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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:11 PM Jun 2012

Porning Politics: How Pornification is Making the (Political) World a Worse Place

In his recent Huffington Post piece, Mike Edison made his case for “How Sex Magazines Made the World a Better Place.” His conclusion? In addition to supposedly holding “pictures of naked ladies” in a “more sacred light” than does today’s internet porn, Edison asserted that magazines like Screw and Hustler were “ground zero for relentless freedom of speech in the form of tasteless comedy, brutal political satire, and, of course, naked ladies.” As an amateur First Amendment scholar, I’m sure that Edison is aware that another group that has benefitted from key freedom of speech court decisions is the Ku Klux Klan, but I doubt that Edison would argue that they, therefore, “made the world a better place.” Indeed, it’s possible to be an unabashed supporter of free speech and still question the cultural value of magazines that mainstream the sexual objectification and victimization of women. Of course, people have been debating whether or not pornography has deleterious effects on society for decades, and women who identify as “feminist” and “pro-woman” often come down on opposite sides of the issue. What this debate has thus far ignored, however, is the pornification of U.S. political culture, where women’s images are often hijacked for prurient purposes, further degrading political dialogue.

This trend emerged forcefully during the 2008 primary and general election campaign cycles, at a time when women were making historic political gains. (Want all the gory details? The full version of the study is available here.) Hillary Clinton was the first woman to be a major-party frontrunner for the presidential nomination, but she was also repeatedly called a term that “rhymes with blunt”:





Sarah Palin was the first woman to be a Republican vice-presidential nominee, but shortly after being attached to the McCain ticket, Palin became the MILF next door:





Perhaps the worst offender of 2008 (and the one that employed imagistic strategies closest to those employed in porn magazines) is the “Declare Yourself” get-out-the-vote campaign. Its “public service ads,” aimed at the 18-25 year old voter, use a “torture porn” aesthetic to convince ostensibly disengaged citizens that when they fail to vote, they limit their own political agency:





You don’t have to look far, however, to find persistent pornification of political women in 2011. Elizabeth Warren was heckled as a “socialist whore” at one of her campaign events. When Sarah Palin failed to confirm or deny her intention to run for president in 2012, Meghan McCain derided her as a “tease.” Janice Hahn, a candidate for California’s 36th congressional district, was lampooned in an attack ad that the conservative Daily Caller describes both as “the most racist, fear-mongering, sexist sing-a-long the political world may ever see,” and as “horribly hilarious.” In the video, titled “Give Us Your Cash, B—ch,” Hahn is cast as a pole-dancing “ho” who funnels funds to menacing gang bangers.





http://www.thenewagenda.net/2011/12/14/porning-politics-how-pornification-is-making-the-political-world/

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Porning Politics: How Pornification is Making the (Political) World a Worse Place (Original Post) seabeyond Jun 2012 OP
You know something thats funny Drale Jun 2012 #1
dontcha know all the strippers are phd bound with cushy, plush lives and ya seabeyond Jun 2012 #2
+100 whathehell Jun 2012 #4
It's not only not funny.. whathehell Jun 2012 #3
Is There Any Reason You Would Doubt This Account? On the Road Jun 2012 #8
It has precisely zero to do with the OP. MadrasT Jun 2012 #9
Thank you! whathehell Jun 2012 #11
Yes, and I believe I explained myself nicely whathehell Jun 2012 #10
You know something that's funny? MadrasT Jun 2012 #5
except what is a woman gonna say. i hate the job, you men are creeps, i need the money and the pimp seabeyond Jun 2012 #7
Very good point. yardwork Jun 2012 #12
It's wonderful that you found a stripper with a heart of gold. yardwork Jun 2012 #13
Not to pile on, but just take a moment to consider... redqueen Jun 2012 #14
Those "Declare Yourself" ads are deplorable. n/t MadrasT Jun 2012 #6
yes they are dana_b Jun 2012 #15
I locked the post in Meta ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #16
it is a form of harrassment and done in dishonesty without any redeeming intent. seabeyond Jun 2012 #17
it's pretty crazy ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #19
intentionally? yes, intentionally. seabeyond Jun 2012 #21
isn't that ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #22
yes. next question seabeyond Jun 2012 #23
! ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #25
oh, and welcome to the new and improved du3. lol. hence the groups seabeyond Jun 2012 #24
well thanks ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #26
it takes a lot of huts to make a village ... seabeyond Jun 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #30
I'm a guest ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #33
Please ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #34
If one pays attention, MadrasT Jun 2012 #18
unnerstood ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #29
Wow ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #31

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. You know something thats funny
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jun 2012

I've hear people bitching and moaning about how strippers are being used and such, but the one time I went to a strip club with my friends I ended up having a deep conversation about the environment with one of the girls. She was very intelligent and was stripping because she loved to dance, didn't care about people seeing her naked and made a huge amount of money. Yet one of the the stupidest people in history, Sarah "You Betcha" Palin, could have been Vice President and no one blinks an eye. Sorry about the mini rant.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. dontcha know all the strippers are phd bound with cushy, plush lives and ya
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jun 2012

there were more than a few blink of the eyes thinking palin would be vp. i think that is the largest factor in mccain losing. my father has never voted dem in his life. he voted obama. because of palin.

edit to add... lol, thanks for your rant. there was mine.

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
3. It's not only not funny..
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jun 2012

It's not true.

"She was very intelligent and she was stripping because she loved to dance.."

Riiiight, because slithering around near-naked with men sticking bucks in your

bra expresses a simple love of The Dance.

"Yet one of the the stupidest people in history, Sarah "You Betcha" Palin, could have been Vice President and

no one blinks an eye".

No one "blinks an eye"?....HUH?...Where have you been hanging out?

If you want to support the exploitation of women with "intelligence" but questionable self-esteem,

go ahead, but please don't try and act as if it's something else.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
8. Is There Any Reason You Would Doubt This Account?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jun 2012

"She was very intelligent and she was stripping because she loved to dance.."

I have talked with a number of women who have been strippers, and they're all over the map. I dated one for a while. Of course it does not represent all strippers, but it should serve to break the stereotype as I think it was supposed to do.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
9. It has precisely zero to do with the OP.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 01:07 PM
Jun 2012

It is a tired derailing tactic and that shit doesn't play in this group.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
5. You know something that's funny?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jun 2012
Somebody always has to jump in with "but but but hey I know about an EXCEPTION that proves that NOT ALL STRIPPERS (prostitutes, porn actresses) ARE USED AND SUCH (so stop your bitching and moaning because I FOUND AN EXCEPTION)."

Always.

Every. Single. Time.

And I'm not sorry about my mini rant.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. except what is a woman gonna say. i hate the job, you men are creeps, i need the money and the pimp
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jun 2012

owner takes most of it for me out her taking crap from you all....

now, how about a tip.

i mean really.

it is the desperate need of men to feel that really... this is what the woman is all about and really, there is no exploitation. cause if they have to see the reality, well, what would that make them.

yardwork

(61,813 posts)
12. Very good point.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jun 2012

What would people expect the stripper to say. And if being a stripper is such a terrific career choice, why aren't women lining up to audition.

yardwork

(61,813 posts)
13. It's wonderful that you found a stripper with a heart of gold.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jun 2012

You seem surprised that she was intelligent and that she said that she enjoyed being a stripper. Did you expect her to say that she hated being a stripper? Even if this were true, would you expect her to tell a customer that? Think about it.

When you go to a bar, do you expect the cocktail waitress in the short skirt and high heels to tell you that her feet are killing her, or do you expect her to smile and tell you that she's having a wonderful evening at the job she loves?

These kinds of jobs carry an expectation of certain kinds of behavior with them. The job description includes flirting with the customers and reassuring the customers that they are in the right place. Does any strip joint advertise itself as a sleazy place where women are exploited? Don't they all claim to be high class places that serve excellent food and employ beautiful talented women who love to entertain men?

Think about the expectations and you will begin to see why there is no way out for these women. They can't simply tell their customers that they hate their jobs, that they're being exploited, that the manager demands blow jobs from them between shows, that they would love to have a better job but they need to support their kids and minimum wage isn't going to do it.

redqueen

(115,108 posts)
14. Not to pile on, but just take a moment to consider...
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:39 AM
Jun 2012

most of the 'dancers' there would lower their chances of making the most in tips if they shared their woes with the 'clients' (that they might be working there due to a dependency on drugs or alcohol, or because their abusive boyfriends like not working and living off their girlfriend's income, or whatever else the 'clients' would rather not know).

Also, please, at least in this group, please use the word "women" when referring to women.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
15. yes they are
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jun 2012

I'm not a 18-25 y.o. so I don't remember them but that looks like Jessica Alba. She's a fairly good actress too - it's too bad that she didn't see the harm in them.

 

ManyShadesOf

(639 posts)
16. I locked the post in Meta
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jun 2012

I apologize to any who didn't appreciate the discussion.

By the time the thread got huge, latecomers didn't understand what the question was - not just crossposting, but intention, frequency, targeting certain Groups, harassment, abuse, muddying the waters.

One of the last posts was interesting:

"It's not as though a second thread in a separate group interferes with the first."

Sometimes it does. Sometimes it's intended to. Sometimes the interference is the point. Interfering with the thread, the topic, the Group, the members, the purpose of the Group. Particularly after being Blocked.

It's cultural.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. it is a form of harrassment and done in dishonesty without any redeeming intent.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:15 PM
Jun 2012

that is clear. to expect anyone to be balanced when discussing this forum, isn't going to happen. and ONLY a newbie would not know this. so you were expecting people to fairly look at what you provided in the OP and it wasn't going to happen. that was your error. that is why we try to stay out of that forum.

and that is also the affirmation that you step in without knowing what the fuck is really going on as you were repeatedly accused as being a sock. those accusing were not really thinking it thru.

 

ManyShadesOf

(639 posts)
19. it's pretty crazy
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:24 PM
Jun 2012

it makes the hostility worse, intentionally?

The take on your OP article could not have been more reactionary. It was presented to inflame.

This piece looks like a good one to help people (literally) see what the effects are. If they have eyes to see.

Apparently the knee jerk lines are already drawn over "porn" anything.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. intentionally? yes, intentionally.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jun 2012

and you are right. you will see that. total dismissal of the actual topic to redirect and not have to deal with any issue.

scorn, mock, ridicule, shame.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. yes. next question
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jun 2012

isnt that what the right wing men do? yes. isnt that what misogynist men do? yes. lol. larry flynt, stick a dick in the womans mouth to shut her up, and they will throw flynt on their shoulders and cheer.

and there you go.

it was really a hoot to watch the outrage with rush calling out fluke as we watch SOME of our progressive feminist men run around the board doing exactly that. yes.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
27. it takes a lot of huts to make a village ...
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jun 2012

i LOVE this. excellent. exactly. some huts are on the outskirts of town for good reasons, lol. very good.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #27)

Response to seabeyond (Reply #17)

Response to ManyShadesOf (Reply #32)

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
18. If one pays attention,
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
Jun 2012

It is obvious that one poster in particular trolls this group for things to pluck out to take to another group for the sole purpose of sarcastically mocking.

It is also easy to guess why.

Just doesn't bother me that much. It's an interesting thing to observe and it makes me curious but not upset.

Dragging us into Meta is not cool. We have like minded people hanging in their own groups and have had enough damn drama already.

If that group wants to be the DU version of frat boys at Hooters at Happy Hour, meh, I don't care.

Just don't take away their porn. Or video games.

Response to ManyShadesOf (Reply #16)

 

ManyShadesOf

(639 posts)
31. Wow
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jun 2012

Ouch. The apology in this thread applies to all. And it's not "my" fucking pointless meta drama. Thank you.

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