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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:51 PM Feb 2014

I thought I'd re-post this here ...

Just an observation:

There have appeared several OPs about Woody Allen that touch on believing/not believing his accuser. The, all to predictable, push back is all about Due Process and the Presumption of Innocence. As one DUer framed it:


One can refuse to accept the accuser's claims as fact without defending Allen.

It's not about him. To fail to accept the accusations as truth is not defending him.

It's not about her. To fail to accept the accusations as truth is not to claim she's lying.



Or consider another's take:


Everyone is free to think Allen is guilty or not. The Constitution of the United States gives Allen the right to be tried in front of a jury of his peers. It is exactly because of emotional cases like this that we have our right to a trial by jury.


This is not to call out these DUers (as their comments are fairly representative of a segment of DU); but rather to note the difference in treatment of alleged sex offenders, where they are given the benefit of the doubt, compared to the banksters, where apparently we just skip the alleged part.

Or further, the treatment of the alleged victims of the abuse, who are to be disbelieved, or at a minimum, closely observed in case they are making a false, or unprovable, claim. This places the victim of one unproved crime on the same footing as the perpetrator of another unproved crime.

Just my observation.

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I thought I'd re-post this here ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 OP
I gave you a rec out there JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #1
True on all counts Warpy Feb 2014 #2
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #3
Please note I don't disbelieve the whole story Warpy Feb 2014 #5
Yeah, I get that. I was referring to others who've seemingly jumped to Allen's defense just as nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #6
And I'll rec it again! Squinch Feb 2014 #4

JustAnotherGen

(32,025 posts)
1. I gave you a rec out there
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:57 PM
Feb 2014

Will give you a kick and rec back here. That's a fair observation. And I would like to know what is soooooo special about this "delicate flower" Allen . . .

Warpy

(111,437 posts)
2. True on all counts
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:01 PM
Feb 2014

The open letter itself was pretty confused. Had she been confusing Allen with her birth father or was the "daddy" the same man all the way through--Allen.

I honestly don't know what to think, the courts would be invaluable in sorting this out but the ridiculously short statute of limitations on child rape might have run out.

I'm not an Allen fan and I know how devastating child rape is. I just find the whole thing a little muddled so I'm reserving judgment.

Warpy

(111,437 posts)
5. Please note I don't disbelieve the whole story
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:35 PM
Feb 2014

I'm just confused over whether the victim is conflating two men together, only one of whom was the actual abuser.

The letter was oddly written, to say the least.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
6. Yeah, I get that. I was referring to others who've seemingly jumped to Allen's defense just as
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:56 PM
Feb 2014

they did Polanski's. I haven't "taken a side" in either case myself - other than feeling awful for the victims - but this insistence on denying the likelihood of guilt, doesn't seem to happen with any other type of crime.

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