2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie responds to Claire McCaskill. Good job, Bernie.
Here's Claire!
From Bloomberg.com There is a video of Bernie's response at the link.
Bernie Sanders Responds to Claire McCaskill Attack: This Is a First
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Thursday responded to criticism from his Senate colleague, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, that he is too liberal to credibly challenge Hillary Clinton.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time that a colleague has attacked me, said Sanders, a Vermont socialist who joined the presidential race about two months ago, in an interview with Bloomberg Politics' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. You'll have to ask Senator McCaskill why.
Here's what McCaskill said:
McCaskill, who supported President Obama during the 2008 election, was quick to back Clinton this cycle, and said on MSNBC's Morning Joe Thursday that Sanders is too liberal to gather enough votes in this country to become president. Her comments came on the heels of Bloomberg Politics polling in Iowa and New Hampshire that showed Sanders gaining ground on Clinton, though the former secretary of state still holds a formidable lead.
....Do I believe, in opposition to Senator McCaskill, that we need trade policies that are fair to the American worker, and not just benefit CEOs and large corporations? Sanders said. I plead guilty.
Sanders said he absolutely believes in a single-payer health care system and opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Shameful that she compares Bernie Sanders to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Why? He wants people to finally start asking the right question.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)He wants them to think for themselves and have all the information to make a good choice.
azmom
(5,208 posts)They tried to use the word cranky to describe him, but it is not going to work.
People have had enough.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And the people know he's not because they're not laughing at him, they are agreeing with him and cheering him on!
FEEL THE BERN!!!
azmom
(5,208 posts)That he was so old. She said no. He's adorable. They love him in social media.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)22 years old. They are for Bernie!!
azmom
(5,208 posts)a kennedy
(29,796 posts)FEEL THE BERN!!! can't we get a smilie for that?
Volaris
(10,281 posts)Because, even if we DIDN'T have a good reason, that's a thing that should exist anyway, right?=)
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)Bernie 2016
(90 posts)Show me said reference.
#FeelTheBern!!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Feel better, now?
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Is that the reason you have picture of a hose coming out of your pants and onto someone's face?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)is not as nasty and vulgar as you.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)He's debating issues and we're debating porn. Think about that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)n/t
demwing
(16,916 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I'm not going to ask how you know about the, er, other thing(God I wish we had a "naughty naughty" smilie).
juajen
(8,515 posts)I want Hillary for President, and will support her in every way I can. But, that doesnt mean that I don't appreciate what Bernie has contributed to this country and to our cause. He is a wonderful man, and I wish him success in everything except beating Hill.
I do hope that people on this board, who are truly conflicted, will remember that we need both of them, and after watching the clown car fill up, we should be thrilled to have them both repesenting us. Class acts, both of them Go Hill, and Bernie!
I know that Duers will make them proud and follow their example.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)I appreciate your post. I must be a supporter by default-- he has been my favorite politician for years. His candidacy really excites me.
I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination though.
mwooldri
(10,305 posts)He makes a lot of sense - unlike a number of other politicians I could name.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)Bernie not only likes the kids on the lawn but will try to find a way to get a one for everyone to enjoy together.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to be angry. He's angry on OUR BEHALF. They just don't get it, do they? With all their 'experts hired to run these campaigns, all or so out of touch with actual people, they just keep screwing up, assuming that what goes on in their rarified atmosphere, is all that goes on in the world.
See the two founders of the Third Way eg, when they came out from their hiding places and wrote an OP Ed in the WSJ attacking Elizabeth Warren, assuming the world would agree with them, but they were slammed so hard they will no longer even talk about that article.
Let them out of touch, because they are making so many wrong moves when they go after Warren and Bernie which is good for all of us. Meantime Bernie's poll numbers continue to climb while Hillary's are declining. No one listens the these DC insiders anymore.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The worst thing they can say about him is 'socialist' and now 'extreme'. Well we all can see that his ideas are mainstream, not extreme in the least. They are only extreme when compared to corporatists' ideas.
And now we are seeing that Americans are not as afraid of the word 'socialist' as people think they are, even after its use as a slur against Obama.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026914392
See also:
Republicans for Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251415620
He can definitely win the general. And he should. How any one who calls themselves a Dem isn't supporting him is beyond me.
sellitman
(11,611 posts)Perfect! Love it!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Her derisive manner, her sneering, calling Sanders extreme, she is out of touch with the movement of the party. I do not like the way conservative Democrats look down their noses at the left; the left whose votes they think they own. I'm to the left of Sanders and I felt like she was sneering at me personally.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)She sounded arrogant.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Makes you wonder why they're in this party.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Whined about, 'socialism'. That's Republican shit.
Hillary better tell her surrogates to attack Bernie from the right at HER OWN peril, because every time HER surrogates do this, there will be a backlash. The pendulum is finally swinging back to the left.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)The idea that policies that support the people of this country are too "extreme" tells me all I need to know. Guess that populism is just for show (though we all knew that already). I hope McCaskill keeps it up, she's perfect to show what they really mean.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think Hillary should have a convo with her surrogates this time and tell them not to piss off likely voters with their bullshit. I don't feel extreme. If the Hillary people think that lefties are extreme, maybe they don't need us.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)and then use an avalanche of cash to get past the finish line. They may be right. I honestly think they wanted to play populist on teevee and are totally blindsided by a real populist in the race. We'll see if a majority of the people buy it. It's 2008 all the fuck over again!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I don't think they realize how important social media has become in the intervening years since the last run. There will be no secrets, all dirt will come to light.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)might be a huge mistake. They must have seen the polls and saw that populism was the order of the day. But her history/record doesn't support it; in fact all there is is evidence to the contrary. Her campaign is stepping in it all over the place, just like last time. They can't help themselves.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)I wonder if she is totally gobsmacked by the Bernie wave. 2 unstoppable opponents in a row. Or maybe she might realize, It's not them, it's me.
That said, I do try to find admirable things about her, and I'm a sucker for populist rhetoric so it's hard to tell if she's being genuine.. I'll be voting for her if she wins the nomination and don't want to dislike her if she gets elected.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But she has not chosen to run on them. Instead it makes her look disingenuous. She's trying for Obama 2008, but it's not 2008 and people want the real deal this time. I think...
juajen
(8,515 posts)lead, not follow.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)For the first time I feel a candidate is taking up issues that effect my friends and family. We all feel like finding a job is harder today than it was a decade ago. We all feel that any job we do find is on in which we are hanging on to by a thread because it could be gone tomorrow. When she derides my candidate, a candidate that I have spent time and money and reputation backing, she derides me quite directly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she got as many in as she could.
haven't liked her for a while.
she keeps reminding me why.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Can't stand her.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)then it wasn't just me. Thought for a minute that I has being too sensitive.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)She seemed dismissive and too willing to try and paint Bernie as an extremist. When the truth is Bernie's in line with traditional Dem party values...
There must be some concern that Bernie's becoming a problem for Hillary, calling Bernie too extreme to be President. If Hillary Clinton is being used as a measuring stick on how far to the left Democratic party can operate from, then the party is out of touch with voting Democrats
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Volaris
(10,281 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)When I heard Rahm Emanuel quoted as saying about the left "where else are they going to go", as in, 'we don't have to do shit for the left, they are forced to vote for us no matter how bad we screw them', I decided that I would eat a shit sandwich before I voted for another corporatist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)People may just sit home instead if they feel like they are being used and discarded. It's time for that old fashioned wrongheaded thinking to dissappear.
kath
(10,565 posts)Ain't no way, ain't no how.
Left the Prez spot blank in 2012, and will do it again if necessary.
(And before people jump all over my ass, I live in one of the very reddest of red states, so, thanks to the fucking anachronistic Electoral College, my vote doesn't mean shit.)
oh, and btw, fuck Rahm Emanuel and the horse he rode in on.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)In some places that would be considered an incomplete ballot.
Write in Bugs Bunny or something.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They think they know what is best for us. In reality their solutions aren't that great for us. Democrats are sick of this crap and that is why Bernie is popular.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Using terms like 'extreme' when talking about positions I favor is a big turn off. I hope this approach will not be the standard fare we recieve from Hillary surrogates. Last time I was very dissappointed. And hurt.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They keep peddling Republican ideas. It's not playing well with voters.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)McCaskill voted to pass the Fast Track today, BTW. Hillary wouldn't come out for or against it, but her surrogate certainly had a preference. And it wasn't what the majority of the American public wanted.
Quixote1818
(29,039 posts)pisses me off. Complete turn off and like you I am at least as far left as Sanders. So good job Clare, because now I am for sure voting for Sanders.
However, this also shows me that they are starting to get scared of Sanders and it's going to get rough and tumble from here on out if he continues to gain on Hillary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I knew he would gain on Hillary but I did not expect this reaction. I expect a move to the left not this condescension.
juajen
(8,515 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)juajen
(8,515 posts)onyourleft
(726 posts)I agree with you completely.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Thank you for you dignified and concise candor.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)
I'm going to cut and paste a post from another thread. It just a thought that gets to why the left is so frustrated with the economic wisdom of Washington - whether it be from the likes of Paul Ryan or Claire McCaskill.
Rank and file Democrats expect Democrats to work within the economic framing of tried and true
Keynesian economic theory and not work within the framework of the proven disastrous framework of RW Milton Friedman and Leo Strauss. Unfortunately, many Dems as well as the President work within that frame which provokes both confusion and frustration on the left.
The radical right wing economic philosophy that has guided and governed the USA for 40 years is so entrenched that many believe it's the only philosophical perspective. The lore of this disaster capitalism is that it's age old common wisdom. Ayn Rand is required reading in Community College economic classes. This dangerous economic policy is taken for granted as the only way.
In an age of mind bending wealth for the upper 1%, but crushing financial hardship for the 99%, the "Very Serious People", are discussing severe austerity measures and cutting Social Security and Medicare and/or raising the the eligibility age. WIC and SNAP programs are slashed in the name of austerity and shared sacrifices. It's "very serious people" bargaining with our lives to take life saving money away from the elderly and the poor and the ill to give back to the ultra rich.
One cannot strengthen and augment life saving programs like Social Security and live within the austerity of Friedman. The two philosophies do not reconcile at all. If you work within their economic framing, then you are ceding that their worldview is correct, it's just a matter of degrees. Those who protest these horrible ideas are branded as "radical leftists".
Washington's self important economic common wisdom is unsustainable for the common American.
The rise of the Occupy Wall Street, the Fight for $15! in conjunction with Black Lives Matter, as well as Rolling Jubilee all give voice to the needs of the people. Whether by design or happenstance, these movements demonstrate the Theory of the Rhizome put forth by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, two leftist thinkers that most in the mainstream don't even discuss. For the past 40 years, leftist thinkers have been elbowed out of the way to make room for free trade and trickle down economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizome_(philosophy)
I don't know why the wiki link isn't working so I'll add the original text here:
http://danm.ucsc.edu/~dustin/library/deleuzeguattarirhizome.pdf
These movements, that are routinely mocked and tittered about have changed the discussion in this country. We are now discussing Wall Street corruption. We are now talking about living wages paid to hard working people. We are now discussing crazy drug policies that criminalize whole communities. We are now discussing police violence against people of color. We are now discussing the corrupt bail system, and the coercive and punitive nature municipal ticketing of people of color. We are now discussing the privatized neo-debtor's prisons. We are now discussing canceling crippling student loan debt and free tuition.
Change is happening and the "very serious people" better take notice.
I'm so grateful for the introduction of Thomas Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century into the economic bloodstream. We now have more to discuss in Community College economic classes other than the Atlas Shrugged "textbook".
I thank Thomas Frank for this essay, because I think it gets to the root of why the left is so frustrated with the economic policies of the center right of the Democratic Party. It also clarifies Claire McCaskill's attacks on Bernie Sanders as being "too liberal" and a radical.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could ask our Presidential candidates who are their governing economic and political philosophers? I know that would help me decide who to vote for.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)She is as mindless as most Repukian candidates...Sanders is liberal...What the hell is wrong with that?...is McCorset saying that HRC is a TurdWay Democrat?
kath
(10,565 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)knuckleheads in MO, but not with people who utilize their brains.
Volaris
(10,281 posts)juajen
(8,515 posts)It's too damn obvious.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
cui bono
(19,926 posts)rather than Democratic Socialist. It does make a difference.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Sad to say, madfloridian..this is nothing compared to what is coming down the pike.
I do believe Sanders is prepared for it and so are we.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Just have to be prepared.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)We are going to see a LOT more of this! And the line between commentary and paid commentary will blur to the point of invisibility.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)nomination..he is going after the entire system.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And you are 100% correct: it will take the work of us to counter that push-back, with our actions, our words, our money, whatever we can do.
I'm ready!!!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)it have to be this way..who benefits? How can a democracy thrive under these constraints?
I am in all the way too....work hard, stay focused.
Historic NY
(37,463 posts)in fact neither did Potus. Whatever Sen. McCaskill is she is a strong supporter of women's rights and she won re-election, as a Democrat . The Bernie instigators want to primary her, so to them wait until 2018.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)No democrat is going to win here In 2016.
She is a useless dem.we might as well have republican.
Unlike 2012 i won't be supporting her at all in 2018.I made that decsion after her tpp vote.this just confirms my decsion as right.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Someone is feeling the Bern!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)so much as Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin gave it to her.
As for being a Democrat, McCaskill had this to say in an email I received today...
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)And I'm going to guess it wasn't a principled stand against foreign interventions, or administrative overreach.
Imo this smells like a smoking gun, that she handed you.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Sneering, derisive..... I expected nothing less.
He sure as hell knows how to deal with that crap.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Oh the outrage that would follow...you would never hear the end of it.
It would be as if you played the Hitler card.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)They seem to need to go back to high school cause they're dripping with stoopid.
Response to Phlem (Reply #21)
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Ino
(3,366 posts)Historic NY
(37,463 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)I should think the fact that McCaskill won the election would show we-all did NOT "prefer the rape guy".
Historic NY
(37,463 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)What does that have to do with Akin?
I cannot follow your train of thought at all. I am disembarking.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)No. But go on, have your fun.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DINOs are part of the past.
kacekwl
(7,028 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)They must have attended the same workshop where surrogates were taught to spit out the word "socialist".
I was looking forward to watching to panic set in. I just didn't think it would happen this soon!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)imthevicar
(811 posts)They Ignore you, Then they attack you, Then you win.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... to fill a cabinet position on my staff (I know that choice would never happen!), I think I'd rather put someone like Ron Paul as Secretary of Homeland Security than have her in any other cabinet position at all. That's how bad she is!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I wonder how many people will see Bernie's response? Bloomberg TV, does that get many viewers? She was given plenty of time to spew her B.D.S. rant on MS-NBC, on a show that gets a lot of viewers. The hosts asked some questions about her statements but were really just egging her on, wanting her to do a better job of making the case because it's a case they want made.
I thought McCaskill did a terrible job, but it's not what I thought that matters, it's what people who know little to nothing about Bernie who saw the attack thought that matters.
One good thing about this, it shows they are getting a little worried. Fasten your seat belts, the corporatists are going to take us on one of those "rough rides". But that's better than ignoring us because we have nowhere else to go.
antigop
(12,778 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Slammed Claire's, and put a question back to her. I doubt she will respond to that.
Gore1FL
(21,185 posts)How tragic is it that I have Roy Blunt, too?
xocet
(3,875 posts)littered about the state...
Phill Brooks, Jefferson City Correspondent
May 14, 2012 2:17 PM
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (KMOX) The first day of the last week for the Missouri legislatures 2012 session was highlighted by armed police guarding the House chamber where a controversial radio talk show host was being honored.
Behind the locked doors of the chamber that was surrounded by more than one dozen police, Rush Limbaugh watched as his bust for the Capitols Hall of Famous Missourians was unveiled on Monday, May 14.
Shortly after the unveiling, however, Gov. Jay Nixons administration issued a document raising questions about the House speakers authority to handpick whose bust can be placed in the Capitol rotunda.
The unveiling of Limbaughs bust was kept secret from all but invited guests until less than an hour before the ceremony.
...
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/stealth-ceremony-for-rush-his-bust/
Waverly, MO:
Gen. Jo Shelby Statue Dedicated in Waverly, MO June 27th
Twenty-six years of organizing, planning and selling of books culminated in a recent celebration of the life of Kentucky-born and educated Confederate Gen. Joseph Orville Shelby. The folks of little Waverly, Missouri, population 807, were determined to honor their hometown hero. They completed their long mission on Saturday, June 27, 2009 with the dedication of the first statue to honor General Shelby.
...
http://thelostcauseky.blogspot.com/2009/07/gen-jo-shelby-statue-dedicated-in.html
near Higginsville, MO:
Saint Louis, MO:
by Lindsay Toler
April 21, 2015
2:28 PM
During the official dedication of Forest Parks only memorial commemorating fallen Confederate soldiers, in December 1914, Mrs. H. N. Spencer asked the city of St. Louis to guard [Confederate Monument] as a sacred trust.
It seems fitting that Missouri, so strongly Southern in sentiment, should have the shaft reared here in this, her great metropolis, said Spencer, who led the $23,000 effort to build the monument, according to Confederate Veteran magazine. It is the embodiment of our love.
A century later, in a city still struggling to find unity, Mayor Francis Slay is asking local experts whether preserving the 32-foot granite memorial to the Confederacy would mean continuing to display it in one of St. Louis' most popular attractions.
For now, the monument sits on Confederate Drive in Forest Park, just a stones throw from a statue honoring German immigrants who fought for the Union during the Civil War. Slay announced Tuesday that he's forming a centennial reappraisal committee, made up of representatives from the Missouri History Museum, Forest Park Forever, and the Incarnate Word Foundation, to determine the monuments future, including a possible relocation.
...
http://www.stlmag.com/news/confederate-monument-in-forest-park/
I'm here in these parts, too.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Now I like her even less.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Great rebuke by Sanders.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)She's made to look a little more liberal than she really is because the republicans have moved so far right.
She is among way too many "democrats" who are much like republicans before the B Actor took them rightward.
Bernie surely represents many progressives, including me, way more than a neo democrat like McCaskill.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Ooga Booga socialist woo woo sparkle fart!!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I swore I wouldn't laugh at that, but I did.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
You are funny! Made me laugh.
BlueEye
(449 posts)she loose her seat in 2018?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And obvious.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)Yes, WHY indeed. We know why, don't we? Queen Hillary is already scared.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)He won that match handily. Which of Hillary's henchmen are next?
pa28
(6,145 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Because is seems to be having the exact opposite effect she was hoping for.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)another female candidate...what is it about the Crazy Eyes?
SamKnause
(13,114 posts)That blank stare.
That caught in the headlights stare.
The eyes don't lie.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)That not cool.
and that is something I would hope the clinton campaign would denounce.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Right now those are the only serious candidates in the race. Lincoln Chafee is going nowhere and if Jim Webb announces, thats fine, I like him personally but I think he it far too blue doggish on policy (the right of Hillary Clinton for sure).
Having said that, McCaskill is just being a straight asshole here. Theres no reason to tear Bernie down. He isn't tearing Hillary Clinton down. Every time they try to bait him into it, he says "I respect her, I've known her for 25 years, she is a friend" and continues on to frame it about policy positions and not personality. The last thing Democrats should do is tear each other up during this primary. Lets have constructive debates and let people vote for the candidate they think best represents them. The Republican field is so jam packed full of strong, negative personalities... that just having a civil election on our side will guarantee that whoever we choose will win over whoever the Republicans nominate (probably Jeb, I figurel). They are going to have a primary season thats totally in the gutter, I guarantee it. You think Gingrich, Cain, Bachman, Santorum, etc is good... lol, we ain't seen nothin' yet.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Claire will be put in cold storage
frylock
(34,825 posts)....Do I believe, in opposition to Senator McCaskill, that we need trade policies that are fair to the American worker, and not just benefit CEOs and large corporations? Sanders said. I plead guilty.
fucking. hard. core.
#feelthebern
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That is just weird, Claire Claire Claire.
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)toward cute but radically liberal and socialist Bernie, when he's the only one discussing root issues, will backfire on the establishment Dems.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)markpkessinger
(8,409 posts)Oh, heaven forfend!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Pat Buchanan. Now that is projection. Considering she and Pat both eat from the same trough.
Bernie is like the DC Serpico. Stay safe Senator. All of our futures depend on it more than ever.
FloriTexan
(838 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and its DINO blue lap doggies not only despise the "dirty fucking hippies" on the left, I'm beginning to think they are contemptuous of liberalism in general, at least this definition of it:
liberalism: In the twentieth century, a viewpoint or ideology associated with free political institutions and religious toleration, as well as support for a strong role of government in regulating capitalism and constructing the welfare state.
LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)of his name calling, hate filled, say anything supporters.
It's a good thing this forum isn't read far and wide. The only way he could play the "I don't attack" card is if he totally ignores his supporters. I'll qualify that...his supporters on here. The mean spirited, usually false attacks on Hillary are over the top. Has anyone looked up her voting record? Her work for women and children? Her service to the country? Her forerunner health care plan during Bill Clinton's administration that allowed Obama's health care plan to finally be passed? She was put down by Republicans...and people like those insult slingers on here, during his administration because she didn't walk two steps behind and smile. She dared to show she had a brain. Hillary has done much good. I have nothing at all against Bernie, except his so called satire against women when he was younger, I'd vote for him if he gets the nomination. I have much distaste for his supporters on this forum.
What makes Bernie's crowd (on here anyway) different from the Teaparty who vow to have everything their way? They are spoiled brats who don't understand that our government is made to compromise. We have to explain our views, try to change the minds of those who aren't totally closed, pick our battles, and move the country ahead. Tearing down our candidates instead of debating views is pissing in the wind.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Really?
You really don't know what makes the Bernie crowd different than the teaparty?
valerief
(53,235 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...will backfire on Democrats miserably
blackspade
(10,056 posts)You can be a liberal, and a socialist and be part of the Democratic Party.
Obviously the good senator has forgotten this.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Because anybody who's gonna step outta line ain't "getting any" DOE RAY ME, know what I mean?
I just love it when the lemmings form their line-up
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)is how Bernie wins the debate.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Progressive/Warren/Sanders Wing and the Conservative/McCaskill Wing. Guess which wing is owned by the billionaires.
midnight
(26,624 posts)health care? It just seems like it is best for most American families and this countries economics.
djean111
(14,255 posts)All about the sound bite. Facts are irrelevant.
midnight
(26,624 posts)are liking that he is liberal with access to health care and education. Glad that Americans are having this discussion. I hope it just keeps going more liberal towards helping the working people of this country in the same liberal way Wall Street has been bailed out....
ut oh
(906 posts)a Republican Claire....
Going with the 'Socialist' tag just a few sentences into her statement made her sound a bit Ann Coulter-ish too... just not quite as looney...
It's a very disappointing a Dem is coming across this way.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)she has no credibility at all. Ugly. Stuff like this backfired on Hillary in 08 and will backfire on her again.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)"Just Sayin' ..." lol
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/n25cmq/cnn-s-just-sayin-
frylock
(34,825 posts)whenever she flapped her gums, Obama would receive a bump in donations.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..kicked to the curb long ago.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)*
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)A character straight out of Dr.Strangelove
demwing
(16,916 posts)but desperately wants to
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)for any dem who runs against her.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)they are not able to keep track of where Bernie's vote is. It's everywhere.