2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf HRC's supporters are so sure she's got it locked up...
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...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that she's got it locked up?...
And why are the so seemingly fixated with trying to force Bernie out of the race before the primaries when, if she does have t locked up, there would be no actual reason to do and no actual good would come of Bernie not being in the race?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I have yet to see one of them "try to force Bernie out"...
retrowire
(10,345 posts)one mention of something like "Bernie can't win"?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But that isn't "forcing someone out" and to pretend it is, is bull.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)on Facebook and elsewhere, making comments to the effect that
Bernie shouldn't even be running.... to the point that it's pissing me off.
Of course they can't actually "force someone out",
but they are doing their best to demoralize his supporters.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'm sure the other side feels exactly the same. But as you said no one is forcing any one out.
MJkcj
(242 posts)I don't see anyone trying "to force Bernie out"
There are lots of Bernie supporters, on facebook and elsewhere, and even here in DU that are "doing their best to demoralize" the Hillary supporters. So there is that.
I personally have liked Bernie a lot and don't bash him. I just happen to think Hillary is the better candidate and I choose to support her in the primary. May the best man or woman win. And then I will support the Democratic nominee in the general. Meanwhile I see Bernie supporters say - on DU and elsewhere - that if Bernie doesn't win they would rather write in his name on the general election than vote for Hillary.
I don't bash Bernie, but a lot of his supporters are "pissing me off"
John Poet
(2,510 posts)about not voting for the nominee.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Compared to the mountain of shit you pour on Hillary supporters EVERY FREEKING DAY. Are you not claiming that Hillary cannot win? Is that considered trying to FORCE Hillary from the race? This has gotten pathetic.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I had no doubt the Golden State Warriors would dispatch of the Cleveland Cavaliers and I wasn't shy about sharing my lack of doubt with anybody that would listen.
That doesn't mean I wanted the Cavaliers out of the Finals or NBA.
sheshe2
(84,070 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Not so much with the race. If she ignores Bernie, she looks aloof and entitled. If she challenges or attacks him, she looks worried and desperate. If she co-opts his language and positions, she looks opportunistic.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's pretty easy to do when you change direction so often.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)have any scheduled debates yet. She's trying to run out the clock, with the help of the DNC, of course. I sure am glad they're staying out of it until the voters decide who the Democratic candidate is going to be.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Just IMHO.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Care to provide some examples?
msongs
(67,502 posts)race. mere words do not meet that description. so what else is being done in the secret space I don't know about?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)"he can't win" is the same as giving him a losers trophy as the race begins.
that's attempting to get him out of the race.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)RichVRichV
(885 posts)It's called poisoning the well. Keep repeating something long enough and people will start believing it and not take his candidacy seriously. It's a concerted attack to try and kill his candidacy before it gains steam.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Seriously it's their vote, if they are that easily influenced then that's on them.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)since it's the fault of the dupes that watch it that they lie constantly.
A lie is a lie no matter how many or few fall for it. Doesn't make the lie right. Democrats should be better than that. We fight with facts and truth. We shouldn't need to resort to lies and smears.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)don't make the same exact claim hundreds of times a day on this site? Seriously?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)It saves HRC'S cash and prevents unnecessary bruising that would result in fodder for the clown that wins the nomination. So whilst we wish HRC was unopposed, we aren't trying to "force" anyone out.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and after all, she's got the Wall $t. moneyed Titans in tow for $2 Billion+
not a very convincing argument in my moral Universe, but it apparently
has some traction with some.
Man of Distinction
(109 posts)for less exposure to Bernie, hoping that Bernie berns out, but he will never berned out - he didn't bern out 40 years ago, he won't bern out today. Clinton is in very serious trouble, and highly recommend to her that she step aside due to her Third Way status, and widely rejected by military veterans for her IWR vote, widely rejected by many progressives and disaffected voters who sees Clinton as the status quo, no difference between other Republicans and Democrats, again, due to her Third Way status.
Bernie can and will unify Americans together to work as one. M$M needs to knock off the entertainment shit and start getting serious about giving voters proper educations for each candidate, even the clowns on the R side, to demonstrate who's the best choice...
Answer will be Bernie EVERY time.
They keep on dismissing Bernie, and believe me, polls don't matter, because it's massively undersampled, and pollsters are just mailing it in for Clinton.
Sorry, I'm upset right now with the Establishment, and I'm considering resigning my Democratic Party membership if Clinton is the candidate at the end. Why do PEOPLE WANT THE SAME FUCKING BULLSHIT FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS that has resulted in doing absolutely nothing but killing the middle class and shifting to the right, and giving us "trickle down" (in other words, pissing on us) economy. It hasn't worked for us, and we need ACTUAL change, and I do believe Bernie can bring the noise.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)brooklynite
(95,006 posts)The schedule of DNC debates was announced a while back:
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/
What evidence do you have that anything has changed?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Every single one of them has an * next to it.
Helluva try though.
brooklynite
(95,006 posts)...what evidence do you have that any of the "tentative" dates have changed?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Willing to bet that there isn't a debate in August, contrary to what's "tentatively" scheduled?
okasha
(11,573 posts)to the Baptist revivals of my pre-teens. I have this irresistible urge to break into "Just As I Am."
Your assertions are based on blind faith. I have seen no evidence to support any of them. So no, I won't be coming to Jesus, er, Bernie, anytime soon, nor will other Hillary supporters.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)some evidence for the claim that WS is intending to delay the debates. Where is it?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)20 days from August 1st and NO information on WHEN in August a debate is scheduled?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Just helping out us Proles.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)brooklynite
(95,006 posts)...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that he's going to beat HRC?
This is a political blog. We talk about politics.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...he gains 2% ~ 3% on her in the polls.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"Bernie's the better candidate, but I'm voting for Hillary".
Need they say more?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't see ANYONE here fixated on forcing Bernie out of the race. The Bernie supporters are starting to really get on my nerves with this kind of bullshit.
Omaha Steve
(99,878 posts)You will come to love us Bernie group D's I'm sure.
I've posted several times IF she gets the nomination I'll support, work for, and donate time and $. Some things going on behind the curtain on DU are making that harder to say. Win the battle lose the war?
OS
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Always loved yous kids!
Hey, love the profile pic. Did you read about the Waldo tunnel in Marin is going to be named after Robin?
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leftynyc
(26,060 posts)vote for the Democratic nominee and scorn those who throw hissy fits if their candidate doesn't win. Just as I did when Pres Obama beat out Hillary in 2008. I came immediately on board.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Host consensus is that this is disruptive meta-discussion, which is forbidden in this forum.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)that he's a shoe-in?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)...why are they so obsessed with repeatedly announcing that he's got it locked up?...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251430954
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)They will be so fun to look back on at some point next winter.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)...just a serious question...
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)knows damn well he is a threat. He doesn't have name recognition yet. He's getting there, slowly but surely. Hell, my GOP friends are noticing him now. Awesome!!! He's a smart man. Once his mind was made up to run, he knew it was an uphill battle. But he started early enough because he knows name recognition was going to be his biggest hurdle. Give it time. The HRC camp knows damn well how popular he has become since announcing, and believe me, they are freaking out. No one has brought in crowds like him. No one has jumped from 2% to 30% approval in such a short time.
No one is like BERNIE SANDERS. NO ONE!!!
n2doc
(47,953 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)I don't think she does.
So, I ask a question to Bernie supporters (and I know I'm as risk of being reported) ... why is it that on ANY pro-Hillary thread the Bernie folks have to come in and shit on it?
I sure as hell won't piss on anything thread for Bernie.
Thanks so much in advance for y'all's replies.
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gwheezie
(3,580 posts)That could change. Hillary isn't a sure thing and neither is Bernie. I don't see anyone trying to force the other out. I'm glad Hillary has people to run against. It will make her a better GE candidate and if she isn't,she won't be nominated. I trust dems are going to pick the best person to keep the WH.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Like your Shirley Chisholm quote, btw. In hindsight, we should have nominated her for president in '72. She'd have done no worse than McGovern and might well have done better.
When we do have a female president(be it in '16 or some other year, because it will happen at some point relatively soon)it should be someone who really carries on the spirit of Shirle Chisholm or Bella Abzug...both of whom were among my political heroes in the Seventies.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm not going to get angry. I supported Hillary in 08 by a smidge more than Obama so when Obama won I was happy and when I watched the Obama 08 campaign I thought he was the better pick. The right thing happened.
There are several dems I'd prefer over Hillary or Bernie or OMalley but they aren't running, so I have to stick to who is. Me, if Barbara Lee was on the ticket, I'd be thrilled.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She'd be my dream presidential candidate, truth be told.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Senator Sanders to withdraw. If you have, perhaps you could post a link. It's pretty typical for supporters of a candidate to believe that candidate will win. Many Sanders supporters have said just that. Why should supporters not support their candidate?