2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGOP Should Run Scared As Bernie Sanders' Appeal Expands Toward Traditional GOP Voters
Here's an example of what happens when you actually addresses issues that affect everyday Americans.
According to an article in The New York Times, the people he's appealing to are the people who remember a time when the top tax bracket was 90 percent, and the middle class thrived while the wealthy actually paid taxes.
http://kstreet607.com/2015/05/29/gop-should-run-scared-as-bernie-sanders-appeal-expands-toward-traditional-gop-voters/
Go Bernie!
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)as well as just in Presidential years.
Maybe this is an idea they could carry forward to other races?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)We could learn a great deal from how ideas are presented here.
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)and he speaks of issues, issues, issues--------------He has my 65 year democrat old vote
Yep, Bernie doesn't come with a price tag.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)a force to be reckoned with, and I do believe he will be our next President.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)the big lie that is our "so called" two party system.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Social issues that have been successfully used since 2000 to keep attention away from Wall St and how DC operates are not at the forefront this cycle. Rather, wealth inequality is at the forefront. The problem is that bubble politicians have no concept of how to address that issue, and absolutely could not debate Bernie about it. His genius is demonstrated in pushing for having debates that include Dem and GOP candidates. It would be a boon to the Dems and an enormous deficit to the GOP should he actually pull off such a debate. I can't help but wonder if he isn't already aware of some progressive media outlet, web based or other, open to sponsoring just such a debate, open to all Dem and GOP contenders? Who knows.....could happen I suppose.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)every time I heard "people are beginning to wake up", I'll be a millionaire by now. I hope you're right and enough people wake up to make a real change and the change they vote for actually delivers. There is no guarantee that a politician after being elected will fulfill any of the promises made during the campaign. No guarantee whatsoever.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)with a grain of salt, and look to their political history to see if their voting record matches their campaign rhetoric. That's precisely why I am in the Bernie camp. I don't want a politician who was forceably 'moved to the left' by his or her competitors for the simple fact that they obviiously wont remain there post election. Rather, I want the real deal with a long history to back up their rhetoric.
The difference is obvious, recall how Obama campaigned on wanting a "Public Option" in healthcare reform? He didn't say that because he meant it, he said that to get elected. Based on Bernies track record, when he says he is for single payer, I believe him because he has talked about it forever. When the people vote principal and policy over simply "party" things will begin to change for the better.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)But that again is one of my problems with Bernie
Sadly this is the reason why I am not very optimistic about Bernie's chances to win the general election even if he wins the primary. He is way too honest for politics which is good and he is a bit too partisan which is bad. He has to be a politician to win and by that I mean reach out to the other side a bit, even thrown out a name of some conservative or conservative polices that he admires and make a few overtures to the right on areas that are very important to them. Not quite sure what that is but he is the politician and he needs to figure it out what that areas is.
Right now, he is doing a lot of bashing republicans and just about everything they stand for and if he continues on this line of campaigning, he wouldn't be able to get a republican vote even in the areas where they have an agreement. He is essentially telling the republican voter that they and the people they voted for all their lives are the cause of the majority the problems in America. I don't care if he means it but he needs to emulate the Obama strategy to win. He will need to kiss ass, throw some people in the democratic party under the bus and come a bit to the center. We know his record and we know coming a little to the center for him is not selling out.
Mark Twain once said
Its easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled
Bernie wants to convince the American electorate that they have been fooled instead of trying to do a little of the fooling. I don't care how honest he is as a man or how super his policies are going to be, its not ever going to work if he doesn't try to do some fooling himself.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)but I'm not letting the chance to vote for an HONEST politician slip away from me. It is too important, and this may well be America's last chance to avert complete takeover of the government by the elites. Bernie has my voice, my support, and my vote.
I should add that his "attacking" republicans IMO iis actually the smart thing to do. He is not so much attacking as he is informing. Here's a post I put up yesterday that alludes to what I'm saying here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251409959
It is far past time the GOP agenda is exposed to the people for what it is. The third-way crew hasn't done it, and won't do it for the simple reason that they have too many commonalities with their GOP counterparts, so kudos to Bernie for exposing the lies. If you want to call that "attacking" well fine, but for me it's just what the doctor ordered.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They like to think the yuppies were former hippies that "grew up".
You'll still hear them acting like there's something wrong with older Liberals,...as if they're immature. They're treated like they must be living in their mom's basement and not out here in "the real world". The media also acts like being a Liberal means you have no ambition to better yourself and you don't contribute to society,...apart from some folk music, poetry, jewelry and as a consumer of overpriced organic produce.
Cosmocat
(14,589 posts)was involved a bit with the county party.
My own beliefs always fell in line with his politics from my early childhood.
We just naturally agreed.
In the late 80s/early 90s, she got hooked on cable new - CNN.
Hated Reagen, but loved Ollie North, that was the first blip.
I noticed in the mid to late 90s, she started veering from CNN to Fox.
During the 04 election run up, I took her to lunch at Wendys, and was flabbergasted when she blurted out how she was "embarrassed" by Howard Dean, after they ginned up the bullshit over the scream.
Dean was the prototype of what she would have liked in a politician or elected official.
This anecdotal, and my general observations are. Overall I see this, but I work a poll and the older population tends to lean strongly R. They also tend to go straight ticket a lot more than Ds.
I just think as the mind starts to deteriorate, the bullshit the machine throws out tends to suck them in more often than not.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)trad Republicans are fed up of all the tea party God stuff. They spend their lives trying to make ends meet - struggling and they will resonate with Bernie.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)whether Bernie Sanders can exploit that split for his own benefit is another story. Talk to tea party people and they tell you that they are fed up with traditional conservatives too but both sides except for few races here and there keep voting for the same guys.
The 2 party system is so strong that republicans dare not vote for the candidate with a D behind its name and democrats dare not vote for the R guy. I am afraid nothing will change until the winner takes all system is changed.