2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWould Mitt Romney be America's first 'Non-Christian' President?
I don't care if Mormonism is canonical Christian or not, nor, quite frankly, what it is.
But, the word is out, from both sides, that Romney's faith is off-limits
(We don't want to encourage bigotry).
WTF !!!
Obama's religion was sliced and diced, stewed and screwed, pillared to the post and ~25% still believe he is a muslim.
So why, in God's name is Mitt Romney faith, a church in which he has held high office, be off the table?
Don't talk about religion?
If Obama was a muslim, or buddhist, or hindu, or scientologist, would TJAT be off the table?
But because Mitt is a Republican Mormon, don't go there. It's bigotry.
If you want bigotry, try Prop. 8.
BTW. Yes I know Thomas Jefferson was Deist, not a canonical Christian, so the answer is no.
underpants
(183,046 posts)as were most of the founding fathers. YEs technically Christian but more a product of their times having seen what church involvement at the top of government leadership (England, Spain, etc.) can lead to.
no_hypocrisy
(46,312 posts)He was a Unitarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howard_Taft
rurallib
(62,483 posts)ncteechur
(3,071 posts)brewens
(13,671 posts)are cults. It doesn't make any difference to me that your cult eventually grew large enough to be considered a main stream religion. They all started out as cults.
At one time there were far fewer Christians than there are Mormons today.
denem
(11,045 posts)What I said was acres of commentary were devoted of Obama's religion, but this time it's don't go there.
brewens
(13,671 posts)careful about.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It certainly wasn't for Kennedy nor Obama. Nixon was a Quaker. The Mormon Church backed Prop 8, therefore it is fair game to ask Romney if he too backed Prop 8.
My personal opinion is I do not like Mormons, nor snotty rich people, so he has three strikes against him in my book.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The GOP establishment knows that its fundie base thinks that THEY are the only REAL Christians.
Catholics barely qualify, and Mormonism is a cult.
But the GOP leadership does its best to stick to the word "Christian" as if all flavors were the same, so that all of the flavors vote as a single block.
The best way to deal with this is to keep bringing up how the GOP likes to claim that Obama is a scary Muslim and not a Christian .... and ask them to take a position on that ... and then pivot to Mitt's religion. Worst case you take away the "Obama isn't a Christian" attacks ... best case, the fundies get discouraged because there are 2 non-Christians runniing and they stay home.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,461 posts)Response to denem (Original post)
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think
(11,641 posts)no redeeming value
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Boombaby
(139 posts)Now that's a campaign I could really pour my soul into!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Boombaby
(139 posts)is that he spells it with just one "o".
whistler162
(11,155 posts)ingac70
(7,947 posts)tons of Republican voting evangelicals 'round here in TN, so I am going to sing a song about Mormonism.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)It's in the Constitution. Mitt's religion should be off-limits, and everyone on our side should re-double the effort to keep it off-limits, esp. because of how vicious the right was in demonizing Obama's supposed Muslimism. The real Constitutionalists, that would be us, need to be consistent about this religious test mania. Whenever asked about whether or not we would vote for or against someone because of his or her religion, we should always say: There is no religious test for public office in the U.S.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...have we?
Did nobody else notice that typo in OP title?
Sorry... I come from a family of editors.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)he was still teaching sunday school a few years ago. he is one of the few who actually practices what he believes in.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)i never fully realized how much the baptists hated the mormon church in 1800`s illinois. i wonder if the present day baptists still hate or dislike the mormon church.
i don`t think this will come to the level of the kennedy problem but who knows what the fundamentalist baptists will do...
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)religious beliefs.
I gleefully encourage his concern.
msongs
(67,504 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)And why should one be more trustworthy than the other? If we accept the basic idea of JC's existence and nature, surely it would be impossible to limit what he could and could not do, and all we have are competing claims about what he chose to do, both using his imprimatur as provenance.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Ebenezer Baptist itself, and he did too, the RW would fault his religion.
Because we all know it's REALLY just code for him being one of them uppity n----rs.
CanonRay
(14,146 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)Morman isn't the problem.
Romney is an 'Upper Crust' ichet who has no idea of the real world. That is the problem.
I say it again. Romney has less in common with you or I than we have with ducks!
libodem
(19,288 posts)Would fly. Mormons' do believe themselves to be Christians, BTW.
downwardly_mobile
(137 posts)As to Jefferson, he may have been a Deist, but I'm sure he was baptized and raised protestant (Anglican, I'm guessing) and I don't think he ever formally renounced his Christianity.
Mormonism is not just a form or sect or denomination of Christianity: it's a whole new religion based on a Christian groundwork. For just one thing, they reject the Trinity and they reject the Nicene Creed -
That's a pretty fundamental, bedrock start. That's even before all the Jesus-came-to-America, and or "becoming Gods" thing and or Jesus and Satan being brothers.
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Here's the Nicene Creed as a reminder. Pretty much everyone in Christianity, Catholic and Protestant, buys it:
I believe in one God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth,
And of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God,
Begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
Very God of very God,
Begotten, not made,
Being of one substance with the Father,
By whom all things were made;
Who for us men, and for our salvation came down from heaven,
And was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary,
And was made man,
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered and was buried,
And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures,
And ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead:
Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost,
The Lord and giver of life,
Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son,
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,
Who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one Catholick and Apostolick Church.
I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
And I look for the Resurrection of the dead,
And the life of the world to come.
denem
(11,045 posts)The Evangelical maxim "Jesus is Lord" makes no sense without that.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)The early church disputes were over whether Jesus had the same or only similar substance to his Dad. "Homoousios" and "homoiousios" in Greek. The letter i - iota in Greek - being the small difference with a big impact.
Bombtrack
(9,523 posts)The facts are penetrating the ether. It'll take care of itself.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)I say, we need to talk about his religion. The right never takes religion off the table. Not only do they like to talk religion, they have been lying about President Obama's faith for years.
I want the red meat, right wing, Southern Baptist voters and other denominations to know about Mitt and his Mormonism. These are the people who actually didn't vote for Jack Kennedy because he was a Catholic. What would they think about a Mormon? How could people who demonize Catholics and even other protestant denominations, vote for a Mormon over an evangelical protestant?
Showrunner
(23 posts)Mitt the Magnanimous...would be the nation's first Android President. Hurry, Hurry, Hurry...This 3-Ringer Ain't Done Yet! Thoughts at 3 A.M. http://thoughtsatthreeam.blogspot.com/?spref=tw