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Draft Biden 2016 (Original Post) LynneSin Jun 2015 OP
more choices = good. go for it joe! nt msongs Jun 2015 #1
Best. Bumpersticker. Ever. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #2
It's pretty cool! frylock Jun 2015 #32
This is what i want so bad. underthematrix Jun 2015 #3
There has been serious talk about it LynneSin Jun 2015 #4
Love it! Hope the rumors are true! woodsprite Jun 2015 #5
Wow, if he runs that will really shake shit up. Agschmid Jun 2015 #6
i love Biden and i would support him if he ran but this is not a good idea JI7 Jun 2015 #7
Why would it not be a good idea? LynneSin Jun 2015 #8
i'm opposed to drafts because i think a Presidential candidate JI7 Jun 2015 #9
He really is considering it LynneSin Jun 2015 #10
if that's the case it would be different JI7 Jun 2015 #11
I think secretly he would but Obama is a fair person LynneSin Jun 2015 #15
This really would be something. elleng Jun 2015 #17
He still is a Third Way Democrat Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #34
I agree with you swilton Jun 2015 #45
Ed Asner would support him flamingdem Jun 2015 #12
I wouldn't support anyone that voted for the AUMF. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #13
I do hope you are talking primaries LynneSin Jun 2015 #14
I am. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #16
Fair enough! LynneSin Jun 2015 #20
The election is a long ways off, johnkramer Jun 2015 #18
If Hillary wasn't in the race he'd probably easily get the nod LynneSin Jun 2015 #22
Biden is just biding his time. johnkramer Jun 2015 #24
I would not go so far as to say that the Clinton's were "very good" to Obama karynnj Jun 2015 #30
Oh much like Gore got the nod to continue the economic prosperity that Clinton set up? Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #36
Clinton endorsed Gore. johnkramer Jun 2015 #39
Does that sticker exist yet? Looks cool. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #19
Yes you can get the sticker at the draft Biden website LynneSin Jun 2015 #21
If Bernie falters or withdraws early, I'd consider it. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #23
You do know I'm a big fan of Bernie LynneSin Jun 2015 #27
Interesting possibilities there. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #41
I like Joe madokie Jun 2015 #25
Joe has a great record on Womens-rights awake Jun 2015 #26
I would gladly support Biden if he were in the race davidpdx Jun 2015 #28
you can't blame him for why he waited LynneSin Jun 2015 #29
Yeah we can now see why he was hesitant davidpdx Jun 2015 #40
No thanks. LWolf Jun 2015 #31
I like Biden. He's a good person, but his bankruptcy bill was shit.. frylock Jun 2015 #33
Not to mention the RAVE Act, Biden is a major, major drug warrior Fumesucker Jun 2015 #35
I had forgotten about that frylock Jun 2015 #38
Pass. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #37
I would love it! Just to see Obama campaign for him. Autumn Jun 2015 #42
I doubt he will enter just to embarrass himself fighting Bernie Sanders for second place. tritsofme Jun 2015 #43
I think 1988 was his to lose until that plagerism scandal LynneSin Jun 2015 #44
Kick. Agschmid Jun 2015 #46
I believe we currently have wonderful choices. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #47
Actually we have 4 LynneSin Jun 2015 #49
Didn't forget. Left Chafee out. I am supporting O'Malley at this point. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #50
No thanks. 99Forever Jun 2015 #48
If Obama's ratings soar, Joe jumps on his coattails mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #51

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. There has been serious talk about it
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jun 2015

i believe the biggest holdup is mainly the recent death of his son. But if Biden announces it will be in August.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
9. i'm opposed to drafts because i think a Presidential candidate
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jun 2015

should want it enough to run themselves. i will say Biden is a special case because there are the personal matters with the loss of his son so no matter how much someone wants it if they are dealing with something like that it would just be impossible for them to get into it.

so it is possible that without the horrible loss of his son and if there was no illness he would have done the usual things a person who wants to be president would have done.

but also because of the loss of his son i'm not sure he is really up to it . especially now. and it feels a bit like intruding on him .

in the unlikely event that the person that is likely to be the nominee is not able to run for whatever reason i do think Biden is the one that will be called on to step in .

he would be my first choice if he gets into the race though.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
10. He really is considering it
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jun 2015

Check out this article from The News Journal:

Joe Biden's presidential decision hinges on family

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/26/biden-presidential-decision-hinges-family/29356461/

I don't see the 'draft Biden' group the same as how people were desperate to get Elizabeth Warren running. I truly believe there was always going to be 2016 Biden run but he probably spent any free time in the beginning of 2015 to be with his so Beau as Beau was dealing with Cancer. That would have been the worst Time to start a campaign. So this article sounds like he could be making the jump into the race in August and the 'Draft Biden' site is to start rounding up supporters now. If Joe enters the race it's because he wants to be there not because his supporters begged him to run.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
11. if that's the case it would be different
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:32 AM
Jun 2015

i wonder if there is any chance that Obama would endorse him .

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. I think secretly he would but Obama is a fair person
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:35 AM
Jun 2015

he has a great deal of respect for the other candidates and especially for the Clintons. It would be kind of a dick move to endorse Joe over Hillary or vice versa.

elleng

(131,457 posts)
17. This really would be something.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:18 AM
Jun 2015

'Biden is expected to announce in August whether he will run for president. Draft Biden, launched by former staffers and campaign veterans, is hiring staff in Iowa and New Hampshire and raising funds for independent expenditures in support of a possible Biden candidacy. The group so far has nearly 100,000 signatures on a petition urging Biden to run and is planning a rally in Wilmington in late July.'

 

Bernie 2016

(90 posts)
34. He still is a Third Way Democrat
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

Who can forget that the descriptor of "Senator from MBNA" when MBNA was still around.

I can never forgive him for the bankruptcy bill that screwed most of the people who was looking for relief.



 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
45. I agree with you
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

His third way message brings nothing (other than he's not Hillary) in terms of change or new policies to the campaign....

I also think that his mission is strictly that of spoiler - to get a DLC/Third wayer in the WH - He after all is taking some of the primary votes away from any two of the non-Hillary candidates.....

He's polling now - what is it @ 8% in NH...If that 8% went to Sanders, it would put him (with the margin of error) ahead of Hillary....Don't know where I've heard it, but I've heard it mentioned more than once, that his 'indecision' and appearance within the polls keeps O'Malley and Sanders from polling higher.

I know he just lost a son - and that must be a great loss. But most politicians are at the end of the day sociopathic...It will be a long time before I forget his picture embracing Obama after the Senate passed the last phase of the TPP.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
14. I do hope you are talking primaries
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:32 AM
Jun 2015


I went to a seminar where Joe talked about that vote. It was about a year after the war started and he spoke about the doubts he had casting it. I can honestly say many of us said our minds about upset we were with how he voted. But in the end it I know what he did was difficult and I know he has regrets about it too.

Joe has done a lot of good for this country too and I genuinely like the guy. I know he's flawed and he's made bad votes but I still think he would make a great President.

I am not a single issue voter. I know the Joe today would not have cast that vote- we now know lies were told. But after the primaries are done I will vote for whichever democrat wins the primaries. There is nothing anyone can convinced to vote otherwise.
 

johnkramer

(21 posts)
18. The election is a long ways off,
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:23 AM
Jun 2015

but I can't see Biden not getting in the race. His VP status means he will easily get the nod. He will not be snubbed. Not a chance.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
22. If Hillary wasn't in the race he'd probably easily get the nod
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:15 AM
Jun 2015

and not to be disrespectful to the other candidates but an incumbent VP always has a bonus. But Hillary has had a serious head start and probably has many of the supporters who might consider Biden. And I can't see Obama endorsing Biden in the primaries. The Clintons have been very good to Obama and it would be a dick move for Obama to favor one candidate over the others. Even Joe knows that.

Who might actually benefit from all of this is Bernie Sanders because his supporters are solid but there are Clinton supporters who might reconsider if Biden joins thus creating a real strong 3-way race.

 

johnkramer

(21 posts)
24. Biden is just biding his time.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jun 2015

Clinton is in there to galvanize opinion and to stay relevant. It always works this way. Kennedy had a big lead on Carter in 1979. Circumstances were a little different, but there is no way Biden does not get the nod.

Obama will absolutely endorse his own VP. There are no dick moves in politics, especially something as expected and straightforward as this. Obama will endorse Joe for the sake of unity. He will do it because recent history dictates it. The TV networks are just making a lot of money covering Hilary. It's really a circus.

karynnj

(59,511 posts)
30. I would not go so far as to say that the Clinton's were "very good" to Obama
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

I would say, that when their interests coincided, they were there and they were good. Example his 2012 convention speech. However, there was the whole 2014 meme - fed by their allies- that there were broad areas where Obama could not go and help candidates and they were exceptionally good. In fact, it is REALLY hard to find examples where candidates - who they supported while dissing Obama won.

In addition, I would imagine that there are many in the Obama administration who are extremely angry over the email mess. Going back to the original NYT article, it is clear that they had a tough time getting her to agree to give the emails to the SD - requiring negotiations. Then it seems that it took almost a half year before they got them ON PAPER. (not exactly responsive there) Then - to help herself - HRC said the SD would make them all public.

Two things here -- she put the current SD in jeopardy of being accused of helping her cover up (even though there is NOTHING to cover up). She also is responsible for them having 12 professionals working full time to prepare all the emails for being put online. They are already accused of "taking too long" and they almost certainly will miss at least something that should be redacted - and will be called on it. Then to add insult to injury, they will be accused of "hiding things" through redactions!

Now, it is clear with parts or all of 15 out of 60 Blumenthal emails missing, that the SD did not get all of them. It is good that they simply admitted that was the case. The fact is that the Obama administration should not do anything to cover up for Clinton here. Note ALL of this caused by HRC - against Obama policy -- wanting control over what ARE GOVERNMENT emails.

I bet if you gave Obama truth serum - he has likely been far happier with the loyal VP than the self serving former Secretary of State.

 

Bernie 2016

(90 posts)
36. Oh much like Gore got the nod to continue the economic prosperity that Clinton set up?
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

And distanced away from Clinton due to the Lewinsky scandal.

How did that work out for him?

 

johnkramer

(21 posts)
39. Clinton endorsed Gore.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:10 PM
Jun 2015

That is in keeping with what I said about Obama endorsing Biden. Obama not endorsing him would be quite boneheaded and make him really look bad. This is Politics 101, known by a high school civics student.

You're talking about Gore distancing himself from Clinton. The parallel would be Biden distancing himself from Obama, but that is not the discussion, nor is that happening.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Does that sticker exist yet? Looks cool.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jun 2015

Biden...the"Route 66" candidate. It could work.

Most likely scenarios for it would be:

1)HRC collapses, O'Malley and Chafee never catch on, and the party regulars search for an "ABB&quot Anybody but Bernie) candidate.

2)HRC and Bernie are deadlocked going into Philly, and a movement to draft Biden as a "unity" candidate emerges.

For either scenario, Biden would probably wait for assurances that nobody had a chance to win on the first ballot and a guarantee that he'd get a second-ballot majority.

But this is plausible.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
21. Yes you can get the sticker at the draft Biden website
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jun 2015

i think if it was for his son Beau he might have already entered this race. But he spent the first part of 2015 being with his family and dealing with his son battling cancer. But the draft Biden is just a bunch of hopeful Biden fans similar to the Elizabeth Warren movement. These are some serious campaign organizers pre-planning for when Joe makes his decision which they say will be in August.

I've always been neutral with who I have supported in the primaries because Joe is always been my favorite. He is who I supported in 2008 and after he dropped I figured I'll support whomever wins.

But as VP he could be a serious contender. I guess we'll wait and see. I'll still buy a sticker!

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
27. You do know I'm a big fan of Bernie
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:33 AM
Jun 2015

Honestly, I just can support any candidate out there but figured Biden was out because of dealing with the death of his son.

And with our primary here in Delaware late in the game, it isn't going to matter who I pick because the choice will probably be made by the time the primaries comes around even if Biden is in the game.

I think this could help Bernie. To me Bernie supporters are solid, Biden supporters mostly migrated over to Clinton. If Biden jumps into the game it might make this a very solid 3-way race

madokie

(51,076 posts)
25. I like Joe
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:49 AM
Jun 2015

have since day one. He's a good man and always have been. A straight shooter that Joe Biden fella'

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
28. I would gladly support Biden if he were in the race
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

Even though the elections a long 7 months away I think he would made a move by now. I haven't decided 100% and have waited to see if the field is set or more people will run. At this point in the election cycle in 2007 I had picked the person I wanted to support and stayed with him all the way (and am still with him). I wish it were that easy this time.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
29. you can't blame him for why he waited
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

My assumption is that Beau was dealing with cancer beginning of 2015 and that was his top priority the beginning of the year. It would have looked bad of him to run a presidential campaign while his son was dying.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
40. Yeah we can now see why he was hesitant
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jun 2015

I wonder if it is too late though. The anointed one has raised hundreds of millions (if not billions) already. I have to wonder if Biden could stop into the race and stop her.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
31. No thanks.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jun 2015

I have nothing against him, but he doesn't bring what I want to the table. I'd vote for him over HRC, but I'd rather focus on a candidate that DOES support my issues.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
33. I like Biden. He's a good person, but his bankruptcy bill was shit..
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

which had a direct affect on me. IWR is also an issue for me.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
35. Not to mention the RAVE Act, Biden is a major, major drug warrior
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

All those minorities in prison losing their franchise? Joe was in favor of all that.

tritsofme

(17,449 posts)
43. I doubt he will enter just to embarrass himself fighting Bernie Sanders for second place.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

Though having no shot at the nomination hasn't stopped him from launching quixotic White House bids in the past...

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
44. I think 1988 was his to lose until that plagerism scandal
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

and it was a dumbass scandal if you ask me. People today have done far worse and been President. Hell George Bush went AWOL, did Coke and had a DUI and he got in the White House. Makes what Biden did kinda a joke.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
47. I believe we currently have wonderful choices.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 07:45 AM
Jun 2015

I am not against anyone else getting in, I just don't see the point. We have three great candidates. Each has something for everyone. The three we have are perfect reflections of the party. Biden, get some rest my friend. Figure out your next path and take it on like the champ you are. So much love for you.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
49. Actually we have 4
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

I'm assuming you forgot either Chafee or O'Malley.

And I see no problem with Biden jumping into the race. I think he would have jumped in ages ago had he not been dealing with a son who was battling brain cancer. There was an article published in The Hill just a few days ago that said Beau was encouraging his father to run for President.

Should we punish Joe and tell him he cannot run simply because he put his family first while other candidates were jumping into the race? If these other wonderful choices are the better choice over Joe then the voters will decide that. There seems to be many of us out there who are big fans of the Vice President and would like to see him run.

I think as long as the candidates joining the ticket are intelligent and bring something to the table other than the hopes of future speaking engagements (aka the clowns of the GOP clown card) then I say there is room for one more.

Oh I found the article
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246412-report-bidens-sons-urged-him-to-run-for-president

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