2016 Postmortem
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I must admit that at one time I was resigned to supporting Hillary Clinton for president. The thought of her defeating Jeb Bush or Donald Trump was enough for me to support her center right politics. After all she is better then the entire GOP list of candidates.
Then my wife stepped in. She was sick and tired of voting out of fear. She didn't want to vote for the lesser of two evils. She was determined to vote for someone that represented us.
So we looked into Bernie Sanders. Now I've always liked and admired Bernie Sanders, but I didn't think of him as Presidential.
But the Bernie Sanders platform matched most of my political stances. I could enthusiastically support the platform. And that is what we have decided to do.
I am going to have some fun supporting the politics of the left. I am going to have some fun opposing politics as usual. I am going to have some fun advocating what I believe in.
We may not win, but I am satisfied that the Bernie Sanders platform is out of the closet and trying to make it into the mainstream consciousness.
At least I'm going to enjoy the ride and be true to myself.
The left may be very unpopular in America. Time alone, time will tell. The platform is Built To Last. It may not always be unpopular. Perhaps huge crowds will someday gather to support the platform. I know that I am going to have some fun supporting what I have always believed in.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Be sure to find a meetup near you for the 29th!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)otherone
(973 posts)The Dem nominee will surely get my electoral vote no doubt.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Also, Hillary isn't center right. Here's her voting record:
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Of course, this is from '08; it will be interesting to see how her position changes when it's updated for '16.
George II
(67,782 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)having said that I can't stress enough what much I hate these questions.
1-their are intrusive, how some one votes is a personal decision, and should be respected.
2-the implication often seems to be that you will be only given certain choses. And that feels a little undemocratic to me.
George II
(67,782 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Not going to happen, I'm a natural busy-body.
George II
(67,782 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)First question was not directed at me. But mine was obviously in response to the first, right?
But why worry about that? I don't like the question, you seem OK with it. I can live with that, it just means that occasionally if you use this question, you will field responses like mine. And is that so bad?
George II
(67,782 posts)My question wasn't directed to you, but you felt the need to ask me (and I responded civilly) but refuse to answer the very same question you asked of me.
If you don't like the question, that's fair, but why then did you use it yourself directed toward me?
Are you here just to argue?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)'Do I like being asked this question? Hum, if I don't, should I be asking some the same question?'
Your responses leave me hopeful.
George II
(67,782 posts)...my support of candidates that have similar positions. As you can see, I immediately answered that question for you.
Now can you afford me that same courtesy?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)not an ongoing conversation.
And when have I not given the same courtesy? I know several posters that I respect who are in Hillary's camp, we agree on many other subjects, just not that one. If you're willing to truly discuss issues you will always find areas of disagreement, these are opportunities not problems. You have a great day.
JI7
(89,289 posts)About who you are going to support ?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)to get what information you can, before making a decision?
JI7
(89,289 posts)After you posted on a political forum about what you personally are going to do.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)will be put in the worst possible light? Must be my imagination. But on to the question.
I answered a question, isn't it rude to not answer questions? Then I explained why I had jumped into the conversation, is it bad to explain your acts? You will also notice that I made my answer as open end as I could.
Now if you disagree with why I dislike that kind of question, please feel free to tell me why. But it will take me awhile to response, life is calling and I must answer.
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)looks like it will beat Hillary, and certainly will 'tar and feather' him all the way to the general election.
But for once that may not work. Americans are getting fed up with the game being stacked against us. Like many, I'm dead tired of stupid wars that keep going on and on, domestic spying, and the war on drugs. I'm really tired of having to fight privatization of things like prisons and the postal service. I'm thoroughly sick of watching my income never be quite enough, and getting nickel and dimed at every turn by the relentless quest for profits. It makes me want to vomit when I consider the huge debtload our children and grandchildren will have to start with if they have the temerity to get higher education. It isn't fair when they are talking in Washington about privatizing or at least reducing Social Security, because I've paid in 'full-boat' for 40 years and my benefits keep shrinking. I hate seeing the government allow flattening of pensions or downright theft of them.
So many things...
And Bernie's taking this message into ALL states, red, purple and blue. No wonder he's filling arenas in places like Texas.
Americans are ignorant from the constant bullshit barrage of 'news' from talk radio and Fox, so they don't know, at least right now, that they actually AGREE with Bernie. Because, hey, all you need to do is hear the guy.
This nation is ripe for a populist revolt. Maybe with Bernie, there can be a REAL DEAL instead of a RAW DEAL. He's the best candidate we've seen in half a century.
There's just one thing: if we elect Bernie POTUS and then just back off and hope he does the job, the job will only be halfway done. We're gonna have to work for a change as a people; keep informed, and hold our elected officials accountable for their actions.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I totally agree ... Go Bernie ! ....
I have also been thinking about the congressional races ... Would it be possible to use this election season as the springboard to a sea change in congress ? .... We have Sen Ron Wyden, US Rep's Earl Blumenour, and Susan Bonamici, two of whom I have voted for more than once ... ALL of them voted FOR TPA, which ran completely counter to the prevailing opinions of their own constituents ...
It might be time to promote a more liberal wing of this party, and push hard, even now, to bring like minded candidates against those dems who would sell us out for filthy lucre ....
A pipe dream, perhaps, but we NEED to change congress to actually change laws ... Liberal Progressive Democrats need to join with Bernie, and use his coattails, if he has any, to begin the process of overturning the most idiotic congressional caucus ever known ...
This could be the match to light the fire (metaphorically speaking - I am a non violent pacifist) and ignite the change we need across the board .... yes, I'm thinking big here, but this movement could grow large, given that a large population of the electorate now recognize their own sorry fate tied into the choices made this season ...
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)who also voted for TPA.
Unfortunately, there's no one here now to 'primary' him from the left.
However, he's an empty suit, otherwise known as a wind sock. When he senses which way the wind blows, and faces massive pressure from Coloradans to support Bernie's agenda then he'll turn around.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Roll up your sleeves and hang on to your hats. Definitely going to be a fun ride. There's a lot of stuff that we can do.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... this is for real.
Don't believe for one second the crap fed to you by the bought and paid for media liars.
We the People are this Nation and we've decided to prove it.
Get to a Bernie Event July 29th, you'll come away with a better view of the world and how WE are going to take it back.
Feel the Bern
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)The election of Bernie could start a wave to get the House and Senate cleaned out of all the do nothings and just plain bad for the people Representatives and Senators.
I understand how your wife feels and have been done with voting for the lesser of two evils for a long time. I always vote for the best candidate available regardless of party. Sadly that hasn't been a Republican in over 30 years nor a Democrat for close to 20 years. It is just sad the state the two major parties have reached.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the Clintons can only go "she's opposed X, Y, and Z BUT if we just pretend like she does maybe she'll come around!" their scenarios are all hypothetical
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Just really put a smile on my face! Well-said!
demmiblue
(36,918 posts)Very refreshing, isn't it?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I am attracted to the Bernie campaign for the same reasons ..
After YEARS and YEARS of milquetoast, half Democrat-half republican candidates, we FINALLY have someone who speaks like I do ...
I am not going to give in to the watered down partial Democrats any longer ...
Full Bore Bernie ... It's a whole new world ...
Right there with ya .... Hillary is going to have to wait ...
Even if he doesn't win - This is just the beginning ...
otherone
(973 posts)I too believe that this is just the beginning..