But I think it unfortunately writes black agency out of the matter. While they might have put forward that attack; the truth is that many black Activists, including those of Black Lives Matter, have found some validity to the complaint.

Bryant

Here's proof - this doesn't have grass roots or "black agency". It's right out of the malicious conservative Echo Chamber that produced the Swift Boaters.

And I don't necessarily think that's the case.

Bryant

Like the Swift Boat meme, it devourers all who stay in its path.

eom

I would never say that you don't have free agency, and I wouldn't say that about anyone else either - and certainly not a wide-ranging twitter based movement like #blacklivesmatter which exists because people are responding to a real problem.

The meme that you've been promoting, that Bernie Sanders is the tone deaf paternalistic condescending (almost)racist, has legs and there's blood in the water, and you're in your glory.

I do think that you're coopting #blacklivesmatter for partisan purposes. I think that this partisan coopting of the message to attack Bernie Sanders, particularly of all politicians, is orchestrated. For saying that, I'll be accused of being a racist for whom black lives don't matter, for whom the problem doesn't matter - I'll be accused of all manner of nasty things. But you know what, at this point I don't care - because I don't think the accusers are honest, I think they're putting on a highly partisan show and that they're trying their damnedest (and succeeding) in inflaming, rather than discussing. The OP shows that certain "pundits" were on the ball on this meme from the get-go as well. That doesn't surprise me. I think those pundits have free agency as well.

Six BLM Protestors were arrested in Alabama for protesting the death of another African American in custody:



HOMEWOOD, Ala. (WIAT) – Six people were arrested after around a dozen Black Lives Matter protesters gathered outside the Homewood Police Department at 7:00 a.m. Tuesday to protest the death of Kindra Chapman. The protesters chanted that they want answers explaining how Chapman died in her jail cell on July 14.

According to a press release from the Homewood Police Department, the group moved into the intersection of Highway 31 and 29th Avenue South, blocking two lanes of south-bound traffic.

http://wiat.com/2015/07/21/six-arrested-at-black-lives-matter-protest-outside-homewood-police-department


What does African Americans giving voice to their pain and petitioning for redress of their grievances have to do with undermining this candidate or that candidate?

Black Lives Matter is no less an organic movement than the NAACP, SNCC. the Black Panthers, the Urban League, et ceteradespite their ideological differences, and to suggest they aren't doesn't make a lot of sense.

Read your own posts over the past 2 months. Don't try to play innocent.

Is your response REALLY going to amount to nothing more than suggesting that I don't think black lives matter? That I don't think this is a real issue that's WAY past it's due date? Because that's not what I said, DemocratSinceBirth.

Folks are conflating two separate issues; the lack of Success of Senator Sanders to gain traction in minority communities and the genesis of Black Lives Matter. There isn't a scintilla of evidence they aren't an organic civil rights group, just like every civil rights group that preceded it, regardless of their approach and ideological stance.

Some folks, not you, are suggesting they are GOP plants. Do folks realize how insulting that sounds?

And it's been your go-to meme for the past 2 months.

Fact is that Sanders was a relative unknown (part of the progressive backwater) across the board before deciding to run.
It's YOU that focus on a "lack of traction in minority communities" meme, starting right out by blaming him for the demographics of Vermont, for the optics of crowd pics, etc. And never stopping for a minute. So even the so-called "failure to gain traction in minority communities" is just your highly partisan meme, and now you're deliberately conflating that into a "Bernie doesn't care" zone, using the NN15 #blacklivesmatter protest as launching board.

Bernie Sanders has failed to gain traction in the minority community. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one. Black Lives Matter is an organic group. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

And nobody is suggesting or at least not a lot of people are suggesting Senator Sanders doesn't care about black people. That's a convenient straw man.

Poll after poll after poll says that. Whatever the reason, it's true.

I personally think Sanders cares a great deal about the minority communities based on his long standing support for economic inequality and things like marching in the Civil Rights Movement. But to say that it's just a meme that he hasn't been able to translate that into electoral support from minorities to minimize the impact that has on his odds of getting the nomination.

I don't blame Sanders for the demographics of Vermont, or even the demographics of his rallies as the latter is just reflective of his polling. He's most popular among white liberals. Shockingly that is who by in large turns out at his rallies.

(whether that's locals, the FBI, or whomever). We've seen this before in movement politics.

So they will need to vet all internal suggestions about strategies and tactics accordingly. It's a sign of the group's burgeoning success in getting these issues into the national dialogue. When that happens, the other side axiomatically pushes back, often in clandestine ways.

Saw exactly this playbook used in environmental and anti-nuke groups in the 80's, when they were gaining ground under Reagan....

it.

Excellent. Recommended.

Gutierrez's ridiculous remark about not knowing whether Sanders liked immigrants helped to inspire media idiots like Joan Walsh to jump on the bandwagon. And once Sanders' supporters started to defend his record on race, it was easy for people to then attack them for being insensitive to the concerns being raised.

I also think that some legitimately questioned whether Sanders was giving enough attention to certain issues of race. Immigration issues are hugely important to me, and so early on I naturally wanted to hear a bit more about them. I also felt that all of the candidates were not talking enough about investing in poor urban neighborhoods and otherwise fighting for racial equality in educational and economic opportunity. I certainly have no problem with advising Sanders to focus more on issues of race, and Sanders has recently been talking more about those issues. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he is by far the best candidate on the race issues. (I think O'Malley has been terrific on immigration issues.)

I am sad that many at DU have been participating in the swiftboating of Sanders. I hope it fails, but politics is an irrational beast that can easily chew up a good candidate.

Guittierez played his part in this on June 11 when he appeared on the glasses and suspenders guy show, who coaxed Luis through it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/244696-house-dem-im-not-sure-bernie-sanders-likes-immigrants

Even the WaPo is amplifying this now. But, origins are important to understanding the trajectory.

Bernie is a STRONG candidate and his campaign will not be broken that easily.

He knows or will quickly learn what to do.

Do you recall this level of organized concern trolling in 2004 and 2008? I don't. Somebody has a lot of resources to throw into the game this time.

A Super-PAC can spend their money on pretty much anything.

Usually it's just from a smaller amount of agitators or suspects. It's the power of money no doubt.

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Expected from scum like them, but to see it amplified by Democrats is tragic.

Crickets.

Conspicuously absent from this thread.

Thanks for the research Mark!

of days others have been trying to tell any one who accuses #blacklivesmatter of A. Being stooges for someone else or B.Being too stupid to realize they're being stooges for someone else, is being horribly ignorant. It's been pointed out over and over again and some are obviously never going to understand why these accusations are cringeworthy nonsense.

I'll help you.

And so ... how did the RW orchestrate this "attack" by BLM on Obama, which occurred more than two months before the date you select as the starting point?

More than 2 months before the date you selected, BLM was already protesting Democratic leaders.

So clearly its a conspiracy. A conspiracy with a time machine.

Please go back and review the OP. I said this, and only this: we can trace the slanderous, inaccurate meme -- Sanders doesn't care enough about minorities -- back to the columns of May 27 posted in two Conservative Echo Chamber publications by two well-known, established RW ideologists. I said nothing about the genesis of BLM. I also said that BLM may not even be aware of the origins of the meme - that's in paragraph 1, in case you need an EZ readers map.

Repeat after me: Reading comprehension is important. Reading comprehension is important. Reading comprehension is important.

Hell, if I want to, I can find some RW source that says almost anything about any Dem candidate. And for all you know, the RW authors you found saw the folks who heckled Obama and thought, "Hey, that's a neat idea, lets go after Bernie."

And there's the problem you have.

You have developed a conspiracy theory, and then sought out some confirmation in the RW, and then *GASP* found some. Of course your theory ignores the fact that O'Malley took just as much heat as Bernie did and no one wrote about him.

And you've done all this in an effort to dismiss the some very real concerns that African Americans are raising. Rather than listen to them, you've come up with a convenient way to ignore them.

Great plan.

If Bernie adopts it, his numbers with the AA community will definitely soar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026614014

Check the date on that OP ... the issue of social justice verses economic justice, and Bernie's focus on only one, being discussed on DU well before the article you reference.

Oops, Bernie Goldberg is yet another Fox News guy.


Looks like we're still headed in the right direction to find the origins of the meme.

I posted an actual DU thread (there are many others if you look) on this topic that predate your "birth of a conspiracy" date.

I just posted this a few minutes ago ... not that I think you will get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=467989

As I explained to you above, the OP is about the genesis of a political smear against Bernie and (more generally) against progressive Democrats. The Goldberg piece from last year I just posted upthread was his twisted critique about "elite liberal racism" in the media response to Ferguson.

Goldberg is a Fox News contributor. He was out to make a propaganda point that Rev. Al and "elite liberals" don't really care about the deaths of young AAs and really get some kind of kick out of it. He calls that "elite liberal racism." I call that twisted viewpoint racist. Goldberg expresses an embryonic version of the same racist RW meme, progressives "doesn't really care about minorities", pre-Bernie Sanders.

Whatever you're talking about isn't really on the same topic.

I've seen people say that his focus on economic inequality does not address social justice, and can be perceived as a replacement for it.

Given what I see people post about Obama and Hillary, Bernie is miles and miles from being smeared. The worst that is happening, is he is being pressured to state the distinction between these two topics clearly. I suspect each of the Dem candidate will be pressured to do so.

Given his record, he should be able to make some straightforward adjustments, and be fine.

Goldberg is a racist ass. That's obvious.

But having said that, from what I'm seeing, there is a blind spot on the left.

Bernie gets heckled once, and some of his supporters lose their minds.

When some one calls Bernie a "Fucking used car salesman", or a "whore", and lots and lots of folks defend that, then we can discuss him being smeared or attacked unfairly.

... my point simply is that this particular concern was already out there, before the date the OP picks as they date on which the conspiracy begins.

And it doesn't take long to find the same concern being raised with regard to how Bernie frames things, right here on DU, in posts that predate the OP's referenced date.

The former group are making themselves obnoxiously obvious. Mostly, just plain obnoxious.

Bernie Sanders.

It infantalizes an entire race of people. (SIGH)

Why are they ignoring her?

Then they'll regret what they're doing.

Either you believe Patrisse Cullors is either sincere or a pawn.

Disrupting the debates doesn't hurt the one who wants as few as possible and running the most hands off scripted campaign in my recollection.

If the heat gets turned on those with the real juice in a way that turns up the heat in their kitchen then square deal, nothing but respect but if the hands off to token pressure with weak ass passes and excuses goes on then I don't give a fuck what the intentions were, I'm going to know it was an effort against my best interests and no I don't think anybody was to worried about my life mattering so much after all.

I have gotten about 17,000,000 angry posts and messages from supporters of a certain candidate in the past few days. I refuse to lose respect for you by having a nasty exchange right now.

When a group of people attack my people, people fighting for my right to live, good black women who work their asses off and say all types of racist crap, I cannot just sit there and go along to get along and worry about my pocketbook.

Been getting called a pawn and a useful idiot is not conducive to making me receptive towards their candidate at all. They post shit like this all day:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026995434#post34

Not having that. Nope.

So, if you have something to say, come at me as an equal, do not set trip to defend your candidate. I have been dealing with it all weekend, so no.

and I'd like to know what bullet exemption I might have, I've had the pistol pointed at my head at point blank range when a sneeze could end it all.
I might be on the fairer side but ain't been missed my DWB and WWB quotas, every time an opportunity for something to go way wrong real quick or find my way in the maw of the system with no lifeline out but my life still matters after the pig holsters his pistol too.

Money? Money is power, the entire society is structured around it. Shit, you better have some to at least try to buy you some justice and some nice conservative threads when you have to appear if they try to suck you in. You better be able to get out and into that suit rather than be brought in chained in orange bare minimum or the odds will definitely not be in your favor but you better have a residence, some kind of decent job, and a respectable mouthpiece or you are probably fucked especially as a black man.

Who are all of these powerful and influential destitute people living long reasonably happy lives able to give the children better?

Look at the influence on and outright capture of government which filters down to the schools, healthcare, private prisons, resource allocation. How many suffer and die here and around the world as a result?
Yeah, money matters. It isn't always the only factor and no doubt the black of the skin will be seen before the green in the wallet but it always improves the odds including limiting encounters and coming out of them free and whole when you have them.

That said, the matter is critical and when the establishment is thrown really into the fire then I'll be inclined to believe it is being taken seriously.

The article that keeps getting posted every other day that claims leftists are getting their anti Hillary stuff from the right is equally as repugnant!

"How Those Anti-Hillary Lefties Are Being Trolled By The Right"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464650

Because it sickens me.

sporting an Obama bumper sticker and one of those christian fushy things on the window. People are fucked up. Gotta laugh. Fuck em girl. Can't bring me down.

to survive in this country. My privilege is such that I don't see it except when I read shit like this, and it makes me especially sick that they pretend there is something leftist about it.

This nation is just sick. Will be for a long time. Look at how we were founded! No chance really for anything much better with this history.

all this hearkening back to bygone eras wasn't inadvertent.

I imagine they see themselves as those suave, brave, noble Cavaliers from 'Gone With The Wind'. I wish I had a time machine and could send them there, where they'll be comfortable.

Lol! Look:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027005051#post4

And this doesn't fit anywhere else, but Byron York looks like a goon.

Led by activists who work to see that government officials take seriously the epidemic of violence against African Americans. They predate the episode in Netroots and they predate May 27. They have been active since Ferguson. Dressing up your determination to silence large portions of the American public in the guise of some critique of right-wing media is far from convincing. Black Lives Matter are not the ones advancing the idea that the people have no right to question their elected officials. They are not the ones advancing the notion that only people like you deserve a say in democracy.

The only thing right-wing is the continual dismissal of leftist activists and insults to black members of this site who have the audacity to speak about their concerns are like Lee Atwater. Your post is shameful. You have already had two posts hidden for your reverse racism insults to African American members on this site, calling them "Lee Atwater" because they have the nerve to speak on this site about issues they care about.


It is inconceivable to me that you can actually think you are helping Sanders with this bullshit. You want to pretend anyone who questions an elected representative is a right-wing plant. What version of leftism works to discredit social activism? What version of leftism seeks to muzzle the people in deference to a leader you would have treated more like a monarch than a candidate? What version of leftism insists only a small minority matter and that anyone but people exactly like you are right-wing plants? If anyone is responsible for any association with the Sanders candidacy and lack of concern for black people, it is people like you.

Your post is offensive and hateful. It is utterly shameful. With supporters like you, Sanders doesn't need detractors. His campaign risks an early death, and you have no one but yourselves to blame.

Who has been attacking Bernie and his DU supporters for many weeks now ...

Your 'concern' for the quality of your opponents supporters is noted ...

It's not like we have forgotten ...

Is there no principle at all? Is everything subsumed to promote a politician's career? How is it you all care about nothing but politicians? I can't care about leftist activism or equality because I am part of the 86% of the Democratic electorate who doesn't support Sanders? You can come up with every excuse in the world for why no one but yourselves matters, and it does your candidate and most of y'alls integrity no favors. No issue, no principle, no rights matter. Nothing. Argue that African Americans are right wing plants. But then. . . Perhaps it isn't a forsaking of principle at all. Perhaps it is simply that we are finally seeing who people have been all along. Whatever it is, it is not Democratic, democratic, liberal, leftist or progressive. Far from it.

#BlackLivesMatters.. and, speaking for myself.. way before I supported her.

Compelling post, Bains.. thank you.

that I don't even know where to begin. Thanks to you and bravenak for shining a light in some dark places.

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Michael Laray Dozer
Bakersfield, CA: Dozer was allegedly acting erratically at a gas station when he walked towards an officer. Finding him to appear "aggressive," the officer shot and killed him.

He was 26 years old.

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Baytown, TX: A woman called 911 to report that Gregoire had kicked in her back door, which may have been his own residence, and attacked her with a pole. He reportedly left and returned again. Deputy Bradley Hasley spotted Gregoire exiting the house and tasered him. Gregoire fell, reportedly removed the probes and then allegedly "charged" Bradley, who then tasered him again. When EMS arrived to treat the woman, Hasley says he noticed Gregoire appeared "unresponsive." He was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

He was 26 years old.

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George V. King
Baltimore, MD: King spent the night in the hospital for a reaction to dental work medication. After an unknown procedure, and possibly taking Keppra the next day, King allegedly became "agitated and combative" about not being immediately released. Two officers arrived and tasered King once while 5-10 hospital workers tried to secure him to a gurney. He resisted, was drive-stunned four times, and was given a sedative. He suffered a cardiac arrest, went into a coma and died 7-8 days later.

He was 19 years old.
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Dominique Franklin Jr.
Chicago, IL: Police pursued Franklin after suspecting him of robbing a store. They tasered him twice, causing him to fall headfirst into a streetlight. Franklin died several weeks later.

He was 23 years old.

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Emerson Clayton Jr.
Alexander City, AL: An officer responding to calls of a fight at a local restaurant found Clayton in his car and revving the engine. The officer fatally shot Clayton, and was later cleared of wrongdoing by a grand jury despite significant protests.

He was 21 years old.
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Rondre Lamar Hornbeak
Ardmore, OK: Police were called for a domestic assault. Hornbeak was arrested and was transported to jail. Upon arrival Hornbeak was unresponsive. Rondre’s passion for life was his family. He was an aide to them in every way possible.

He was 38 years old.
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Tommy Yancy
Imperial, CA: Five California Highway Patrolmen pulled Tommy over for a missing front license plate. They attacked him with a K9 unit, tasered him, and then beat him to death.

He was 32 years old.

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Barnesville, GA: An on-duty officer struck Justin Sullivan and Quentin Byrd as the two were crossing a highway around 1 a.m. The officer was treated for injuries at a nearby hospital.

Quentin was 21 years old.

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Yvette Smith
Bastrop, TX: Bastrop deputies responded to a 911 call regarding gunshots. Yvette was shot when coming out the door at the direction of the police. They may have believed she had a gun, though she did not. The Sheriff's department initially claimed that she was disregarding officer commands, but later retracted that statement. The officer has been indicted.

She was 47 years old.


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John H. Crawford III
Beavercreek, OH: Crawford was killed after police were called into a Wal-Mart for reports of a man walking through the store with a rifle. It wasn't a real gun but a BB gun from the store.

He was 22 years old.

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Tamir E. Rice
Cleveland, OH: Tamir was in a park playing with a BB gun. A caller reported that a male was point a pistol at random people, stating twice that the gun was "probably fake". Police pulled up within 10 feet from Tamir and shot him two seconds later in the abdomen. Neither officer administered first aid, instead arresting Tamir's sister who rushed to his aid. Tamir didn't receive first aid until four minutes later from a deputy who was nearby. He died soon after.

He was 12 years old.

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Tanisha Anderson
Cleveland, OH: Anderson suffered from schizophrenia, and officers agreed with the family that she should be taken to a medical center for evaluation. When officers cuffed Anderson and tried to place her inside their vehicle she allegedly resisted. Officers then tasered her and tackled her to the ground, forcing her head onto the ground. Anderson became unresponsive and was pronounced dead at the hospital.

She was 37 years old.

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Zikarious Flint
Columbus, GA: Campus police received reports that Flint was seen loading a gun. Officers responded and Flint fled on foot. Officers fatally shot him in the back and the back of the neck. Flint turned out to be unarmed.

He was 20 years old.

Charles Goodridge
Cypress, TX: Off-duty deputy constable Francisco Ruiz was working security for his apartment complex and encountered Goodridge, unarmed and walking on the property where he had lived for nine years until recently evicted. Ruiz says he attempted to arrest Goodridge for allegedly trespassing. Witness David Hall says that Goodridge pushed Ruiz away. The deputy says he chased him and there was a scuffle. He then shot Goodridge twice in the stomach.

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He was 53 years old.

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Christopher McCray
Fayetteville, NC: McCray ran into the road on the highway around 8pm and a trooper hit him with his car.

He was 17 years old.

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Juan May
Duncanville, TX: May was shot by an off-duty police sergeant after the two got in an argument and then a fight in the parking lot of a restaurant. The shooting is still under investigation, but the sergeant has returned to work.

He was 45 years old.

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Jacqueline Nichols
Flint, MI: An officer was in pursuit of a suspect when he ran a stop sign and collided with Nichols' vehicle, killing Nichols.

She was 64 years old.


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Methuen, MA: A 19-year-veteran of the local police was not only drunk during his head-on collision, unlicensed, with an open container and drunk-driving priors, but witnesses saw him trying to flee the scene, then he provided a false name to an investigator in another department. Paula died in the crash and his sister was seriously injured. The officer was charged with felony motor-vehicle homicide and lesser charges.

He was 26 years old.


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Vernicia Woodard
Hapeville, GA: Woodard was fatally shot multiple times by her former boyfriend, an Atlanta police officer named Tahreem Zeus Rana. After being caught trying to fly to Mexico, Rana faced charges of murder, kidnapping, and a charge of arson for setting Woodard's dead body on fire in an attempt to obscure evidence.

She was 26 years old.


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Cameron Tillman
Houma, LA: Police received call that armed individuals had entered an abandoned house. When they knocked on the door, Cameron Tillman, a high school freshman and talented athlete with a 3.7 grade point average opened the door and was shot four or five times. The local sheriff said Cameron came to the door with a gun in his hand, but that was later changed to say a BB gun was found "in close proximity" to his body. The teens say the BB gun was on the table.

Cameron was alive for at least 45 minutes, according to the family's lawyer. But the police offered no medical assistance. The investigation is ongoing, but two months on, the four other boys in the house say they still haven't been interviewed.

He was 14 years old.

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Jordan Baker
Houston, TX: An officer saw Baker riding his bike through Northwest Houston strip mall parking lot and looking into local businesses. Mistaking him for a robber, the officer approached Jordan and asked to see his identification. Jordan allegedly 'scuffled' with the officer and ran away. The officer chased Jordan, cornered him in an alley and then shot and killed him claiming Jordan had charged at him. "Jordan does everything for his son. His son is his life," his mother said after his death. The officer was later cleared of all wrongdoing by a grand jury.

He was 26 years old.

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David Andre Scott
Jacksonville, FL: David was shot 21 times after he came out of an apartment building holding what SWAT team members thought was a gun. Officers say the object David Scott was holding was actually a box stuffed in a black sock.

He was 28 years old.

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Latandra Ellington
Ocala, FL: Latandra Ellington, an inmate at the time, turned up dead 10 days after writing a letter to her aunt that detailed how a Lowell corrections officer — she knew him only as “Sgt. Q” — had repeatedly threatened to beat and kill her.

She was 36 years old.


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Rumain Brisbon
Phoenix, AZ: Police looking for a burglary suspect approached Brisbon, who fled on foot. When caught, Brisbon reached into his pocket. Believing Brisbon to possess a gun in his pocket, the officer fired two shots. The item in Brisbon's pocket turned out to be a bottle of pills.

He was 34 years old.

And many, many more.
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Black men and women aren't memes.

Much needed perspective.

The photos you posted are of victims of the right wing.

The meme begun by the right wing is that Bernie doesn't get it.

And it isn't necessarily the RW, it's the monied wing, that is trying to rule Americal as an illegitimate government, which has been captured by monied interests and no longer even tries to represent the will of its constitutents.

With this illegitimacy comes a growing police state to keep the a lid on things. Both parties are captured by these forces, Sanders not so much. It's a pity people can't figure this out.

POsts like the one you respoded to imply that we don't care about the people killed by the police state. Nothing could be further from the truth, which is why this whole false meme is so abhorrent, and so tragically misplaced.

Right-wing swift boaters that abused them.

This RW racist campaign against Sanders is just evil.

It needn't be overt, just a good push on a boulder and it starts rolling fast. Few look for the pusher, but that's where the onus lies.

Is being carried out by you and those who call the Black Lives Matters movement "evil" and treat it with derision.

We are to believe you think them evil because they staged a protest in the presence of Sanders, someone you believe should not be challenged or questioned by the people he seeks to represent. This kind of response can only drive away voters, and it is inconceivable to me that you don't understand that.

Apparently the lesson taken from 2008 is that you need to lie bigger.

The meme is that Bernie Sanders is, at best, tone deaf to the needs of the black community. And that's just not true.

perverse propaganda purposes. It's shameful to use her photo in that way.

There is no correlation between your post and the OP whatsoever.

The OP is suggesting black people lack agency. Malcolm X must be rolling over in his grave for you to enlist him in your calumny.

eom

Exponentially more tired I presume


Love ya,


DSB

Gotta be the last day.

Much love,
Bravenak the Queen Bee

Bernie Sanders!"

But somehow according to these people, YOU are the one politicizing those black people's deaths!

Did I SERIOUSLY just read this shit here?

What is the intervening event?

But not caring about something or thinking it's "nice" in an abstract way becomes all too different once this same group has the nerve to actually demand that your guy who is running for president of the FUCKING NATION actually address their issues.

Then it's not so "abstract" anymore, huh? Suddenly this group you really didn't give two shits about becomes Public Enemy Number One. And it doesn't matter how revolting, bigoted or horrible you make yourself look in the process, these people MUST be discredited and their cause MUST be trampled in the mud, no matter that their issues are THE TOP PRIORITIES for the party that your guy wants to be the candidate for president for.

And let's trash these people, accuse them of being stupid, of being Republicans, accuse them of whatever mindless bullshit we can think of all while complaining that OUR GUY is the one being swiftboated. I've said it before, these people have lost their fucking minds.

It has NOTHING to do with the "Bernie doesn't care about minorities" meme being promoted.
Or the wholesale smearing of Sanders' supporters.

And I say again, you know that.
You know what you're doing.

And it's WRONG.
It's NOT HELPFUL. It's intended to inflame.

Please stop.

The title of this thread:










http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465196

You never question it. Never. You promote it.

If you have a problem with the way these right wing bastards distort #blacklivesmatter, turning it into a purely partisan witch hunt against Sanders with their fucking MEME, you should be tearing these right wing bastards a new one, not piling on Bernie Sanders and supporters along with them.

Have a nice evening.

You are a leader. So I ask you to stop and think.

This is the epitome of a witch-hunt, and Bernie Sanders does not deserve it. Hillary Clinton can't possibly benefit by it.

Nor does the very real problem of systemic racism in the USA deserve it.

Look at DU! Just look at it! It's so toxic, nothing can live!
I've never seen the like of it, and this is between people ostensibly of the same political party?
Between people who were friends yesterday and hope to be friends tomorrow? To actually VOTE for the candidate chosen?

It's so bad, Donald Trump could walk into this situation on DU, and win.
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Look, I'm Canadian. So you don't have to pay any attention to me. My concern is that the US elect an admin that's a little bit more reasonable about the military conquest of the world, the ME, SA, and other places where I think diplomacy and good works would do a lot more good, in the long run, than military coups etc. Than continuing the status quo. And I want to protect Canada's universal health care and pharmacare legislation from attacks from free trade type agreements signed by right-wing gov'ts (Harper's, now) - so I want the US to adopt some of these GOOD and, yes, "socialist" policies, so US citizens can experience it and have a clue what it's about. Because believe me, now that we've experienced it no political party in Canada is viable if it openly attacks universal health care, for one. So none do. For those and other reasons I tend to align with Sanders (warts and all, though I don't think he has a chance of winning). I think the existence of community health care clinics, staffed by locals continuously inventing reach out programs, makes for good well-balanced communities. It DOES cut into problems associated with endemic racism. It also cuts into problems associated with distrust of the poor in general since it gives even the homeless an opening into the larger community.

Bernie Sanders isn't the cause racism in the USA, nor as far as I can tell does Bernie Sanders contribute to racism in the USA. Twisting #blacklivesmatter into a weapon to attack Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters on DU is wrong.

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Now, I'm done with DU.

You have made DU too toxic for me.

Of course he cares, his record proves it.
It's just that he hasn't attended enough events to specifically reach out to Minority voters during this campaign. It would help his campaign if he attended large events hosted by Black or Hispanic leaders. I hope he does this soon.

Btw, I'm not a troll. I feel I gotta make that clear now because I was Blockrd from the Bernie Sanders group for disagreeing a Thread Host who claimed that Bernie is "doing just fine with minorities". I simply told them to link me to an article or poll that shows this. Next thing I know, Blocked.

I'm a new member and that Block was disappointing. Kinda seemed like the host was offended by my reply for challenging his/ her assumption and rather than respond they decided to just Block me. I hope most members are not like that.

They might have picked up a whiff of something and ran with it, but I seriously don't think they would have the capability to do that nor do I think BLM would be watching FOX news and say "Hey you know what we should go protest at Net Roots." It's just not going to happen no matter what the time line is. So, just stop this looks like tinfoil territory. We should be trying to reach out to BLM and this doesn't help. They have valid concerns and they aren't just doing what they are doing to hurt people's feelings.

Good find, I hadn't seen it, and the more we can get to the roots of why this is happening, why the corporatists are given a free pass while the socialist outsider is attacked, the more we'll understand what we're up against.

I would look more at the monied interests in our own party, not just the RW. Got nothing to back it up though, just circumstances.

I care deeply about the situation blacks in this country are up against, and the candidate I support, Bernie Sanders, also cares deeply about it, and will actually walk the walk against the powerful forces that favor incarceration, police states, "tough on crime" policies designed to give allow selective enforcement.

If black people can't figure this out, they will be sorely disappointed by the crumbs handed out to them by the corporate wing of the party.

They need you to enlighten them as to what is in their best interests, which can only be solved by supporting someone who voted for the 1993 Crime bills? https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/20/crime#.VbGHkbNVikp

How does he get a pass when he helped make it law?

Who exactly is running on tough on crime policies? No one on the Democratic side that I've seen. Not O'Malley, not Clinton.

I think black people can figure out their own interests just fine. They aren't so ignorant as to be led around by the RW or people on the so-called left who treat them as lacking in political acumen.
Black folks on twitter have made clear that they do not see anyone who denounces Black Lives Matter, the most powerful and least coopted movement currently operating in the US as a RW corporatist plot is as allies, quite the opposite. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23earnthisdamnvoteorlose&src=typd They also intend to use their voting power to compel candidates to speak to issues they care about. AA members of this board have asked similar questions, and they have been denounced as part of a RW conspiracy for doing so, equated with "Lee Atwater." Who on their side does such a thing?

I think a number of Sanders supporters have pretty much assured that he will not be getting support of many African Americans through their continual insults of Black Lives Matters over social media. If you decide you should actually care what any of them think, read the Twitter link above.

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they can take their chances if they like with the corporatist wing of the party, and no it is not my job to enlighten them.

Personally I'm certain they will get more of the same with Hillary or the Republicans. There are some differences, minor in degree, between what they will get from Hillary (pretty much what they are getting now under Obama), and what they will get under Republicans.

Bernie is the advocate for actual reforms that will help them. It's up to the voters to see through the marketing to the substance. I wonder what they think Hillary will do for them, take on the police state this country has become? That is ludicrous, nobody would believe that.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251471268

Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton
Lee Fang - TheIntercept
July 23 2015, 10:49 a.m.

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As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton. Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.

She'l have a diverse-looking staff to showcase her minority listening skills, and she'll be serving interests such as the private prison industry when she works on policy. Count on it, that's the reality of who she is.

I wish it wasn't so. I would be delighted to see a woman president. I like Barbara Lee, very much, and since my state was safe for Obama, I voted for Jill Stein last election for POTUS. I was hoping for Warren before I gave up on her running this time. But policy matters, and Hillary is not going to be representing people of color, or even my white male self, she'll be representing the megadonors, their police state, their resource wars, and their endless globe trotting for the poorest, most oppressed labor pools on the planet to do the work of the formerly American companies that have now turned their backs on all of us.

Nor is there any surprise at who keeps pushing this shit here and now.

This IS what they are. Dirty tricks campaigners and liars.

May 27, 2015.

Everyone synchronized their Mickey Mouse watches, translated the secret messages using their Captain Midnight decoder rings, drank some Ovaltine, and went after Bernie Sanders with a vengeance heretofore unknown to man.

I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories on DU over the years - but THIS one is, hands down, absolutely the batshit-craziest one yet!

In fact, I think it rates at least