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JI7

(89,290 posts)
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:27 AM Jun 2015

"Hillary Clinton's Gay Fanbase" "written in 2013"

this was written in 2013 by a Gay Man that supported Obama . there might be some hyperbole but maybe it could give some understanding of why she is popular among the lgbt community . the one that stands out most is how one of the attacks against her going back to the 90s was how she was a lesbian. this is something she never tried to defend herself against as if it was something bad. even though those using it meant it as if it was negative . she never felt the need to try to convince anyone she was not "one of them" .


<Hillary, though, seems to have a cult following among moderate-to-liberal, working-to-middle class white women and white gay men of all economic classes. Certainly she has detractors within these groups and additional support elsewhere, but among gay men especially, she is often idolized. Is it because she is, to quote her former boss, a “fierce advocate” for gay rights and causes? I would argue that it is not.

With all of that said, gay men usually err on her side, if not dive headfirst into the Hillary Kool-Aid pool. I worked on Barack Obama’s primary and general election campaign in 2008 and, during the primaries, I eventually learned not to wear my Obama buttons into gay bars. Inevitably, shouting matches would erupt from avid Hillary supporters, as if my not supporting Hillary in her time of need was tantamount to betrayal of the gay community. The facts were pretty clear; neither candidate was optimal for gay people – why were people getting so worked up?

Gay men can relate in that our genuine opinions and desires about everything from clothes to sex are often squelched in favor of some mainstream idea of acceptable gender roles. We often deepen our voices and loosen our clothes in straight-dominated settings and shy away from talking frankly about pop music or gay sex for fear of social isolation or even retribution.

Additionally, for not seeming to obsess over her looks and be pretty for every camera, Hillary is frequently “accused” of being a lesbian. Such statements are so filled with sexism and homophobia that I could write a book on it (and people have!). She has responded to these claims exactly how she should – by ignoring them.

Women and gay men alike admire her strength through such adversity. She has never demeaned herself by acknowledging the dirty insults and is always smart when she addresses her opponents – even if they’re stupid. To her ability, she does not allow sexism to detract from her success and it probably even motivates her to be stronger on behalf of all women. As she chips away at the glass ceiling, gay men will probably always be her most loyal allies, knowing that our ceiling (stained glass?) is the next one up.

Gays have got her back, as right now she’s culturally the closest thing to a gay man who’s ever lived in the White House (closet-case presidents notwithstanding). And as she inches closer to moving back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I’m pretty keen on the idea of a diva as President.>

http://thoughtcatalog.com/tom-bellino/2013/06/hillary-clintons-gay-fanbase-political-ally-or-diva-worship/

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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Uh, that's not what is being said at all. What is being said is that when she is said to be a
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

lesbian or bisexual person she does not 'correct' them, she pays no attention to the attempt to characterize 'gay' as bad and her as gay.
Compare this to candidate Obama when Biden mentioned that they'd gotten HIV tests in Kenya:
"I just got to make clear, I got tested with Michelle, when we were in Kenya in Africa. I don't want any confusion here about what's going on. I was tested with my wife, in public."

'Got to make clear that I have a wife, get it, a wife who is woman who was with me being my wife'

Things like this really make a difference, and some straight people do not understand this. I prefer Bernie's record but Hillary gets respect for many things over many years.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
2. Hillary seems popular with most of my gay facebook friends.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:36 AM
Jun 2015

I am friends with or follow several of the major, known gay bloggers on facebook and they all support Hillary, I wouldn't call it cultlike though. I have also seen the same people show the same support for Obama as well. I am more of a far left person and critic of the moderate/conservative DEMS like Hillary and Obama and currently support Bernie!

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
4. Hillary is iconic in the gay community
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

I don't much care for her, but I won't deny that she is a figure of admiration among many LGBTers. Part of it is that the LGBT community has a thing for strong women. We identify with them. We see people who have had to put up with a lot of shit, who persevered, and made their tormenters regret it.

You cannot look at the Hillary Clinton who emerged on the national stage in 1992 and not see the elements at play. She was hounded by the Right, and she just kept on keeping on. It's an admirable quality in her, and many LGBTers empathized and sympathized, because they were dealing with exactly the same thing. There's an attachment to her, because her rise on the national stage as the Right went vicious somewhat mirrored our own.

That said.

I think you'll see an age separation here. In my experience, I've found a lot of older LGBTers are very much into her, because of those things mentioned both in the article and above. But younger ones don't feel the same affinity. They grew up in a different world. They came of age in a time where gay marriage was possible, achievable, and they saw Secretary Clinton denying them out of political expediency. Most major LGBT blogs tend to be manned by older folks, from the previous era, and a lot of the time I find their politics reflect that.

But that affection wasn't really handed down to the millenial LGBTers.

She has never been our champion. She'll help where and when she can, but she won't stick her neck out for us. Never has, never will. Only if it's safe. And I think a lot of younger LGBTers have perceived that about her. She certainly made it known from 2008 on that she wasn't going to go to the mat for us.

So, there's this generational divide. The people who still hold for a 90s Hillary, who put up with all that shit, and a 2000s Hillary who denied us because it was good for her to do so.

I have friends who are Clinton and Sanders in their support. More Sanders in my circles, but my social circle tends to be 35 y/o and younger. It will be interesting to see, if we get the polling, how it all ultimately breaks down. I'd love a poll that shows LGBT support around January of next year, broken down by age group. I think it would be interesting.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
5. excellent post. I am gay, older and don't care for her. at all.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jun 2015

Lady Miss Kier (Kier Kerby) of Deeelite fame , a popular figure in local gay NYC nightlife has been posting on facebook her support of Bernie, I commented postively about him and negatively about Hillary one thread of hers yesterday and got quite a few likes on my comment I didn't pay attention to what exact demograph was liking my comment though. I was expecting nasty feedback, like when Lady Bunny posts negative Hillary comments on her facebook, the Hillary fans lash back.

Joe Jervis of Joe My God blog and Michelangelo Signorile of activism etc fame who both attend the insider DC DEM functions, correspondant dinners etc and take proud selfies from them and are older and white are very pro Hillary. I know Signorile uses the "she's the only one who can one, and supreme court justice nominees blah blah" reasoning. seems like people support her out of desperation for a certain victory more than her positions on the issue.


 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
6. The older white gay demographic is definitely for her
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

There's no denying it. The more Establishment the gays, the more support for Hillary one will find.

I admit, I read gay blogs only sparingly. As you said, they tend to be run by the Joe Jervises and Michaelangelo's of the LGBT world. They are so obviously, preternaturally attached to a time that has passed, I just don't find them as relevant to today's LGBT experience. They have important viewpoints, and they offer solid reminders of where we've been and where we need to go, but they've calicified and gotten, I don't know, lazy. Resting on their pseudo-celebrity laurels by speaking applause lines.

And, of course, I never held truck with the cocktail crowd of the HRC era, where they excused the Obama administration until the actual, grassroots community threatened their very livelihoods.

Ask anyone under 30 who Signorile or Jervis is, and you're liable to get some very slow blinking.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
7. another thing i have noticed with the Jervis/Signorile etc crowd while "following" them
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

politically they only seem to cover gay issues, not a word about *anything else* it seems. I have no idea what they think of TPP or climate change.

I agree with all your comments.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
8. They're very insulated people
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

They're what I call gay hermits. They exist almost solely within the gay world. Fortunately, that species is getting rarer as acceptance spreads across the country. Nowadays, you'll see the younger set with a mixture of gay and straight in their social groups. The need for the gay cocoon is diminished.

I used to read Jervis years ago and actually know him slightly. He lives entirely in a world of gay men and club events.

He's no longer reflective of who we are.

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