals. left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #12
All PACS are not evil left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #4
Your opinion aside, the items in the OP do not say what the OP says it does. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #8
Not all PACS are evil Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #14
Distinction without a real difference between PACs and "bundling" of executive money. leveymg Apr 2015 #5
It's 100% different. It's dishonest to characterize them as the same. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #7
You know Steven, a "bundler" is essentially a PAC but without the need to register as one. leveymg Apr 2015 #9
This is a Big Deal. I remember looking at Corey Booker's donations...all huge corporation funds. libdem4life Apr 2015 #2
Glad to see the Teachers on there BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #10
I am hoping that he will fight for teachers Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #15
I talked about PUBLIC education in his declaration speech BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #16
That was up until this year davidpdx May 2015 #18
Well, they didn't support her last time and that was a shock BrotherIvan May 2015 #20
They should, I'm just saying don't underestimate the power of the Clintons davidpdx May 2015 #23
I think they made the right choice. BrotherIvan May 2015 #24
Haters gonna hate left-of-center2012 Apr 2015 #13
Hillary's and Romney's donors are apparently one and the same. AtomicKitten May 2015 #17
It's time left-of-center2012 May 2015 #19
Thankfully, money isn't necessary to win presidential campaigns in the United States. LordGlenconner May 2015 #21
Thankfully, money isn't necessary to win presidential campaigns in the United States. left-of-center2012 May 2015 #22
If he wins the primary, he'll have plenty of money to win the general. merrily May 2015 #27
Says it all. woo me with science May 2015 #25
As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." merrily May 2015 #26
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
1. Actually, that's not what that shows. It shows Bernies top donors are PACs while Hillary's are
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015

individuals. Looking at the top 20 of Hillary, those are individual folks who happen to work for those firms. Very little is from the PACs of those firms.

On Bernie's side, you see the opposite. Almost all of that money in his top 20 list is from PACs.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
3. Union PACs
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

And of course the corporate donors are listed as individuals. That's how corporate donations show up.

Very little is from the PACs of those firms.

Corporate PACs are limited in how much they can donate.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
6. Not so. Any individual who donates has to list the company from which they work.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:57 PM
Apr 2015

Compiling them this way and saying "X firm supports Z candidate!!!!11!11!!!" is what is dishonest. When that organization or firm's PAC supports someone, then that organization or firm is supporting them.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
11. Sorry... it isn't dishonest at all
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

It's how Democrats had refered to it when Republicans are the recipients for quite some time.

You're not new to the party, are you?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. All PACS are not evil
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:51 PM
Apr 2015

I prefer labor union PACs to right wing wacko PACs (or Hillary Clinton's Wall Street buddies).

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Distinction without a real difference between PACs and "bundling" of executive money.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:55 PM
Apr 2015

Actually, as we see, one can raise more money for a candidate as a bundler of the individual contributions of coworkers than PACs themselves can contribute. See, http://pac.org/news/pac/fec-raises-contribution-limits-2015-2016 Super-PACs that raise money for issues groups are essentially unlimited as is giving to Foundations and other nonprofit 501c4 institutions.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. You know Steven, a "bundler" is essentially a PAC but without the need to register as one.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

Bundlers (ad hoc groups of corporate executives) often contribute more money than the official corporate PAC in the same company.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. This is a Big Deal. I remember looking at Corey Booker's donations...all huge corporation funds.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie's supporters influence real people...members, etc. If they can tap that market and get them to the polls, he stands a chance. Maybe it means a half day paid work to go and vote. Maybe it means showing this type of detail to the workers.

GOTV...sounds repetitive, but somehow he has to visit and connect with the leaders and those potential voters. Many have lost hope and don't vote. It's the formerly non-voter, turned voter or Independent that could possibly wreak havoc with the Conventional Wisdom and the Status Quo. Bernie may be just the guy to do this.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. Glad to see the Teachers on there
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:16 PM
Apr 2015

They've been beaten up too much by the current administration. They're smart to support Bernie.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
15. I am hoping that he will fight for teachers
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

We don't get any support otherwise. We have to jump through hoops and evaluated to death.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
16. I talked about PUBLIC education in his declaration speech
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

You can't beat that. He couldn't fix everything over night, but he certainly wouldn't appoint an Arne Duncan, ugh.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. That was up until this year
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:13 AM
May 2015

We have no idea who any of the unions will support at this point as it's too early. My guess is there will be a lot of pressure on them to support Hillary Clinton.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
20. Well, they didn't support her last time and that was a shock
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:23 AM
May 2015

And I don't think they're naive anymore. They got burned by Obama big time. Why wouldn't they support someone with a long history of being a pro-labor champion?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
13. Haters gonna hate
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

There will be those who will attack anyone who opposes Queen Hillary's coronation. Sad. Really sad. Even ---> bummer dude.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
17. Hillary's and Romney's donors are apparently one and the same.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:40 AM
May 2015

Bernie is the only candidate not owned by corporate America.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for."
Sat May 2, 2015, 02:43 AM
May 2015

The 1% gets what they pay for. Who/what is the 99% willing to pay for?

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