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House GOPer Compares Health Care Ruling To 9/11
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) reportedly compared the Supreme Court decision upholding President Obamas health care law to the September 11 attacks at a closed door GOP meeting on Thursday, several sources tell Politico.
He immediately apologized.
My remarks at the Republican Conference following the Supreme Court decision were thoughtless. I certainly did not intend to minimize any tragedy our nation has faced and I apologize, Pence said in a statement to POLITICO.
Pence is the Republican nominee for the governor of Indiana.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,843 posts)I'd be PPR'd and rightfully so.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,464 posts)n/t
DinahMoeHum
(21,843 posts)(For those of you who were in the armed services, I humbly apologize for the use of the Signal Corps. But I think you get it.)
sakabatou
(42,207 posts)Turbineguy
(37,427 posts)Well, he is a republican, so that's to be expected.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Each and every one of these people want their being on the wrong side of history recorded as being hysterical in more ways than one.
mwooldri
(10,305 posts)Yes it is a crass comparison. Yes he is wrong to have said that. But it lets us know what his mindset is.
It may have been stated by a guy who I have not much respect for these days but yep there are two Americas.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)Remember, 3,000+ people died that day.
Because the SCOTUS opened up a can of 'act right', people are no longer going to die because your paymasters in the insurance industry can no longer toss them out when they need health coverage most--when they're sick and vulnerable.
For you to form your mouth and draw breath to utter that disgraceful comment shows the very blackness of your soul and the breathtaking lack of xtian bearing and charity you SHOULD at least act like you have, considering where you work and by whose permission you are working there.
clang1
(884 posts)HEALTHCARE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11. PERIOD.
Propaganda techniques
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques
Big Lie The repeated articulation of a complex of events that justify subsequent action. The descriptions of these events have elements of truth, and the "big lie" generalizations merge and eventually supplant the public's accurate perception of the underlying events. After World War I the German Stab in the back explanation of the cause of their defeat became a justification for Nazi re-militarization and revanchist aggression.
Disinformation The creation or deletion of information from public records, in the purpose of making a false record of an event or the actions of a person or organization, including outright forgery of photographs, motion pictures, broadcasts, and sound recordings as well as printed documents.
Labeling A Euphemism is used when the propagandist attempts to increase the perceived quality, credibility, or credence of a particular ideal. A Dysphemism is used when the intent of the propagandist is to discredit, diminish the perceived quality, or hurt the perceived righteousness of the Mark. By creating a 'label' or 'category' or 'faction' of a population, it is much easier to make an example of these larger bodies, because they can uplift or defame the Mark without actually incurring legal-defamation. Example: "Liberal" is a dysphamsim intended to diminish the perceived credibility of a particular Mark. By taking a displeasing argument presented by a Mark, the propagandist can quote that person, and then attack 'liberals' in an attempt to both (1) create a political battle-ax of unaccountable aggression and (2) diminish the quality of the Mark. If the propagandist uses the label on too-many perceivably credible individuals, muddying up the word can be done by broadcasting bad-examples of 'liberals' into the media. Labeling can be thought of as a sub-set of Guilt by association, another Logical Fallacy. [3]
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Theater of the OUTRAGEOUS is all this is...Just like bad Propaganda usually is..This is Deception... Uneducated people WILL Believe this...THAT IS FACT. AND It is WRONG to EVEN SAY THIS.
Peaople should call it what it is and know to recognize it. In NEARLY ANY other country in the World, a Politican that does not understand 9-11 has NOTHING to do with HEALTHCARE would no longer be in Politics. It is absurd. THIS SORT OF POLITIC IS NOT THE POLITIC OF GOOD DEMOCRACY. PERIOD. IT IS DESIGNED TO DECEIVE PEOPLE. NOTHING MORE. IT IS PROPAGANDA, NOT POLITICS. IT IS ALSO DISRESPECTFUL.....THINK ABOUT WHY SOMEONE WOULD EVEN SAY THIS AND WHAT HE IS SAYING.
SINCE WE DISCUSS HEALTHCARE
THIS IS ALSO A PART OF THE REASON WHY SOME PEOPLE IN AMERICA DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT METH IS NOT WORSE THAN POT.
IT IS DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION....PERIOD. IT IS DECEPTION. IT IS ALL PROPAGANDA. IT IS CORROSIVE TO THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THE COUNTRY, EVEN CORROSIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE OF WHAT IT MAKES PEOPLE THINK. IT IS PROPAGANDA. IT DECEIVES.
ANOTHER RESULT OF THIS IS THAT OTHERS IN THE WORLD THEN THINK THAT WE ARE ALL CRAZY WHEN THEY HERE THIS... WE ARE NOT...PERIOD. IT IS JUST MAYHEM OF THE MIND THAT COMES FROM THIS. SO THE WORLD SAYS AMERICANS MUST BE CRAZY. AND WE ARE NOT. PEOPLE ARE BEING DECEIVED. THIS IS ALL KNOWN FACT. BECAUSE THEY DO CALL US CRAZY, AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THIS. PEOPLE SAY SO. BECAUSE THEY SEE IT. PROPAGANDA OF DECEPTION.
NONE OF THIS IS FREE SPEECH EITHER..... EVEN THE OTHER SIDE SAYS FALSE INFORMATION IS NOT PROTECTED BY THE 1ST AMENDMENT.... PEOPLE HAD BETTER LOOK AT THE REASONS GIVEN BY THE OTHER SIDE....THEY SAY WHAT THEY DO NOT BECUASE THEY SUPPORT THE 1ST AMENDMENT, THEY SAY IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT HE WHO DEFINES TRUTH THEN SAYS WHAT IS FREE SPEECH OR NOT....PEOPLE HAD BETTER HEED THIS.
Meanwhile......The Progression continues....
clang1
(884 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:33 AM - Edit history (26)
The Wearing of Military Medals and Awards by People that have not EARNED them and FREE SPEECH.
Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor Act for military medals
Consider this then about Free Speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154449#post46
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154449 ENTIRE THREAD LINK
"Alito, in writing the dissent, said that "false statements of fact merit no First Amendment protection in their own right."
I am ASTOUNDED that He SAID this. So that means I NEED to THINK about what he is saying....I am Pretty Amazed.
WHAT I SEE THEN IS: WHO DEFINES WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT DEFINES FREE SPEECH.
ALITO JUST SAID THIS IN FACT. WHAT IS ALITO, AND WHAT DOES HE BELIEVE?
NOW I AM NO SUPREME COURT JUDGE, BUT I CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND ME IN THE WORLD WITH MY WITH OWN TWO EYES. AND I KNOW HOW THIS STUFF WORKS, SO DO OTHERS. WHO DEFINES WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT DEFINES FREE SPEECH. HE JUST SAID THAT. AND THIS IS WRONG.
WE ALL SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AND IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
I DONT NEED TO BE A JUDGE TO KNOW WHAT IS FREE SPEECH AND WHAT IS PROPAGANDA.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. It sort of makes sense to my why he would write this then. I can SEE with my own two Eyes what he is. So this is worrisome to me, and not surprising either. So now consider the names of who supports what.
The question as I see it, Who defines the Truth then? SMELL the FLOWERS.
Who are some of the people trying to re-write History right now? Consider that....As well consider who their friends are...Just consider what they DO. This real thought behind this opinion, in my judgement is: They are saying THEY define Truth.
They are trying to re-write History even, Use your own eyes to see...
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NOW CONSIDER THE PROPAGANDA.
Tyranny and Propaganda techniques
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=50477
PUT THE PICTURE TOGETHER PEOPLE. CONSIDER EVERYTHING. EVERY SINGLE THING. THINK OF ALL POSSIBILITIES.
EVERYTHING ALWAYS LEADS BACK TO WHAT IT TRULY IS. THAT IS THE WAY TRUTH WORKS AND IT IS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS NATURALLY.
ONLY MAN MAKES THIS NOT TRUE. --WHEN HE LIES ABOUT THIS WORLD. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF PROPAGANDA.
WHAT YOU THINK WILL NOT HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN. THEY ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE IT ALL HAPPEN. SEE IT.
AN OBVIOUS QUESTION THIS TO ASK IS: WHY LIKE NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD DO SO MANY AMERICANS NOT WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, PERIOD. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TOLD.. AND IS IN PART WHY NONE OF IT IS LOGICAL.
PEOPLE: WANT FREE HEALTH CARE
BUT WE ALL ALREADY KNOW THIS, EH. ALL THE SAME STUFF TO ME, IT IS THE SAME STUFF.
I SEE THE WAR UNDERWAY, AND EVERYTHING IS USED IN WAR.
THEY TRY TO STEAL YOUR VOTE. THINK ABOUT IT.
ALL OF IT.....THIS IS HOW THINGS WORK WHEN REVOLUTION IS UNDERWAY.
PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
WITH PROPAGANDA AND LIES, EVERYTHING LINKS BACK TOGETHER. IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT DOES NOT LEAD TO TRUTH. THAT IS NOT ITS PURPOSE.
Meanwhile....The Progression continues...
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)raining down from the towers and envisioned them as 1000 dollar vouchers passed out to some future cancer patients to pay for 80,000 dollar hospital bills. It probably made him teary-eyed.
Bet he was thinking "ah, the money I could have jacked out of the desperate families."
He is THINKING that and more...
Meanwhile.....The Progression continues....
Crunchy Frog
(26,724 posts)cgnick
(59 posts)I'm shocked that a republican would actually take back his incendiary comments. Glad he realized his level of extremism was out of line.
Kablooie
(18,648 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)I live in Indiana so we get to deal with this idiot who is running for Governor.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)and wearing a dazed look on his face as the decision came down?
firenewt
(298 posts)thinks will fly with the right wingers who eat his shit up. Unfortunately, he is what the TP/GOP in my state consider a rising "star". He is cut from the same cloth as Mitch Daniels only Daniels is smarter. I no longer have any hope Indiana can be rescued - we are a deep south state stuck in the middle of the midwest and seemingly proud of it. It has gotten so bad many Democrats don't even bother to run for office. Sad....................
47of74
(18,470 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)for respiratory and other problems that later plagued some of them without health care