2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDraft Biden 2016
https://www.draftbiden2016.com/?475
I'm still supporting any democratic candidate in the general election but rumor has it Joe might jump into the game and I always said if Joe runs I'll support him!!
msongs
(67,509 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)i believe the biggest holdup is mainly the recent death of his son. But if Biden announces it will be in August.
woodsprite
(11,945 posts)I'd have to change my avatar back
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)JI7
(89,289 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)just curious
JI7
(89,289 posts)should want it enough to run themselves. i will say Biden is a special case because there are the personal matters with the loss of his son so no matter how much someone wants it if they are dealing with something like that it would just be impossible for them to get into it.
so it is possible that without the horrible loss of his son and if there was no illness he would have done the usual things a person who wants to be president would have done.
but also because of the loss of his son i'm not sure he is really up to it . especially now. and it feels a bit like intruding on him .
in the unlikely event that the person that is likely to be the nominee is not able to run for whatever reason i do think Biden is the one that will be called on to step in .
he would be my first choice if he gets into the race though.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Check out this article from The News Journal:
Joe Biden's presidential decision hinges on family
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/26/biden-presidential-decision-hinges-family/29356461/
I don't see the 'draft Biden' group the same as how people were desperate to get Elizabeth Warren running. I truly believe there was always going to be 2016 Biden run but he probably spent any free time in the beginning of 2015 to be with his so Beau as Beau was dealing with Cancer. That would have been the worst Time to start a campaign. So this article sounds like he could be making the jump into the race in August and the 'Draft Biden' site is to start rounding up supporters now. If Joe enters the race it's because he wants to be there not because his supporters begged him to run.
JI7
(89,289 posts)i wonder if there is any chance that Obama would endorse him .
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)he has a great deal of respect for the other candidates and especially for the Clintons. It would be kind of a dick move to endorse Joe over Hillary or vice versa.
elleng
(131,457 posts)'Biden is expected to announce in August whether he will run for president. Draft Biden, launched by former staffers and campaign veterans, is hiring staff in Iowa and New Hampshire and raising funds for independent expenditures in support of a possible Biden candidacy. The group so far has nearly 100,000 signatures on a petition urging Biden to run and is planning a rally in Wilmington in late July.'
Bernie 2016
(90 posts)Who can forget that the descriptor of "Senator from MBNA" when MBNA was still around.
I can never forgive him for the bankruptcy bill that screwed most of the people who was looking for relief.
swilton
(5,069 posts)His third way message brings nothing (other than he's not Hillary) in terms of change or new policies to the campaign....
I also think that his mission is strictly that of spoiler - to get a DLC/Third wayer in the WH - He after all is taking some of the primary votes away from any two of the non-Hillary candidates.....
He's polling now - what is it @ 8% in NH...If that 8% went to Sanders, it would put him (with the margin of error) ahead of Hillary....Don't know where I've heard it, but I've heard it mentioned more than once, that his 'indecision' and appearance within the polls keeps O'Malley and Sanders from polling higher.
I know he just lost a son - and that must be a great loss. But most politicians are at the end of the day sociopathic...It will be a long time before I forget his picture embracing Obama after the Senate passed the last phase of the TPP.
flamingdem
(39,342 posts)says he "has heart".
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I went to a seminar where Joe talked about that vote. It was about a year after the war started and he spoke about the doubts he had casting it. I can honestly say many of us said our minds about upset we were with how he voted. But in the end it I know what he did was difficult and I know he has regrets about it too.
Joe has done a lot of good for this country too and I genuinely like the guy. I know he's flawed and he's made bad votes but I still think he would make a great President.
I am not a single issue voter. I know the Joe today would not have cast that vote- we now know lies were told. But after the primaries are done I will vote for whichever democrat wins the primaries. There is nothing anyone can convinced to vote otherwise.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)johnkramer
(21 posts)but I can't see Biden not getting in the race. His VP status means he will easily get the nod. He will not be snubbed. Not a chance.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)and not to be disrespectful to the other candidates but an incumbent VP always has a bonus. But Hillary has had a serious head start and probably has many of the supporters who might consider Biden. And I can't see Obama endorsing Biden in the primaries. The Clintons have been very good to Obama and it would be a dick move for Obama to favor one candidate over the others. Even Joe knows that.
Who might actually benefit from all of this is Bernie Sanders because his supporters are solid but there are Clinton supporters who might reconsider if Biden joins thus creating a real strong 3-way race.
johnkramer
(21 posts)Clinton is in there to galvanize opinion and to stay relevant. It always works this way. Kennedy had a big lead on Carter in 1979. Circumstances were a little different, but there is no way Biden does not get the nod.
Obama will absolutely endorse his own VP. There are no dick moves in politics, especially something as expected and straightforward as this. Obama will endorse Joe for the sake of unity. He will do it because recent history dictates it. The TV networks are just making a lot of money covering Hilary. It's really a circus.
karynnj
(59,511 posts)I would say, that when their interests coincided, they were there and they were good. Example his 2012 convention speech. However, there was the whole 2014 meme - fed by their allies- that there were broad areas where Obama could not go and help candidates and they were exceptionally good. In fact, it is REALLY hard to find examples where candidates - who they supported while dissing Obama won.
In addition, I would imagine that there are many in the Obama administration who are extremely angry over the email mess. Going back to the original NYT article, it is clear that they had a tough time getting her to agree to give the emails to the SD - requiring negotiations. Then it seems that it took almost a half year before they got them ON PAPER. (not exactly responsive there) Then - to help herself - HRC said the SD would make them all public.
Two things here -- she put the current SD in jeopardy of being accused of helping her cover up (even though there is NOTHING to cover up). She also is responsible for them having 12 professionals working full time to prepare all the emails for being put online. They are already accused of "taking too long" and they almost certainly will miss at least something that should be redacted - and will be called on it. Then to add insult to injury, they will be accused of "hiding things" through redactions!
Now, it is clear with parts or all of 15 out of 60 Blumenthal emails missing, that the SD did not get all of them. It is good that they simply admitted that was the case. The fact is that the Obama administration should not do anything to cover up for Clinton here. Note ALL of this caused by HRC - against Obama policy -- wanting control over what ARE GOVERNMENT emails.
I bet if you gave Obama truth serum - he has likely been far happier with the loyal VP than the self serving former Secretary of State.
Bernie 2016
(90 posts)And distanced away from Clinton due to the Lewinsky scandal.
How did that work out for him?
johnkramer
(21 posts)That is in keeping with what I said about Obama endorsing Biden. Obama not endorsing him would be quite boneheaded and make him really look bad. This is Politics 101, known by a high school civics student.
You're talking about Gore distancing himself from Clinton. The parallel would be Biden distancing himself from Obama, but that is not the discussion, nor is that happening.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Biden...the"Route 66" candidate. It could work.
Most likely scenarios for it would be:
1)HRC collapses, O'Malley and Chafee never catch on, and the party regulars search for an "ABB" Anybody but Bernie) candidate.
2)HRC and Bernie are deadlocked going into Philly, and a movement to draft Biden as a "unity" candidate emerges.
For either scenario, Biden would probably wait for assurances that nobody had a chance to win on the first ballot and a guarantee that he'd get a second-ballot majority.
But this is plausible.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)i think if it was for his son Beau he might have already entered this race. But he spent the first part of 2015 being with his family and dealing with his son battling cancer. But the draft Biden is just a bunch of hopeful Biden fans similar to the Elizabeth Warren movement. These are some serious campaign organizers pre-planning for when Joe makes his decision which they say will be in August.
I've always been neutral with who I have supported in the primaries because Joe is always been my favorite. He is who I supported in 2008 and after he dropped I figured I'll support whomever wins.
But as VP he could be a serious contender. I guess we'll wait and see. I'll still buy a sticker!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Honestly, I just can support any candidate out there but figured Biden was out because of dealing with the death of his son.
And with our primary here in Delaware late in the game, it isn't going to matter who I pick because the choice will probably be made by the time the primaries comes around even if Biden is in the game.
I think this could help Bernie. To me Bernie supporters are solid, Biden supporters mostly migrated over to Clinton. If Biden jumps into the game it might make this a very solid 3-way race
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)have since day one. He's a good man and always have been. A straight shooter that Joe Biden fella'
awake
(3,226 posts)"Writing the ground-breaking Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) in the 1990s"
http://4biden.com/news/womens-rights/index.html
"..Joe Biden blasts Neanderthal House GOP over womens rights"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/biden-blasts-neanderthal-house-gop-women-rights-article-1.1454818
War on women is real
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75091.html
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Even though the elections a long 7 months away I think he would made a move by now. I haven't decided 100% and have waited to see if the field is set or more people will run. At this point in the election cycle in 2007 I had picked the person I wanted to support and stayed with him all the way (and am still with him). I wish it were that easy this time.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)My assumption is that Beau was dealing with cancer beginning of 2015 and that was his top priority the beginning of the year. It would have looked bad of him to run a presidential campaign while his son was dying.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I wonder if it is too late though. The anointed one has raised hundreds of millions (if not billions) already. I have to wonder if Biden could stop into the race and stop her.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I have nothing against him, but he doesn't bring what I want to the table. I'd vote for him over HRC, but I'd rather focus on a candidate that DOES support my issues.
frylock
(34,825 posts)which had a direct affect on me. IWR is also an issue for me.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)All those minorities in prison losing their franchise? Joe was in favor of all that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)thx
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)tritsofme
(17,449 posts)Though having no shot at the nomination hasn't stopped him from launching quixotic White House bids in the past...
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)and it was a dumbass scandal if you ask me. People today have done far worse and been President. Hell George Bush went AWOL, did Coke and had a DUI and he got in the White House. Makes what Biden did kinda a joke.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I am not against anyone else getting in, I just don't see the point. We have three great candidates. Each has something for everyone. The three we have are perfect reflections of the party. Biden, get some rest my friend. Figure out your next path and take it on like the champ you are. So much love for you.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I'm assuming you forgot either Chafee or O'Malley.
And I see no problem with Biden jumping into the race. I think he would have jumped in ages ago had he not been dealing with a son who was battling brain cancer. There was an article published in The Hill just a few days ago that said Beau was encouraging his father to run for President.
Should we punish Joe and tell him he cannot run simply because he put his family first while other candidates were jumping into the race? If these other wonderful choices are the better choice over Joe then the voters will decide that. There seems to be many of us out there who are big fans of the Vice President and would like to see him run.
I think as long as the candidates joining the ticket are intelligent and bring something to the table other than the hopes of future speaking engagements (aka the clowns of the GOP clown card) then I say there is room for one more.
Oh I found the article
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246412-report-bidens-sons-urged-him-to-run-for-president
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)He is okay as a person, but as a president?
Not so much.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Go Joe! Please